The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Perry3D · 2009-07-02 07:58:49

venky80 wrote:

DevoidOfWindows wrote:
You don't need Mesa- or Radeon-GIT; all you need is Kernel 2.6.30 or later, xf86-video-radeon -- not radeonhd, and to make sure that the radeon module is loading at boot.
i have mobility radeon 3670

You have a r600 card. All you get at the moment is 2D acceleration (EXA), Video acceleration (XV) and power saving. They are currently working on 3D acceleration but i think this is no usable just now.
Here you can check the current progress with the radeon or radeonhd driver: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature
The difference between these two drivers is that radeonhd supports hdmi audio.

But if you need no 3D i recommend the radeon driver. Very stable and you can also turn on compositing with metacity.

If you really want to look at the experimental code for 3D acceleration: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17603

Big Whiskey · 2009-07-02 15:04:17

Horror Story Of The Week - Getting Arch running on a laptop with two ATI cards

Getting X working on a laptop with ATI Hybrid Graphics has been an exercise in pain. 30+ hours later, it finally works. Mostly works - right now X won't start if the laptop is on battery power, even if fully charged.

First mistake was purchasing a Toshiba Satellite A355D-S6887. This abomination of nature has two graphics cards, a Radeon HD 3200 and a Radeon HD 3400. No option to turn one of the adapters off in the BIOS, therefore no hope of using the FOSS driver. I take it home and try to install Arch, since that is what I run on my (non-ATI!) desktops: fail, after about 15 hours of work I finally gave up. I try openSUSE, thinking that YAST was idiot-proof: fail. Kubuntu: fail. Fedora: epic fail. Finally, just before I was about to chuck the laptop into the Han River, in an act of sheer desperation I tried Mandriva 2009.0: success! Amazingly, the live CD actually contained a version of fglrx compatible with the supplied kernel! I don't like Mandriva, since I'm used to having more control over my systems, but I at least had a working version of Linux on the laptop. At this point I had spent so much time on the laptop I was afraid I would soon be served with divorce papers so I left well enough alone for the time being.

Along comes Mandriva 2009.1 a few months ago. I upgrade, since I wanted KDE 4.2. Little did I know at the time that ATI hadn't a working catalyst driver compatible with 2.6.29, so after the "upgrade" I no longer had X. After some looking, I saw that catalyst 9.6 was out so back to Arch I go. After many, many false starts, brain farts and adding slowly to my rudimentary knowledge of X, and thanks to Kensai's catalyst repo and the hard work of him and many others on this board, I now have a somewhat workable machine running KDE. Xorg -configure won't work, so I rebooted the old Mandriva 2009.0 disk, copied the xorg.conf that the live CD generated onto the hard disk, and X worked just fine despite trying to load five or six nonexistent modules (I'll fix that later when I get enough energy to care about having 3D). Running aticonfig --initial on the transported xorg.conf didn't seem to do anything.

Again, thanks for all of your discussions here. They helped a lot.

kensai · 2009-07-02 15:51:36

Glad to here you got it working on Arch Linux. Well, after applying almost five hundred patches it does kind of work with kernel 2.6.30. Well, a lesson well learned, ATI sucks. So sad to know that support for kernel 2.6.30 will come on catalyst 9.9 or 9.10. I hope I'm wrong. But, oh well.

venky80 · 2009-07-02 16:26:21

kensai wrote:

Glad to here you got it working on Arch Linux. Well, after applying almost five hundred patches it does kind of work with kernel 2.6.30. Well, a lesson well learned, ATI sucks. So sad to know that support for kernel 2.6.30 will come on catalyst 9.9 or 9.10. I hope I'm wrong. But, oh well.

is that what they are officially saying?

