Xorg 7.1 moved to current???

yoburtu · 2006-09-12 09:55:33

I've read that Xorg 7.1 moved to current:

http://www.archlinux.org/news/255/

I don't find 7.1 in repositories. The current version is:

xorg-11R7.0-1.pkg.tar.gz.

What's the problem?.

Best regards.

pressh · 2006-09-12 10:07:33

xorg-server is at 1.1 which means that xorg is at 7.1.
The xorg package is just a dummy package (it installs all of xorg packages) which should reflect the state of xorg-server. It is flagged out of date already.

yoburtu · 2006-09-12 11:06:25

Thanks you. What about the drivers of ati and nvidia?. Are they updated for xorg 7.1?.

Lone_Wolf · 2006-09-12 11:20:58

I use Nvidia and the driver works fine, ati should also be up-to-date but you'll have to ask an ati user for confirmation.

Chman · 2006-09-12 14:42:14

Lone_Wolf wrote:

I use Nvidia and the driver works fine, ati should also be up-to-date but you'll have to ask an ati user for confirmation.

Works well here with an ATI 9800Pro card. The only difference is that I don't get more than 250fps in glxgears with DRI enabled (4500 previously), but as long as games work as fast as before, I don't care.

slackhack · 2006-09-12 15:14:07

it seems very buggy. i have a matrox card and can't use the mga drivers (which has always been the case with DVI), but the vesa driver now isn't working properly, either, with the screen repainting in "slow motion" every time i move a window or scroll a web page. with Chman reporting the massive drop in fps, i would definitely not upgrade now, but wait until it's more stable.

Chman · 2006-09-12 16:54:15

slackhack wrote:

with Chman reporting the massive drop in fps, i would definitely not upgrade now, but wait until it's more stable.

No no, it works great here, the fps drop is only visible in glxgears. I can run games like before (Q3, War3 etc), with 100+ fps. To be honest, I don't feel any differences between Xorg 7.0 and 7.1, except for glxgears, but It's Not A Benchmark (tm).

slackhack · 2006-09-12 17:00:10

Chman wrote:

slackhack wrote:
with Chman reporting the massive drop in fps, i would definitely not upgrade now, but wait until it's more stable.
No no, it works great here, the fps drop is only visible in glxgears. I can run games like before (Q3, War3 etc), with 100+ fps. To be honest, I don't feel any differences between Xorg 7.0 and 7.1, except for glxgears, but It's Not A Benchmark (tm).

right, but it -is- different, meaning something is changed somewhere. i'm using the same config i used for vesa with 7.0.0 and it's not working, so something is off somewhere.

btw, X wouldn't even load when i used a 2.6.17.13 kernel with the same exact kernel and xorg configurations i'm using with 2.6.16.20. so all i'm saying is that there are apparently bugs somewhere -- maybe on my machine, but somewhere.

shadowhand · 2006-09-12 17:37:11

The "massive" drop in FPS is caused by Xorg locking the maximum FPS to your screen refresh rate (60Hz for all LCD, 75-85 for most CRT). I noticed this recently, and found it rather interesting.... and it makes games run smoother, not slower at all.

slackhack · 2006-09-12 17:40:41

shadowhand wrote:

The "massive" drop in FPS is caused by Xorg locking the maximum FPS to your screen refresh rate (60Hz for all LCD, 75-85 for most CRT). I noticed this recently, and found it rather interesting.... and it makes games run smoother, not slower at all.

that's nice for you, too bad it (or some other "improvement") breaks the vesa driver functionality for those of us who don't play games but need to get work done, though.

>>edit: i rolled back to 7.0.0 and it's working perfectly again -- same configuration, no screen lag. it works up to kernel 2.6.16.28, but not with 2.6.17.13. i haven't tried all the 2.6.17.x kernels in between yet to find out which one breaks it, but with 2.6.17.13 it gives these errors:

(EE) VESA(0): Set VBE Mode Failed!

Fatal Server Error:
AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0

so now there are 2 apparent problems: something in X or the X vesa drivers, and now an additional problem with the 2.6.17.x kernel, with which X 7.1.1 may or may not work properly even if the X/vesa problem is fixed. not exactly what i call "progress," but then again i'm not a programmer.

