Lame excuses you've heard not to switch to Linux

greenfish · 2009-09-23 14:04:58

Aprz, what do you mean by machosx is "outdated"? And why should someone "spend" time learning stuff that's working very basic on mac/windows? Why should anyone who just wants to bank/surf/internet/porno/facebook learn anything about their computer?

Here's another analogy, i have a car, and I don't know jack about cars in general, I only use it to drive to my work and various vacations etc, that's all i'm planning to spend on my car, no need to be a mechanic in order to drive a car.

Personally I love learning stuff everyday, but that's not how your typical computer user functions, especially the one's who pays for the system in the first place, aka a grandmother,kids,bloggers, gamers etc = majority.

Still don't understand what you meant by mac is outdated or it's GUI?

Time to drive home, have a nice day sir

Last edited by greenfish (2009-09-23 15:49:06)

hullap · 2009-09-23 15:08:01

This came from a friend once,
"Because no one uses it"
i didnt even bother to correct him.

Renan Birck · 2009-09-23 15:24:19

"Because it is for people which are too dumb to pirate software".

I SO had to hold my anger in order to not punch him in the nose.

techprophet · 2009-09-23 17:08:22

Renan Birck wrote:

"Because it is for people which are too dumb to pirate software".
I SO had to hold my anger in order to not punch him in the nose.

Good for you. You would've made the rest of us look bad.

Ranguvar · 2009-09-23 19:56:19

"Because I won't be able to use my Internet Explorer or MSN."

^-- No, not a web developer who has a real reason to use IE...
He refused to believe that he could get along just fine -- better, actually! -- with Firefox and Carrier/Pidgin, or anything but those two...

Aprz · 2009-09-24 06:47:34

greenfish wrote:

Aprz, what do you mean by machosx is "outdated"? And why should someone "spend" time learning stuff that's working very basic on mac/windows? Why should anyone who just wants to bank/surf/internet/porno/facebook learn anything about their computer?
Here's another analogy, i have a car, and I don't know jack about cars in general, I only use it to drive to my work and various vacations etc, that's all i'm planning to spend on my car, no need to be a mechanic in order to drive a car.

Aprz wrote:

I usually do one last prod explaining what I just explained about how the computer is the most important tool today and it's pointless not to know how to operate it or use it in an inefficient manner.

Well, you know how to operate your car, but a lot of people either don't know how to operate a computer or they use it in an inefficient manner... I hope you're not driving like an idiot, crashing into things, etc? Right? We hear it all the time, students couldn't write a paper cause their computer broke, they didn't know how to use an application, computer at work broke and production stopped for hours to find out that it was something simple (Tech Support joke about this all the time!), and so on. So I wasn't really gearing this like "Learn about how a computer works", but "Learn how to use a damn computer". This could be done on any operating system. With Linux though, it is the better tool out of the operating systems that exist hence why I mention this here, and it's free! It's like a free ferrari that will not crash into anything, it charges in 30 seconds when you plug it into the wall instead of filling it up with gas, tires will never pop, etc.... It's free! It's superior! So not just learning how to operate it, but picking the better tools of the two. We don't need cars, we don't need computers, but how productive are we by not using them?

greenfish wrote:

Personally I love learning stuff everyday, but that's not how your typical computer user functions, especially the one's who pays for the system in the first place, aka a grandmother,kids,bloggers, gamers etc = majority.
Still don't understand what you meant by mac is outdated or it's GUI?
Time to drive home, have a nice day sir

The underlying software that the desktop environment mask is outdated. This is probably because very few people know how to use it or knows it even exist. The GUI applications that the desktop environment provides does a mediocre job (the user isn't educated enough to know that it is doing a mediocre job) and you pay for (the alternatives already exist on the Mac, but they are free). Getting the job done is not enough by the way. Take a look at using sed vs any other text editor to go through each word individually and change/remove it. That will get the job done, but it's redundant, time wasting, and stupid. I don't care if it gets the job done, the job could've been done faster and better, but you ended up working harder and wasted time and productivity.

Be sure to drive home safe and efficiently, don't drive like a maniac, don't take the long way home (but stay on course lol, don't drive through houses to get home sooner), use turn signals, make a complete stop, etc... You know the whole deal I think...

Acecero · 2009-09-24 19:02:19

Linux noob: "Linux is so awesome, except it doesn't play games."