EvilSide · 2009-07-02 16:31:54

@Big Whiskey - I'm with Fujitsu Siemens Amilo PA3553 with Hybrid graphics too (HD3200 and HD3470), no problem on Archlinux. Here is my xorg.conf with catalyst and catalyst-utils from AUR: http://pastebin.com/f65c406df

Perry3D · 2009-07-02 17:01:46

venky80 wrote:

kensai wrote:
Glad to here you got it working on Arch Linux. Well, after applying almost five hundred patches it does kind of work with kernel 2.6.30. Well, a lesson well learned, ATI sucks. So sad to know that support for kernel 2.6.30 will come on catalyst 9.9 or 9.10. I hope I'm wrong. But, oh well.
is that what they are officially saying?

Which distros do they support: Suse and Ubuntu? I think their release dates are October and November. From then on there will be support for a new kernel.

kensai · 2009-07-02 17:03:25

Perry3D wrote:

venky80 wrote:
kensai wrote:
Glad to here you got it working on Arch Linux. Well, after applying almost five hundred patches it does kind of work with kernel 2.6.30. Well, a lesson well learned, ATI sucks. So sad to know that support for kernel 2.6.30 will come on catalyst 9.9 or 9.10. I hope I'm wrong. But, oh well.
is that what they are officially saying?
Which distros do they support: Suse and Ubuntu? I think their release dates are October and November. From then on there will be support for a new kernel.

spot on, I am giving the 9.9 possibility because they might include support for the beta or rc of ubuntu. But I think and hopefully will be support for kernel 2.6.31 which should be available then.

AdrenalineJunky · 2009-07-03 12:43:53

hopefully they won't do it the way they did with xorg 1.6 - give ubuntu a beta driver to support it for the release candidates and wait till that version of ubuntu was released to include it in thier driver releases....

i can't wait till 3d makes it into the open drivers....

Perry3D · 2009-07-03 13:44:16

@AdrenalineJunky: I can hardly wait! Its in progress but not usable:
Current status: http://jbridgman.livejournal.com/945.html and http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n … &px=NzM2Mw

Phronix is writing about the end of this summer. But i can't believe this.

antarbozi · 2009-07-03 14:37:48

Does Catalyst 9.6-3 in AUR support the Radeon Mobility HD 4570?

mikesd · 2009-07-04 00:07:13

Last time I tried to use compositing on the radeon open source driver the results were less than impressive. Window dragging was slow in Xmonad with noticable pauses when tiling and floating windows. There have been a few updates, (kernel, radeon driver) since I last looked at it so I tried it today and it is much improved. I only use this machine on weekends and when traveling so it wasn't a priority. Not sure how it would go with prolonged use but it looks good to me so far. I still miss the power saving options though.

Card Info: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M56P [Radeon Mobility X1600]

flamelab · 2009-07-04 07:03:07

There are powersaving options:

Option "ForceLowPowerMode"
Option "DynamicPM"
Option "ClockGating" "on"

check out man radeon.

mikesd · 2009-07-04 07:54:18

flamelab wrote:

There are powersaving options:
Option "ForceLowPowerMode"
Option "DynamicPM"
Option "ClockGating" "on"
check out man radeon.

Cool! I was only reading the man page today but my eyes must have skipped over these. I actually thought my laptop was running a bit quieter and cooler today than previously. Maybe these options are already on by default. I'll definitely check them out. Thanks.

Raisuli · 2009-07-04 11:00:04

Thanks for all the work you're putting into this, Kensai. The driver in your repo is working great.

lucasdemarchi · 2009-07-05 19:41:15

Any improvement on i686 support?

Last time I tried (one week ago), i ended up with a frozen machine.

The worst choice I could make was to get involved with kernel development and game development having an ATI card. I even wrote a script to fast switch between open source driver (while doing kernel development) and fglrx (while developing a game). Now, this isn't working anymore and I have to finish my game. Dammit

