why isn't there a version of kde included in the arch 0.7 iso and you have to download it by yourself...? don't get it.
Just as a more general point, it's worth noting also, that Arch's "minimalism" is one of the factors which attracts some people to it - often individuals are tired of "bloated" 3 or 4 cd distros, even taking into account that you can usually do custom installs with these - the nice thing about Arch is the you can start with a very minimal system and then have the ease and flexibility to add your own packages as you choose via pacman.
]]>Bloating is user's responsibility, not Arch's.
And if you can't use pacman, then why you want Arch on the first place.
True that.
]]>And if you can't use pacman, then why you want Arch on the first place. A multi disk or DVD distribution will work better for your needs (no network, everything on disk).
]]>fdrebin wrote:why isn't there a version of kde included in the arch 0.7 iso and you have to download it by yourself...? don't get it.
'cause no one likes kde.
Hey I use KDE! I see nothing wrong with it, it might not be as fast as some other popular DE's around here, but I prefer intergration and some of their apps over speed. Hell, I still run an athlon-xp 2000(hopefully that will change soon, I'm looking into a Barton).
Back to the topic, I don't see a need to incorporate such a large suite of packages into the install cd. It requires too much space to fit onto a single cd and as pointed out, KDE is not everyone's favorite.
why isn't there a version of kde included in the arch 0.7 iso and you have to download it by yourself...? don't get it.
Probably because of space. If developers provide KDE, Gnome, XFCE, X, firefox, email applications, office suite, a second CD will be required.
]]>This is still on the cards and probably wont be happenin in the near future.
]]>why isn't there a version of kde included in the arch 0.7 iso and you have to download it by yourself...? don't get it.
'cause no one likes kde.
]]>Let me clearify that a bit.
If you have a look at older ISOs, there have been Gnome and KDE available
from it. Over the time these packages and group of packages for either KDE
and KDE grew a lot and eat up space of the CD. So first KDE was banned
from current, then Gnome to even up the weights and be fair. Finally, much
to my sadness also XFCE4 had been transfered to extra, but it's just fair.
Archlinux does not provide any desktop on the iso, since we can't provide
all of them and choose just one or two for the users always fail to satisfy the
people. So the iso ships some windowmanager and that's it.
-neri
]]>I have a fast computer, but I dislike KDE and Gnome... I'm glad I didn't have to download another 200Mb just to have one of them.
Exactly. I've tried both gnome and kde for about a month each and I find both increasingly annoying with each release.
Openbox3 is magical.
]]>A separate downloadable CD with KDE/Gnome on it wouldn't bother me, as long as I don't have to download it.
]]>but almost everyone uses kde or gnome i think
and there are still people that don't got a dsl-flatrate...
what about people who don't even use X - I use the console for maybe 40% of my day... the other 60 is spent in WMII, not KDE or Gnome...
]]>Regards,
-- Dr.U
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