Well, there are some cheap Sandy Bridge laptops (Sandy Bridge = successor of Ironlake), that aren't much more expensive than netbooks. So you get an out-of-order processor and reliable video decoding. But you lose the portability of a netbook.
You're right, I checked and there are relatively cheep sandy bridge i3 notebooks but the they are >15" in size, smaller ones are more pricey unfortunately. You need to look around. And about portability - thin and neat 11.6-12" notebook is way more comfortable then some bulky thick 10" netbooks.
]]>AMD still wins in raw CPU performance, even though Atom is hyper-threaded. APU is more like a real CPU - it's out-of-order architecture
Very true. Atom being in-order execution really blows.
Video decoding via UVD on Windows is flawless, I didn't have a chance to test it under Linux so you need to check this out (look at .:B:. response too)
Well, for me XBMC would be total overkill, I prefer a window that shows the video (or the video being fullscreen) and nothing more. mplayer-vaapi provides that, but .:B:. says vaapi is buggy on AMD, so that's a no go for me.
Even if it might actually work fine, that's still an uncertainty, and because of it I wouldn't go with AMD. Maybe that's just me though. Luckily I'm not in the market for a new netbook yet, I'll continue with my old Diamondville thingy (Atom N270 and GMA950 graphics, oh the crap-ness ) for a while longer.
Good choice would be "pure" Intel IGP because of Intel great Linux drivers but I'm not sure if there are any in netbooks segment right now(?)
There's Pineview, which is pure Intel. However it doesn't provide any hardware video decoding (the GMA3150 that's part of Pineview is basically a GMA950 moved into the CPU die). That's why I said to wait for ValleyView.
Yeah but Ironlake = Intel chip not re-branded PowerVR and it's nowhere near price tag of a 1225C
Well, there are some cheap Sandy Bridge laptops (Sandy Bridge = successor of Ironlake), that aren't much more expensive than netbooks. So you get an out-of-order processor and reliable video decoding. But you lose the portability of a netbook.
All in all, since there's no ValleyView yet, AMD is probably a better choice right now. It's just for me personally the AMD graphics situation is too uncertain.
]]>Gusar wrote:AMD APU is an option, but the thing is, you won't be gaming on a netbook anyway, so I'd value video decoding over opengl performance. And AMD isn't doing very stellar in this department.
AMD still wins in raw CPU performance, even though Atom is hyper-threaded. APU is more like a real CPU - it's out-of-order architecture, plus you get hardware virtualization. Video decoding via UVD on Windows is flawless, I didn't have a chance to test it under Linux so you need to check this out (look at .:B:. response too)
* N2600 vs E-450 or slightly faster E2-1800
So as far as it goes for hardware: APU is clear winner, you just need to digg around video decoding under Linux (but still your competitor is PowerVR which has bad fame under Linux). Good choice would be "pure" Intel IGP because of Intel great Linux drivers but I'm not sure if there are any in netbooks segment right now(?)
bwat47 wrote:If you're not doing any intense 3d stuff, I'd stick with intel graphics for a laptop/netbook. My ironlake laptop can output 1080p over hdmi just fine...I'm sure sandy or ivybridge would breeze through it, and you get excellent driver support.
Yeah but Ironlake = Intel chip not re-branded PowerVR and it's nowhere near price tag of a 1225C
To clarify, that is what I meant. Intel as in intel graphics, not that powervr crap For a laptop I'd generally recommend: Intel or AMD integrated graphics. Intel still has better drivers, but it also still has the "24" fps hardware bug when trying to output video at 23.976hz, so if thats an issue I'd recommend an amd apu.
]]>AMD APU is an option, but the thing is, you won't be gaming on a netbook anyway, so I'd value video decoding over opengl performance. And AMD isn't doing very stellar in this department.
AMD still wins in raw CPU performance, even though Atom is hyper-threaded. APU is more like a real CPU - it's out-of-order architecture, plus you get hardware virtualization. Video decoding via UVD on Windows is flawless, I didn't have a chance to test it under Linux so you need to check this out (look at .:B:. response too)
* N2600 vs E-450 or slightly faster E2-1800
So as far as it goes for hardware: APU is clear winner, you just need to digg around video decoding under Linux (but still your competitor is PowerVR which has bad fame under Linux). Good choice would be "pure" Intel IGP because of Intel great Linux drivers but I'm not sure if there are any in netbooks segment right now(?)
If you're not doing any intense 3d stuff, I'd stick with intel graphics for a laptop/netbook. My ironlake laptop can output 1080p over hdmi just fine...I'm sure sandy or ivybridge would breeze through it, and you get excellent driver support.
Yeah but Ironlake = Intel chip not re-branded PowerVR and it's nowhere near price tag of a 1225C
]]>AMD APU is an option, but the thing is, you won't be gaming on a netbook anyway, so I'd value video decoding over opengl performance. And AMD isn't doing very stellar in this department.
XvBA works quite nicely for hardware acceleration. In XBMC, that is. VA-API was still crappy and unstable last time I heard anything about it.
]]>AMD APU is an option, but the thing is, you won't be gaming on a netbook anyway, so I'd value video decoding over opengl performance. And AMD isn't doing very stellar in this department.
Basically, now is a really sucky time to be buying a netbook. Wait for ValleyView. That one will have proper Intel graphics (based on Ivy Bridge), with open-source drivers, reliable hardware video decoding, and everything. Too bad ValleyView won't be released until late this year/early next year.
]]>You can download the archive with PowerVR linux driver (cdv-gfx-drivers-1.0.1_bee.tar.bz2) directly from Intel's support site
(list drivers for DN2800MT motherboard and select linux).
There are also detailed instructions (in pdf) on how to integrate patches and compile the kernel for ubuntu and fedora.
The only disappointing thing - it is 32bit.
Have fun
Is that true?
]]>Perhaps you've heard of it, but Asus just recently launched a new netbook (1225C) with Ubuntu pre-installed. It's also one of the few that could play 1080p video (on external screen through HDMI-out) and one of the few that has USB 3.0. I've been looking to get a netbook lately and this one caught my eye. It's only available in Italy though (for Europe) so I scratched it off of my list, but now that I'm on holiday in Croatia and will pass Italy on my way home.....
There's just one thing I want to know before buying this device: how's the Cedar Trail support under Linux? I quickly Googled some but haven't found anything really convincing. Most of the results are from some time back so things could have changed by now. I don't come across public, free WiFi too often so it would be nice if you could tell me your experiences here and I can quickly read about the support as it is now without having to skim through Google and find confusing results.
By the way, mods, I think this is the right sub-forum, but if it's not; please move it. Also, if I'm not allowed to ask these kind of questions, dustbin it. If I am, then thanks in advance to everyone that answers!
Greetings from Plitvice, Croatia!
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