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#1 2012-12-30 23:35:04

ar5007eg
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Applications looking ugly (Win98-like)

I've been away from Linux for some years. I installed Arch, but didn't installed any Desktop Environments and I'm currently working with awesome-wm, which is like xmonad, but with an editable config file.

Great. But applications looks very very ugly, Win98-ugly. Everything is so gray and dark that I found myself constantly trying to increase the brightness of my monitor. I know this has something to do with gtk. I installed some gtk-chtheme but changing the theme doesn't help a lot; everything is still dark, I mean, Windows applications **shine bright**  when compared to applications I use on Arch.

So, how can I have nice-looking applications without installing a DE?

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#2 2012-12-30 23:41:06

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Re: Applications looking ugly (Win98-like)


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#3 2012-12-31 00:13:32

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Re: Applications looking ugly (Win98-like)

Well, which information is important for me in that page? I've already used gtk-chtheme and installed many themes from the repository but they ALL seem to me like variations of gray-win98-like themes. So, I guess I don't understand what's going on:

   A) The themes (I have) themselves are ugly.
or
   B) There is also something else to do (besides gtk-chtheme) to make everything less grayish.

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#4 2012-12-31 00:15:36

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Re: Applications looking ugly (Win98-like)

Have you installed gtk-engines (for gtk2 themes) and / or dedicated themes for gtk3 applications (if you're using any)?


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#5 2012-12-31 00:16:00

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Re: Applications looking ugly (Win98-like)

Aside from "ugly" and "grayish" you haven't really described a problem.

You seem to assume that everyone has the same idea of what is ugly or what is "nice-looking".  That is clearly not the case.  Can you give specifics?  What applications do you not find sutiable, and how (objectively/specifically) would you like them to change?


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#6 2012-12-31 00:27:41

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Re: Applications looking ugly (Win98-like)

I've installed only gtk2 themes because I'm testing them on firefox and firefox's appearence changes after changing the theme. I don't know, maybe it's just the themes themselves but, for instance, using ANY of those themes make the titlebars gray (there are different grays, but they are all grays). Those themes I mentioned are

Adwaita Cupertino L   Nodoka-Aqua      Xfce-b5
Adwaita Cupertino SL  Nodoka-Gilouche  Xfce-basic
Aurora                Nodoka-Looks     Xfce-cadmium
Bluecurve             Nodoka-Midnight  Xfce-curve
CleanIce              Nodoka-Rounded   Xfce-dawn
CleanIce-Dark         Nodoka-Silver    Xfce-dusk
CleanIce-Debian       Nodoka-Squared   Xfce-kde2
CleanIce-Marble       OkayishChicken   Xfce-kolors
Clearlooks            Raleigh          Xfce-light
CortlandChicken       Redmond          Xfce-orange
Crux                  ThinIce          Xfce-redmondxp
Default               Tiger            Xfce-saltlake
Emacs                 Xfce             Xfce-smooth
Industrial            Xfce-4.0         Xfce-stellar
MagicChicken          Xfce-4.2         Xfce-winter
Mist                  Xfce-4.4         oxygen-gtk
Nodoka                Xfce-4.6

Is this the intended look of those themes?

EDIT: For instance Xfce-orange doesn't make the titlebars orange (they are still grayish). It only changes, for instance, the current selected item on a context menu to orange.

Last edited by ar5007eg (2012-12-31 00:30:13)

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#7 2012-12-31 01:23:40

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Re: Applications looking ugly (Win98-like)

Titlebars are drawn by (some) window managers, and are customized through the WM customization, not gtk.

You said you use awesome wm?  There are no classical window title bars, just the title region in the status bar, right?  You need to look into your awesomewm configs and do the theming there.

EDIT: link: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Aw … figuration  If you are more specific with your questions in the future, you will likely get the information you need much faster.

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#8 2012-12-31 01:30:35

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Re: Applications looking ugly (Win98-like)

Or change to a different window manager that is more to your liking. Window managers with transparency and 3D effects seem to be sprouting up right, left and center these days...

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#9 2012-12-31 02:03:59

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Re: Applications looking ugly (Win98-like)

No, no, I'm sorry I didn't mean the titlebars themselves, I didn't even enable it on awesome (and they're off by default). What I'm talking about is about menu's background, I guess. Like in firefox the background color of the menus, or the tabs background color, etc. They DO change when I change the gtk theme, but they just don't feel nice like in Windows or OSX. 

Anyway, I get this MacOS theme from gnomelook.org; it's still ugly, but less than the others. I feel like it's not the THEME's fault but the graphical toolkit itself can't make things as pretty as the ones I've got used to while away from Linux. Still, I appreciate ur help.

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#10 2012-12-31 02:07:01

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Re: Applications looking ugly (Win98-like)

*headdesk*

I quit.


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#11 2012-12-31 02:35:30

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Re: Applications looking ugly (Win98-like)

Ah ha, one thing that can actually *cover* the uglyness consists on using a composite manager, like Cairo. It's better than nothing. I will try to configure it properly later..

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#12 2012-12-31 03:47:47

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Re: Applications looking ugly (Win98-like)

ar5007eg wrote:

Like in firefox the background color of the menus, or the tabs background color, etc. ...they just don't feel nice like in Windows or OSX.

Will you please post a screenshot and the corresponding GTK2 configuration file (~/.gtkrc-2.0) that explains how the colors don't "feel nice"?

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