Me: "You and your freakin' games!"

Linux noob: "Hey, you don't dis the games!"

Me:

smartboyathome · 2009-09-24 20:26:24

Acecero wrote:

Linux noob: "Linux is so awesome, except it doesn't play games."
Me: "You and your freakin' games!"
Linux noob: "Hey, you don't dis the games!"
Me:

In a similar vain:

Linux noob: "Linux is awesome! Let me go announce it to the world and force everyone I know to use it!"
Me: "Just let them use what they want."
Linux noob: "But Linux is the best!!! PEOPLE LIKE YOU RUIN IT!!!"
Me:

Beini · 2009-09-24 20:52:17

smartboyathome wrote:

In a similar vain:
Linux noob: "Linux is awesome! Let me go announce it to the world and force everyone I know to use it!"
Me: "Just let them use what they want."
Linux noob: "But Linux is the best!!! PEOPLE LIKE YOU RUIN IT!!!"
Me:

QFT

Sometimes linux users remind me of people who keep pushing their religion on others

ammon · 2009-09-24 21:07:47

@Beni

Yep, just like religion. xD

Renan Birck · 2009-09-25 00:47:17

techprophet wrote:

Renan Birck wrote:
"Because it is for people which are too dumb to pirate software".
I SO had to hold my anger in order to not punch him in the nose.
Good for you. You would've made the rest of us look bad.

Yep. I would make the community look VERY bad if I didn't control myself.

Also, the classics I know:

- It has no GUI (or the variant all the GUIs are ugly)
- It can't be trusted, because anybody can change it
- It does not support <some high-end software that I pirated, but don't really need>
- It is only for lifeless nerds which still live in basements (or it is for communists)
- How can you become rich if you open-source your programs?.

And many others...

ammon · 2009-09-25 09:49:48

What's with you americans and communism? You still live in "witch hunt" age?
If something is common good then it is communist?
Almost every post in this thread i see "communist". Amazing.

Aprz · 2009-09-25 09:54:04

ammon wrote:

What's with you americans and communism? You still live in "witch hunt" age?
If something is common good then it is communist?
Almost every post in this thread i see "communist". Amazing.

Hey hey hey, don't hate on communist haters (or socialist haters). Hater.... Communist....

Please don't generalize with Americans though. :\ Don't really like it when people are like "What's up with you Americans and whatever?" Irritates me.

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Ranguvar · 2009-09-25 19:20:11

I agree with Aprz (yes, I am American)...
But I do agree that most Americans have an annoying habit of labeling anything they don't like "communist", or "socialist", etc. I've heard Free Software described as communistic many times, too, which is especially stupid because it's decentralization of "production", whereas Communism advocates the opposite.

Aaanyways... even vaguely political discussions do not on the forum belong

Aprz · 2009-09-26 06:29:40

Ranguvar wrote:

I agree with Aprz (yes, I am American)...
But I do agree that most Americans have an annoying habit of labeling anything they don't like "communist", or "socialist", etc. I've heard Free Software described as communistic many times, too, which is especially stupid because it's decentralization of "production", whereas Communism advocates the opposite.
Aaanyways... even vaguely political discussions do not on the forum belong

I think a lot of them just do it joking though now sort of like the whole American slang. My friend and I love to just talk all stupid style in real life just for kicks rather than having a serious conversation. We'll be like "Yo dawg, sup? Gonna go get some joe at the store. Ooo... this is my jam on the radio! Ooo...!!! " just foolishly. Or on the phone, we'll start saying a lot of terrorist stuff like "Got the coordinates to the white house? Okay, fire the missiles!" cause of the whole Patriot Act thing that everyone is always tripp'n on. Really, I don't think a lot of Americans talk so much slang (maybe something like "Yo" or something here and there), but I do notice that we do have the habit to say "hellav", "like", and "totally" a lot, or at least in the Bay Area where I live. :\ Most people don't type hellav with a v at the end by the way, but I do cause I thought it was brilliant that Holden Caulfield did that, haha, so people will say "What?" when I right that. I do have to admit that we have terrible accents though. To this day, I cannot hear the sound difference in Chinese mandarin (the four tones with the up, down, u, and straight). Been learning the language for two years and I bullshit talking it and hope they understand me if I am close enough or pull it out of context, which they do. They tell me my accent is terrible, but I joke and tell them Asian chicks dig it.

