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#1 2009-12-24 18:14:22

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[TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

This seems to break early kms for me (on my notebook), the machine just hangs when it should load the radeon module (and deps I guess) and enable/ configure the native screen resolution. I do have the radeon hook hack (otherwise I wouldn't have early kms anyway).

Booting with nomodeset works and everything else seems to work fine.

Any suggestions on how to enable early kms again?

Booting on my desktop pc with another older ati card doesn't seem to enable the late kms but doesn't hang.

Edit:
Corrected title.

Just tested to revert back to kernel26 2.6.32.1-1 and everything is working again.

Edit2:
Changed title

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#2 2009-12-24 23:08:21

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

Probably not useful to you but just in case ... If your problem is like I had then your computer is not frozen, after several minutes will continue booting the system. I "solved" the problem erasing module "radeon" from /etc/mkinitcpio.conf.


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#3 2009-12-25 12:38:51

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

I've got this problem too. But when I use "late KMS start" it is hanging (blank screen, seems like off) when radeon module should be loaded. So there is something broken. On 2.6.31.1 it was working great, then after update it stoped. Now I'm waiting for any clue to solve this problem, for now I'm just using nomodeset parameter in kernel boot line.

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#4 2009-12-25 15:17:33

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

I just downgraded to 2.6.31.1 .... it's not like it is out of [testing] anyway tongue
Just reporting something that can possibly scare some users if this happens when it is released in [core]


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#5 2009-12-25 15:24:16

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

as usual, using testing, means that you are subscribed to arch-dev-public or even arch-general. that is a know issue.
the solution is to add radeon in MODULES.


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#6 2009-12-25 15:55:38

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

Errm my bad ^_^;; I didn't subscribe yet but I did look in the mailing lists online, next step subscribe and test that solution smile

Thanks for the tip smile

Edit:
Well, after further testing I've noticed that kms does not work at all with 2.6.32.2-1, early start or late start don't work.
Omitting radeon everywhere still leads to a hang when modules are auto loaded.

If it matters the card I'm using is this one:
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 2400 [1002:94c9]

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#7 2009-12-25 19:11:07

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

Is there an approximate timetable as to when kernel 2.6.32 will go into core?

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#8 2009-12-26 06:39:10

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

wantilles wrote:

Is there an approximate timetable as to when kernel 2.6.32 will go into core?

As the devs/mods say everytime such a question is asked... when its ready.


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#9 2009-12-26 07:39:01

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

ngoonee wrote:

when its ready.

QFT.  That and we may all be on holiday tongue

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#10 2009-12-26 09:13:56

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

Holiday?! Damn it, get off your lazy asses and get to work! tongue


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#11 2009-12-27 15:33:09

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

I have similar problem with 2.6.32.2-2. Adding radeon module/hook with firmware, early start, late start, all don't work.

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M76 [Radeon Mobility HD 2600 Series]

$ zgrep RADEON_KMS /proc/config.gz
# CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS is not set

Why it's not set?

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#12 2009-12-27 15:35:18

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

Sorry, i forget dmesg: http://pastebin.org/69111

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#13 2009-12-27 18:47:25

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

Well ... I should mark this as something ... it's not solved but it's not like there is much anyone can do right now, ati+kms is just not ready for prime time yet.

On another note:

madgnu wrote:

$ zgrep RADEON_KMS /proc/config.gz
# CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS is not set

Why it's not set?

It is not set because it can cause a lot more trouble than the advantages it can bring for now. I think it is the best to do for now, otherwise I bet most people using KMS, the ones that explicitly configured things to use KMS or others with ati cards, may be greeted with a black screen of death, not pretty to see.

In my case the success rate with KMS is 50%, one older machine with an older card works fine, my notebook with a more recent card does not work with the latest kernel. For people still willing to try KMS it can be activated with radeon.modeset=1 in the kernel line I believe.


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#14 2009-12-28 03:55:21

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

ngoonee wrote:
wantilles wrote:

Is there an approximate timetable as to when kernel 2.6.32 will go into core?

As the devs/mods say everytime such a question is asked... when its ready.

And let me just say I'm really glad that Arch does proper testing before inflicting the latest kernel and its regressions (and there appears to be many with both 2.32 and 2.33) on the users... like most other major distroes do it. There aren't any killer features in either the most recent 2.33 RCs, or in the 2.32.x kernels. On the other hand, there are serious performance regressions in ext4 to the point that ext3 now outperforms ext4 in most of the tests (see Phoronix articles).

So just take your time, don't rush it, if you have 2.31.1 working with your hardware than you can wait. Some linux kernel releases are a must-haves, others are not, and some are downright crap. I wouldn't really mind Arch skipping the latters entirely wink

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#15 2009-12-28 08:32:30

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

mcsaba77 wrote:

So just take your time, don't rush it, if you have 2.31.1 working with your hardware than you can wait. Some linux kernel releases are a must-haves, others are not, and some are downright crap. I wouldn't really mind Arch skipping the latters entirely wink

Well, sorry to say you're not getting your wish on that last smile. Arch's philosophy on this matter is simple, use the latest, after some period of bug-testing (in the case of the kernel). Nothing's ever getting skipped.

