Don't take this as a rant against archbang - it is a wonderful distro and I'm glad it is available - but it is so very far from being just arch + openbox. It is arch + openbox + a enourmous list of additional software. Much of that additional software is quite good in general terms - but much of it is very redundant: I don't need 3+ spreadsheet editors, just one that works well. I wouldn't want a menu that had half a dozen terminal emulators in a submenu. How many people use more than one terminal emulator (not more than one instance, more than one app)? I just want the one I use available.
]]>Installing everything yourself costs somewhat more time, but improves your knowledge of Linux substantially
And empowers you.
]]>I remember it helped me a lot when I was just getting started.
]]>I noticed that none of the Openbox menu items was working because I had to install all software I needed manually.
So besides the differences discussed already, Archbang also has chosen & installed all kinds of software for you.
Now I have to do that myself...
IMHO this blogpost is an excellent resource to choose some software to start with: http://willensky.blogspot.nl/2010/01/ho … linux.html and
of course this overview: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Co … plications
With menumaker (# mmaker -v OpenBox3) I was able to compile the Openbox menu from all the software on my PC.
Installing everything yourself costs somewhat more time, but improves your knowledge of Linux substantially
]]>pe7er, I found that instead of worrying about what packages to installed from the outset, it was better to let the system evolve with your need. For eg. one day I realized my graphics performance was not up to the mark, so I ended up downgrading xorg and installing catalyst. I have lost count of the times I had to tweak my vimrc to make it fit. Although, it was nothing major like going from one DE to another.
Hope this helps. Take the plunge and enjoy
Yes, it does. Thanks!
]]>The only difficulty for me was choosing which base & extra packages to install during the initial installation.
I decided to install only the recommended ones, and install everything else later on.
Always a wise choice...
Select Packages
Select Packages will let you select the packages you wish to install from the CD, USB or your NET mirror. First, you are prompted to select a bootloader package (the bootloader will be configured later on in the "Install Bootloader" stage). After this, you can select package groups from which you'd generally like to install packages, then fine-tune your coarse selection by (de)selecting individual packages from the groups you have chosen using the space bar. It is recommended that you install all the "base" packages, but not anything else at this point. The only exception to this rule is installing any packages you need for setting up Internet connectivity.
It's really not that hard...
]]>follow the wiki
I completely agree, even a relative noob like me was able to breeze through the install using the beginner's guide.
Then it took me two weeks to set up everything to my liking, but the end result was (is) worth it
pe7er, I found that instead of worrying about what packages to installed from the outset, it was better to let the system evolve with your need. For eg. one day I realized my graphics performance was not up to the mark, so I ended up downgrading xorg and installing catalyst. I have lost count of the times I had to tweak my vimrc to make it fit. Although, it was nothing major like going from one DE to another.
Hope this helps. Take the plunge and enjoy
]]>Installing Arch is not that difficult if you follow the wiki.I have always seen people post complaining about how Arch is such a pain to install.I read through the wiki and the beginners guide prior to installing to make sure which packages I will need.Sure others take longer to install the base but in the long run it is well worth it.Currently have Arch + XFCE4 installed and the beauty of Arch is that I am able to customize it to whatever I wan't if I decide to switch to Openbox,KDE,LXDE.
Yeah, installing Arch itself was not that hard.
The only difficulty for me was choosing which base & extra packages to install during the initial installation.
I decided to install only the recommended ones, and install everything else later on.
I used the wiki (+ some tutorials I found on the net) but had problems with
1. choosing which window manager to install
2. installing LXDE and Openbox. And I also tried Gnome, but didn't know what to do with d-bus etc.
So when I installed Archbang, I didn't have to install Openbox myself.
And I was able to configure the "widget" on my desktop (Conky) something I never did/used at my previous Linux versions Ubuntu & Debian.
But I will try Arch Linux (the pure version) again + install Openbox manually (probably in a Virtualbox first )
]]>pe7er, as you can see there are differences between the systems. And right now, people are fishing for answers for you. However, over time it becomes difficult to keep track of what Archbang devs are doing and how different an Archbang system is from Arch.
That was the primary reason we created a policy to only support Arch rather than give faulty advice to other distro users which may or may not boink their machines.
I post this here as this thread is a good example of why we have that policy.
Yes, thanks.
I was confused but I do understand now that there are more differences between Arch & Archbang then the Openbox window manager.
And why you have this policy at this forum.
Thank you all for my newly obtained knowledge... :-)
]]>mhh... I'd better invest some more time to find out how to install Openbox manually, so I can have a pure Arch Linux system as well... :-)
Thanks!
You won't be sorry. It's really not that hard.
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