Chman · 2006-09-12 18:27:09

shadowhand wrote:

The "massive" drop in FPS is caused by Xorg locking the maximum FPS to your screen refresh rate (60Hz for all LCD, 75-85 for most CRT). I noticed this recently, and found it rather interesting.... and it makes games run smoother, not slower at all.

Yep, it's called vsync. I thought about it, but the thing is, with a 60Hz refresh rate, I should be locked to 60fps (that's what I get on Windows or when I'm coding with OpenGL with vsync enabled). Glxgears is locked to 240/250fps... Or maybe it's an hard-coded lock. That's strange, but not annoying so I don't really care.

hightower · 2006-09-12 19:32:01

@slackhack: do you have an PCI Express graphics card?

hightower

slackhack · 2006-09-12 22:03:57

no, it's AGP. have there been reports of problems with pci x cards?

Ugo · 2006-09-12 22:36:48

I confirm the same problem of Slackhack.

X does not work well with vesa. There are delays of about half a second in redrawing windows.

I have updated yesterday to the latest version of xorg and now X is quite slow. The problem is not inside the single applications, or in the creation of new windows, neither is due to a particular window manager. Indeed I can almost instantly create a terminal window (rxvt) inside kde or icewm.
But when I have to move a window the redraw takes a significant amount of time. I just guess that the window is redrawn much more often than with the previous version xorg.

Another very annoying "feature" of the new X.org is related to firefox: also the scrolling of the window of the browser got slower. There is no problem, as I can move in the page with page_down, but thew wheel of the mouse and the down arrow is become unusable.
I see the same problem with other browsers (konqueror, dillo, opera) so it is not a problem specific of firefox. Simply web browsing is now much less convenient then before.

My version of xorg:
pacman -Qi xorg
Name : xorg
Version : 11R7.0-1
Groups : None
Packager : Arch Linux (http://www.archlinux.org)
...

I have a graphic card Ati X1300, soon or later I'll install the drivers for 3D acceleration, I just kept the vesa driver up to now hoping to avoid any problem

Is there a simple way to downgrade x.org to a previous version?
Does anyone know how to set X.org in such a way to avoid this bug, still using vesa?

slackhack · 2006-09-12 23:49:14

Ugo wrote:

I have updated yesterday to the latest version of xorg and now X is quite slow. The problem is not inside the single applications, or in the creation of new windows, neither is due to a particular window manager. Indeed I can almost instantly create a terminal window (rxvt) inside kde or icewm.
But when I have to move a window the redraw takes a significant amount of time. I just guess that the window is redrawn much more often than with the previous version xorg.

exactly -- good distinction. applications seem to open pretty much the same, but moving the window or scrolling within the app is torturous. just totally guessing, but from what i've read in this thread i'd suspect it has something to do with the vsync feature Chman mentioned.

Is there a simple way to downgrade x.org to a previous version?

it's very simple. just download the previous version xorg- and xf86-input-/xorg-video- packages you need from one of the mirrors (here for example), then install them with the -U option. for convenience, i put all of them in a subdirectory i made in /var/cache/pacman/pkg, and then just do pacman -U * in the directory to install all of them at once.

i sent a report to the X mailing list in case the problem is with X or vesa instead of the arch packages specifically (which i imagine is the case). hopefully it will be resolved soon. until it is, i'm sticking with 7.0.0.

sula · 2006-09-13 09:32:19

I dont have problems you mentioned ,also in glxgears i get ~2000 and that the number i should get.
Maybe this is because i turned off vsync in Nvidia X Server Settings.
So i would suggest trying to turn off vsync in your drivers conf file/ panel or whatever else you have.

byte · 2006-09-13 12:35:31

Just a quick note: use driconf from AUR for configuring 3d settings.

slackhack · 2006-09-13 17:50:03

the X devs don't seem to be responding. i guess problems with the humble vesa driver are too basic compared with all the fancy stuff they're doing. filing arch flyspray report...

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