Oh, as a by-the-way, its in [core] right now.


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#16 2009-12-28 09:35:58

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

ngoonee wrote:
mcsaba77 wrote:

So just take your time, don't rush it, if you have 2.31.1 working with your hardware than you can wait. Some linux kernel releases are a must-haves, others are not, and some are downright crap. I wouldn't really mind Arch skipping the latters entirely wink

Well, sorry to say you're not getting your wish on that last smile. Arch's philosophy on this matter is simple, use the latest, after some period of bug-testing (in the case of the kernel). Nothing's ever getting skipped.

Oh, as a by-the-way, its in [core] right now.

DAMN!!! wink

I'll update ASAP!!! Oh wait...

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#17 2009-12-28 15:51:46

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

mcsaba77 wrote:
ngoonee wrote:
wantilles wrote:

Is there an approximate timetable as to when kernel 2.6.32 will go into core?

As the devs/mods say everytime such a question is asked... when its ready.

And let me just say I'm really glad that Arch does proper testing before inflicting the latest kernel and its regressions (and there appears to be many with both 2.32 and 2.33) on the users.

I never said or implied otherwise.

However, once more, hardware with problematic support and software - and I am talking about the ATi VGA graphic cards - is holding the whole distro back.

Once more, the kernel has been hold back, due to problems with the useless (ATi) KMS.

I don't see wit the devs haven't stopped supporting ATi GPUs altogether.

They should only support nvidia - via the proprietary driver of course - and Intel GPUs, via their open driver.



PS: By the way, 2.6.32 is not in core yet.

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#18 2009-12-28 15:59:15

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

hahaha! KMS never worked for my notebook-integrated IGP Ati (RS600) and neither it does now (((

Hey, developers!! PLease, don't concentrate on these ultra-new features which do not work for most cases, first bring perfect Opensource drivers working for 99,9 % cases and it'll be ok for users, then begin introducing KMS'ses and other beauties if you know it works 100 %

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#19 2009-12-28 17:23:25

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

wantilles wrote:
mcsaba77 wrote:
ngoonee wrote:

As the devs/mods say everytime such a question is asked... when its ready.

And let me just say I'm really glad that Arch does proper testing before inflicting the latest kernel and its regressions (and there appears to be many with both 2.32 and 2.33) on the users.

I never said or implied otherwise.

However, once more, hardware with problematic support and software - and I am talking about the ATi VGA graphic cards - is holding the whole distro back.

Once more, the kernel has been hold back, due to problems with the useless (ATi) KMS.

I don't see wit the devs haven't stopped supporting ATi GPUs altogether.

They should only support nvidia - via the proprietary driver of course - and Intel GPUs, via their open driver.



PS: By the way, 2.6.32 is not in core yet.

Let me guess, you either have a machine with an nvidia card and you use the binary drivers or you have (and also have) a machine with an intel card that actually works well with the current drivers.

In case you haven't noticed, ati does also have an open source driver (well not one but actually 2). If you are in such a hurry to use kernel 2.6.32 just download it from testing and install it or build it yourself and install it.

Or are you waiting for all the other grunts (which may be using ati cards) to do all the dirty work and find all the nasty regressions so you don't have a surprise when you haplessly do 'pacman -Syu' ?

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but the devs and everyone else reporting problems are doing a very good job in keeping Arch up to date and still maintaining it stable and mostly trouble free for everyone.


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These new features are not something made up by Arch devs, they come from upstream and I'm sure it is hellish to decide if they should be enabled by default or not (wait and see how many people complain that ati kms is disabled by default when 2.6.32 hits [core]) because some people want it and it works just fine, others want it but it doesn't work, and others just don't care as long as things keep working, the devs are just trying to make sure the update will be trouble free for most people.


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#20 2009-12-28 23:03:01

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

wantilles and linuxgod, please learn what Arch is about and what the devs do. Perhaps how linux in general works as well. The Arch devs don't develop your kernel nor support by fixing your bugs. They (primarily) simply package from upstream, with as minimal changes as possible.

And suggesting that support for ATI be dropped is just idiotic IMO, considering both the number of people using ATI and the actual existance of documentation for the hardware.


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#21 2009-12-28 23:27:11

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

ngoonee wrote:

Oh, as a by-the-way...

This is taking over the mailing lists.

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#22 2009-12-29 00:16:34

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

pwd wrote:
ngoonee wrote:

Oh, as a by-the-way...

This is taking over the mailing lists.

What is?


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#23 2009-12-29 00:43:12

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

Ati support hasn't been dropped. We only dropped support for KMS that is still not recommended upstream.

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#24 2009-12-29 11:09:55

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

I mean that archers should disable KMS by default in stock kernels (core repo) for now vise-versa enabling it in testing repo!!
Archer must always have new but stable! But you mess with it and enable yet not fully supported features

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#25 2009-12-29 14:10:29

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Re: [TGN/wait for upstream] kernel 2.6.32.2-1

linuxgod wrote:

I mean that archers should disable KMS by default in stock kernels (core repo) for now vise-versa enabling it in testing repo!!
Archer must always have new but stable! But you mess with it and enable yet not fully supported features

Would you like a brand new golden chariot with that?


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