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#1 2004-09-23 17:48:20

rasat
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DLcd (Dev Live CD)

On request I am developing one Developer Live CD. Its ready and after testing I need to remove Eclipse Java Developer when not loading. NetBeans Java Developer works fine, so Eclipse will not be a problem except now there is plenty of space (100MB) to add other developer applications. Any suggestion?

Current content:

Web Development.
- Bluefish
- PHP
- Apache
- GphpEdit

Java Development.
- NetBeans
- j2re
- j2sdk
- jEdit
- jikes

C++ Development.
- Anjuta

Other Development.
- Perl
- Python
- Blassic
- YaBasic
- tcl
- tk

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#2 2004-09-23 17:55:10

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

vim, emacs, ruby, probably one of the smtp servers or both and other stuff that people commonly use along with apache/php


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#3 2004-09-23 19:13:40

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

a debugger would be nice too (gdb) and a frontend to it (ddd)

web-dev:
cssed
conglomerate
kdewebdev (if kdebase is available)

maybe some more editors (nedit, emacs, hexedit, manedit ...)


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#4 2004-09-23 19:36:08

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

Development libraries such as

Java: Java 3D, JavaMail, etc
C/C++: tons of devel libraries to choose from...
Python: all those modules?
Perl: ditto?

is sendmail available, for web development?

Personally, I would rather have a highly personalized developer's CD than a generic one like this... I would want my own vimrc, wmi configs, etc.  Perhaps a bare-bones devel CD with customization instructions would be helpful too?  I still think its an awesome idea though.

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#5 2004-09-23 20:53:16

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

web development:
mysql

other:
vim
emacs
mono (gtk#)
ruby
and as many packages (perl/python/c libs/c++ libs/etc) as can fit

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#6 2004-09-24 03:02:03

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

Dusty wrote:

C/C++: tons of devel libraries to choose from...

I have not used C/C++, what are the main packages? Also for Perl and Python?

Note:
Kdelibs based apps take too much space. To run MySQL no space in miniroot.

Dusty wrote:

Personally, I would rather have a highly personalized developer's CD than a generic one like this...

A customized CD will be the next project. This general CD is to test if its possible to use a live CD for continous work. If it does, then it will act as a demo and for general work.

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#7 2004-09-24 06:00:51

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

Sounds great!

I can't say much about C/C++ libs, becau se I don't know it either, except I did some work in OpenGL/Glut once... So OpenGL and Glut libs might be handy

As for Perl and python, try pacman -Ss perl and pacman -Ss python

The devs renamed most of the perl and python libs to conform to the standard language-libname name scheme. So you'll find which libs are available and can decide which are useful.

Dusty

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#8 2004-09-24 16:16:39

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

Thanks, all your suggested apps are good and run smoothly. One what is annoying is Mozilla Firefox - like having a monster among elfs  smile. Also the lightweight and speed of Fluxbox (and IceWM) makes Mozilla out of place. Any suggestion for a good and light browser?

For file manager I found Endeavour Mark II.

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#9 2004-09-24 18:20:23

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

One thing about web development is that you need to be able to test your site in multiple browsers... in the long run, you may have to release one developer CD for web devel (lots of browsers, PHP, mysql, etc), and another for general development. Then where do you fit Java, which can be used in both? :-D

I'm assuming that any web browser that uses gecko is too big? like Galeon, or Skipstone?

I don't know of any other fully featured but unbloated browsers...

IF it wasn't for web development stuff, lynx might be good enough.

Oh, another thing about web development -- it begs to have GIMP installed too. wink Oh, and maybe Jakarta tomcat...

I'm pretty sure its a good idea to separate the web development one from the general development now. Web development is a science all in itself!

I'm starting to get excited about this project. just imagining being able to develop at any workstation, yet in my own quirky environment...

I suggest writing a script of some sort that allows you to "build" a custom devel CD iso by selecting what libraries and packages you want installed, and then it automatically downloads them and creates the ISO. Further, it should allow you to specify custom config files (like a .vimrc, httpd.conf, .bashrc, etc) so that the environment is exactly what you want.

Next thing you know, you'll be setting up Arch Morphix. wink

Dusty

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#10 2004-09-24 19:20:39

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

rasat wrote:

Thanks, all your suggested apps are good and run smoothly. One what is annoying is Mozilla Firefox - like having a monster among elfs  smile. Also the lightweight and speed of Fluxbox (and IceWM) makes Mozilla out of place. Any suggestion for a good and light browser?

For file manager I found Endeavour Mark II.

There is Opera in staging.

EDIT: I just realize that opera depends on qt so it might be too big.  There is also dillo but it doesnt' have lots of feature.