Anyhow, my point is.. the communist/socialist thing in my area is usually a joke.

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Acecero · 2009-09-26 19:28:43

ok back on topic:

"Command Line?! I don't want to go back to DOS!"

Everytime I hear people associate the Linux/Unix shell to dos, really shows how simple their minds are.

pharcyde · 2009-09-27 01:36:03

Ranguvar wrote:

I agree with Aprz (yes, I am American)...
But I do agree that most Americans have an annoying habit of labeling anything they don't like "communist", or "socialist", etc. I've heard Free Software described as communistic many times, too, which is especially stupid because it's decentralization of "production", whereas Communism advocates the opposite.
Aaanyways... even vaguely political discussions do not on the forum belong

It's not really peoples fault that they think like this; Communists have always been portrayed through American society and the media as the "enemy" of American prosperity. I really don't understand how you can relate GNU/Linux to Communism though. I have heard this before aswell.

The one that I hear most is usually about games since that's what most of my friends do. I too cannot escape Windows entirely because I do like to play games. Wine is not an option for the games that I play.

It doesn't really bother me that linux is still a minority in the Desktop market. I can understand why people use Windows and MacOS, thus I don't really find many of the excuses lame but more as valid arguments or simply a lack of knowledge which is understandable.

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linkmaster03 · 2009-09-27 01:37:59

Acecero wrote:

ok back on topic:
"Command Line?! I don't want to go back to DOS!"
Everytime I hear people associate the Linux/Unix shell to dos, really shows how simple their minds are.

Yeah, I hear this all the time as well. It's pretty lame that people think all command lines/terminals are DOS.

Teoulas · 2009-09-27 09:50:08

Well, of course it's not DOS, but you can't blame users for not knowing the difference. Normal users don't want to learn a command line interface, they just want an easy GUI. Here's a related blog post I've read recently:

Please Don't Show the Command Line to the Uninitiated

AngryKoala · 2009-09-27 10:26:19

When wine becomes developed enough to play any game, then there is little to no excuse for Windows users. It's the only reason why one of my hard drives is still Windows. Also, communism has nothing to do with business practices or markets, but government invovement in them (ie, nothing to do with Linux).

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owain · 2009-09-27 10:35:15

AngryKoala wrote:

When wine becomes developed enough to play any game, then there is little to no excuse for Windows users.

It's still not just games, though, there's other software without a suitable Linux equivalent which doesn't fully work with Wine yet. Music notation is the one that affects me, with Sibelius and Finale the two reasons I still have XP on Virtualbox. (No, Lilypond isn't an equivalent, it's fundamentally different in purpose.)

AngryKoala · 2009-09-27 10:47:17

owain wrote:

AngryKoala wrote:
When wine becomes developed enough to play any game, then there is little to no excuse for Windows users.
It's still not just games, though, there's other software without a suitable Linux equivalent which doesn't fully work with Wine yet.

Thats why I said little to no instead of just no
75% of the legitimate excuses have to do with games. Finale is the reason my gf wont switch too.

owain · 2009-09-27 12:23:50

Sorry, my misreading!

ZankerH · 2009-09-27 13:15:28

A recent conversation I had with a co-attendee on a local IT convention, of all places...

(He's a windows user with some unix experience from decades ago, agreed try GNU/Linux. Ten minutes later, I have Arch with a minimal Xorg+gnome setup installed and configured on a 2GB partition on his laptop.)

Him: Ok, so how do I install openoffice?
Me: pacman -Sy openoffice-base
Him: Says I need to be root, wtf?
Me: By default, you're logged in as a user without administration privileges. Just enter sudo in front and enter the root password you chose during the installation.
Him: What's up with that, that's an insecure design and leads to security vulnerabilities, you should always be logged in with administrator privileges (spends the next ten minutes trying to argue this point)

I did eventually get my point across, but I was just amazed by his thick-headedness and refusal to acknowledge simple facts until there were about a dozen people telling him the same thing.

Peasantoid · 2009-09-27 15:40:35

hullap wrote:

This came from a friend once,
"Because no one uses it"
i didnt even bother to correct him.

Heard this lovely pearl of wisdom recently, except it was by a couple of irritating Windows fanboys. (No, there isn't any other kind.)

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