Mailik · 2009-07-07 09:30:01

Just switch to x86_64 for catalyst (thanks for the repo). 3D soft like glxgear (8600 fps), nerverball works. But when i launch ETQW :

chocolat mailik|~ § /opt/etqw/etqw
ETQW 1.5.12663.12663  linux-x86 May  9 2008 13:50:52
found interface lo - loopback
found interface eth0 - 192.168.1.64/255.255.255.0
CPU: Intel CPU with MMX & SSE & SSE2 & SSE3
ETQW using generic code for SIMD processing
enabled Flush-To-Zero mode
------ Initializing File System ------
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/game000.pk4 with checksum 0x3efd73a5
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/game001.pk4 with checksum 0xa02f1c18
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/game002.pk4 with checksum 0x87457e61
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/pak000.pk4 with checksum 0x442eb08b
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/pak001.pk4 with checksum 0x10e16e6
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/pak002.pk4 with checksum 0x8dbe7353
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/pak003.pk4 with checksum 0x99dfcabb
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/pak004.pk4 with checksum 0x7e49f838
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/pak005.pk4 with checksum 0x5ccc7213
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/pak006.pk4 with checksum 0x9edf1b7d
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/pak007.pk4 with checksum 0x74a1a2f
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/pak008.pk4 with checksum 0x71a93b80
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_english000.pk4 with checksum 0x977c7bd0
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_english001.pk4 with checksum 0x6583cd8
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_english002.pk4 with checksum 0x8dc70e3d
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_english003.pk4 with checksum 0xc2d7ed49
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_french001.pk4 with checksum 0x3bd7a062
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_french002.pk4 with checksum 0x79287190
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_french003.pk4 with checksum 0x8f315c7b
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_german001.pk4 with checksum 0xa694c3f1
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_german002.pk4 with checksum 0x64bee731
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_german003.pk4 with checksum 0x370e6186
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_korean000.pk4 with checksum 0xd42c084
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_korean001.pk4 with checksum 0x4de6a4e7
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_korean002.pk4 with checksum 0x15d2c9af
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_korean003.pk4 with checksum 0x4f8dfac1
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_polish001.pk4 with checksum 0x2575ff8e
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_polish002.pk4 with checksum 0x3ab92dd6
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_polish003.pk4 with checksum 0x8d9af876
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_russian001.pk4 with checksum 0xf3e91581
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_russian002.pk4 with checksum 0x38b1a37c
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_russian003.pk4 with checksum 0x7e90b040
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_spanish001.pk4 with checksum 0xd609566c
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_spanish002.pk4 with checksum 0xcf994ada
Loaded pk4 /opt/etqw/base/zpak_spanish003.pk4 with checksum 0xe7d989bc
Current search path:
/home/mailik/.etqwcl/base
/opt/etqw/base
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_spanish003.pk4 (6 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_spanish002.pk4 (119 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_spanish001.pk4 (13 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_russian003.pk4 (5 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_russian002.pk4 (119 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_russian001.pk4 (13 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_polish003.pk4 (6 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_polish002.pk4 (119 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_polish001.pk4 (13 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_korean003.pk4 (5 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_korean002.pk4 (12 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_korean001.pk4 (12 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_korean000.pk4 (6 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_german003.pk4 (5 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_german002.pk4 (119 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_german001.pk4 (13 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_french003.pk4 (14 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_french002.pk4 (119 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_french001.pk4 (13 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_english003.pk4 (7 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_english002.pk4 (117 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_english001.pk4 (9 files)
/opt/etqw/base/zpak_english000.pk4 (1018 files)
/opt/etqw/base/pak008.pk4 (1496 files)
/opt/etqw/base/pak007.pk4 (1510 files)
/opt/etqw/base/pak006.pk4 (3 files)
/opt/etqw/base/pak005.pk4 (2172 files)
/opt/etqw/base/pak004.pk4 (72 files)
/opt/etqw/base/pak003.pk4 (1133 files)
/opt/etqw/base/pak002.pk4 (1637 files)
/opt/etqw/base/pak001.pk4 (1067 files)
/opt/etqw/base/pak000.pk4 (9350 files)
/opt/etqw/base/game002.pk4 (3 files)
/opt/etqw/base/game001.pk4 (11 files)
/opt/etqw/base/game000.pk4 (3 files)
game DLL: 0x0 in pak: 0x0
Addon pk4s:
file system initialized.
--------------------------------------
----- Initializing Decls -----
Decompressing the global token cache...3566Kb
------------------------------
execing 'etqwconfig.cfg'
execing 'localization/english/defaultbinds.cfg'
execing 'etqwbinds.cfg'
couldn't exec 'autoexec.cfg'
Vendor: Device:
thread priority set to 1
Opening IP socket: localhost:-1
Failed to open server license code file for reading.
Initializing SDL subsystem
Loading GL driver 'libGL.so.1' through SDL
WARNING: SDL_GL_LoadLibrary libGL.so.1 failed: Failed loading libGL.so.1