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#11 2004-09-26 02:04:44

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

Version 0.1 is ready and uploadrd.... total 492MB.

Package list:
http://bliss-solutions.org/archlinux/de … ckage.list
Developer apps. list:
http://bliss-solutions.org/archlinux/devlivecd/dev.list
Screenshot:
http://bliss-solutions.org/archlinux/devlivecd/shot.jpg

Download:
http://bliss-solutions.org/archlinux/devlivecd/
Md5sum: 40cbbfa32d466d8ed2221681bee0e3e6 (dlcd-0.1.iso)

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#12 2004-09-26 08:47:45

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

I will give Arch-Morphix a go...  smile

Why Gnome ?


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#13 2004-09-28 16:40:04

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

Hello!!

I´m downloading your Dev-live-cd at the moemen.
My Question, becuse i´m trying to buld my own live-cd at the moment. Which filesystem do u use for compression??? All i have look for are just available for kernel 2.4.*!!
Thanks so far.

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#14 2004-09-28 17:10:56

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

light weight browser: dillo

dillo rocks, but keep in mind it is lightweight and if a page is not well-formed it doesn't even try to render it....

add lynks/links too

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#15 2004-09-28 18:53:16

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

Legout wrote:

Which filesystem do u use for compression???

zisofs
http://freshmeat.net/projects/zisofs-tools

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#16 2004-09-28 20:08:58

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

Can you snd me ur PKGBUILD for it??

I tried to build it, but it breaks. And after a search in the forum I found, that u had the same problem

http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php? … ght=zisofs

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#17 2004-09-28 20:21:39

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

I´m sorry  wink

I read the whole topic and edit my PKGBUILD

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#18 2004-09-29 03:27:05

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

Legout wrote:

Can you snd me ur PKGBUILD for it??

Here is a ready made package.
http://bliss-solutions.org/archlinux/pa … pkg.tar.gz

Example:

mkzftree /work/system/ /work/cd-project/system

/work/system --> directory where files get compressed
/work/cd-project/system --> directory of original files

To generate iso add option -z (don't forget the "." at the end of line).

mkisofs -z -o /work/CDimg/al-amlug-livecd-0.4.iso -R -V "AL-AMLUG Live CD" -T -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -A "Arch Linux pre-0.6 (AMLUG Live CD 0.4)" .

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#19 2004-09-29 09:44:26

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

Thank you for your fast help!!

I build my first live-cd like it is explained in here:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bui … 0live%20CD

But my the first live-cd, i build, is just for my own testing, how it wil work.
If i use zisofs, will it be possible to use the wiki to build it, just generate the iso-image with this command

mkisofs -z -o /work/CDimg/al-amlug-livecd-0.4.iso -R -V "AL-AMLUG Live CD" -T -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -A "Arch Linux pre-0.6 (AMLUG Live CD 0.4)" .

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#20 2004-10-02 13:48:54

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

This topic is split. Posts related to Arch Morphix (now Arch Live Tx - a live CD transmuter) are moved to:
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=7191

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#21 2004-10-03 16:41:42

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

I would like that the DEV live cd included

Tomcat and Mysql

Thanks

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#22 2004-10-03 17:45:27

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

Its not easy to include MySQL in a live CD because /var/lib/mysql/ requires read/write permission and takes lot of space. The miniroot freespace, running in RAM, is limited. The DLcd has 6MB freespace of total 23MB. The total is too much for a live CD. To run properly requires minimum 256MB RAM.

Hopefully with the comming Arch LiveTx transmuter pacakge I can increase the freespace (and also reduce the total), then MySQL will fit.

Tomcat I wanted to include.... I forgot it  :oops: ... will be in next version.

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#23 2004-10-03 19:58:48

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

A lot of developer stuff will need read/write style access, I'm thinking, even up to saving whatever program or website you are working on. Maybe we need to work out some sort of flexible way to transport read/write stuff too... You used a USB thumb drive (I'd never even heard of such a thing before...) in AMLUG, what other options might there be?

Dusty

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#24 2004-10-04 03:51:02

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Re: DLcd (Dev Live CD)

I read somewhere that USB thumb drive is to replace floppy disk. Most likely will once they come up with a bootable drive. For Window '98 users its also restricted when driver is needed but no problem with Linux (or XP and 2000).

There is no other way to save except in HD (or thumb drive). SuSE demo live CD does it automatuically somewhere in Window partition. Its a very small space to keep customized KDE configs and other. Thumb drive is best. Moreover the prices are dropping so everyone can effort (appx. US$ 15.00 for 64MB).

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#25 2004-10-04 05:30:37

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