------- Initializing renderSystem --------
----- R_InitOpenGL -----
signal caught: 'Segmentation fault', si_code 1
callstack:
0x0
[0x082e80e1]
[0x082e549d]
[0xf7fbf410]
Trying to exit gracefully..
--------------- BSE Shutdown ----------------
---------------------------------------------
Shutting down SDL subsystem
idRenderSystem::Shutdown()

On AUR, a Nvidia user solve this problem with a pacman -S lib32-nvidia-utils. Someone have a tips for ati card ? Some ATI's owner can play ETQW ?

McDuck · 2009-07-07 11:00:03

Install the corresponding lib32 package for catalyst.

http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=24824

Mailik · 2009-07-07 13:02:40

McDuck wrote:

Install the corresponding lib32 package for catalyst.
http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=24824

that work now, thanks :-)

lucasdemarchi · 2009-07-07 17:44:44

So, I installed kernel 2.6.28.10.

I tried to install catalyst / catalyst-utils with the current PKGBUILD disabling the patches and changing the kernel version inside it. It didn't work. So I used the ugly and dirty way: installed directly with catalyst installer and it's working right now.

When I'm not using 3D, I simply uninstall catalyst and install radeonhd and boot into a newer kernel. I think I'll keep this configuration untill ATI provide a better driver... (I'm starting to think this configuration will survive for a long long time).

cinan · 2009-07-07 19:48:31

Is there any i686 catalyst package (I mean in http://dev.archlinux.org/~eduardo/repo/i686 repository e.g.) working with newest kernel in official repo? I didn't test anything because I must have working PC all the time in these days...

Last edited by cinan (2009-07-07 19:48:53)

kensai · 2009-07-07 19:50:39

cinan wrote:

Is there any i686 catalyst package (I mean in http://dev.archlinux.org/~eduardo/repo/i686 repository e.g.) working with newest kernel in official repo? I didn't test anything because I must have working PC all the time in these days...

There is a i686 package supposed to work there, I did not build it myself, I just built the x86_64 ones. But if you rely heavily on uptime, I wouldn't recommend it, many people are experiencing problems with the latest catalyst drivers for i686.

lucasdemarchi · 2009-07-07 20:16:09

Yes... I tried it, but it doesn't work for me. It is able run only fgl_glxgears. My main reason to use this proprietary driver is because I'm working in a project with Ogre3D. Running 2.6.30 + catalyst all I get is a messy window displaying random colors. If I run fglrxinfo I get a frozen machine.

Thanks anyway

venky80 · 2009-07-07 20:28:07

i am thinking i686 ATI users are resigned to either be at 2.6.28 kernel catalyst or use open source drivers

kgas · 2009-07-08 13:20:17

i686 ATi in aur works. But glxgears/suspend/hibernation not working as intended. (a known problem). Even with xf86-video-Ati suspend/hibernation is not working with HD3450 / 2400 XT cards in the laptops. After installing catalyst from aur google-earth complains about the missing libgl so modules.

rolled back to open source driver (actually re-installed Arch in another HD) and now suspend (needs 70input-reset) / hibernate works fine. This is for the records.

Last edited by kgas (2009-07-12 17:26:44)

lucasdemarchi · 2009-07-08 13:27:23

@kgas: did you test any other software/game that uses the card?

I have interest only in using ogre3d and this is not working.

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