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Alphalutra1

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Registered: 2006-09-16

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

Wait... looking at more stuff, ZFS might actually be _fast_. I have no clue anymore.

Haha, that's alright.  It is pretty fast on good hardware (2 GB of RAM, i386) and way better once you get 4 GB of RAM or more and add in a 64-bit processor.  It's really great.  Use it on a home server I have, love certainty of the safety of my data, the snapshots, ease of "partitioning" and the almost unlimited options you can use (like for my /usr/ports tree, mostly text files, its on a separate partition thats compressed, backup files have two copies kept of them, etc.)

As for on FUSE, it's dog dog slow.  That's all due to the implementation through fuse, lack of optimization, not existing in kernel, etc.

Cheers,

Alphalutra1

Ranguvar

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

I'll test it out on my laptop, I'm putting FreeBSD on it. It's bottlenecked by a pathetic hard drive, though.

tkdfighter

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Registered: 2009-01-28

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

For sequential reads and writes on ZFS / FreeBSD 7.0 I'm getting close to the maximum theoretical throughput of the disk at ~180 MB/s read and ~85 MB/s write on two mirrored disks. No real benchmarks though, just a few dd runs on movies. Also, I've done no performance tuning whatsoever.

b9anders

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Registered: 2007-11-07

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

Why kms is not enabled by default on ARCH testing Kernel?

from http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_29

In the X.org side, it's even more difficult. Because when the kernel modesetting support is enabled, it is /!\ REQUIRED /!\ that the X.org driver also has modesetting support. If you enable kernel modesetting and you don't have a modesetting-enabled driver, X.org will NOT be able to work in any way and it even may crash your machine. There's no way to workaround this, except disabling kernel modesetting (running a modesetting enabled X.org driver in a modesetting disabled kernel is allowed). Right now, only the Intel driver seems to have a stable release with modesetting support, alpha support is being worked on for other drivers.

imho kms should be disabled until majority of drivers can work or be enought stable.

would be nice to have an intel kernel for this...

Yaro

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Registered: 2009-04-03

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

Any idea when 2.6.29 will be dropped into [main]? I'm hoping we'll get it in there before Ubuntu's next version releases.

big_gie

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

When its ready ;P
I did not follow any discussion on this, so I can't point you to one. Even the general mailing list does not have something. I never tried finding where the discussion was being done... If you find please post it

kensai

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

we are waiting for kernel 2.6.29.1, which just got released, if the most critical issues are resolved then, 2.6.29.1 will move to core.

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broch

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

Any idea when 2.6.29 will be dropped into [main]? I'm hoping we'll get it in there before Ubuntu's next version releases.

1) nvidia drivers will not install on 2.6.29 due to changes in the recent kernels (easy fix though, no need to wait for nvidia do release a patch). Currently to make this work you need to clean nv.c from "owner" comments
2) since 2.6.29-git9 problems with iwl3945 however I admit that I did not investigated this thoroughly, so it may be simple change in the kernel config.

so I would not be so anxious to get this installed unless you can fix it or you don't need nvidia/iwl3945 (at least). Wait patiently for Arch devs to test new kernel and to make sure that it woks properly.

skottish

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

1) nvidia drivers will not install on 2.6.29 due to changes in the recent kernels (easy fix though, no need to wait for nvidia do release a patch). Currently to make this work you need to clean nv.c from "owner" comments

One can always install the driver from the repos (testing). The Arch nvidia driver has been working since the day 2.6.29 hit testing.

Yaro

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Registered: 2009-04-03

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

Any idea when 2.6.29 will be dropped into [main]? I'm hoping we'll get it in there before Ubuntu's next version releases.

1) nvidia drivers will not install on 2.6.29 due to changes in the recent kernels (easy fix though, no need to wait for nvidia do release a patch). Currently to make this work you need to clean nv.c from "owner" comments
2) since 2.6.29-git9 problems with iwl3945 however I admit that I did not investigated this thoroughly, so it may be simple change in the kernel config.

so I would not be so anxious to get this installed unless you can fix it or you don't need nvidia/iwl3945 (at least). Wait patiently for Arch devs to test new kernel and to make sure that it woks properly.

I have no use whatsoever for wireless. I just use the faster and much more reliable ethernet, since I have a tower sitting right next to my router.

It strikes me as odd that there's no working nvidia drivers for the new kernel release. They always seem to have drivers ready BEFORE new kernels arrive.

wonder

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

nvidia is working great with 2.6.29. don't know what @broch is talking about.

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Yaro

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

nvidia is working great with 2.6.29. don't know what @broch is talking about.

In that case I don't have any problems. Perhaps I'll TEMPORARILY enable [testing] just to install 2.6.29. Thoughts?

wonder

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

sure Yaro. now in testing there is nothing that can break your system, even xorg is stable enough.

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broch

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

nvidia is working great with 2.6.29. don't know what @broch is talking about.

I understand that you don't know what I am talking about, that is o.k.
nvidia driver does not compile for 2.6.29-git8 and up. That is because references to "owner" have been removed from 2.6.29-git8 (which is described on lkml).
So while it works with 2.6.29, driver will refuse to install with latest kernel.

on the other hand changes to iwl3945 from 2.6.29-git9/10 were not submitted to 2.6.29.1

skottish

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

nvidia is working great with 2.6.29. don't know what @broch is talking about.

I understand that you don't know what I am talking about, that is o.k.
nvidia driver does not compile for 2.6.29-git8 and up. That is because references to "owner" have been removed from 2.6.29-git8 (which is described on lkml).
So while it works with 2.6.29, driver will refuse to install with latest kernel.

on the other hand changes to iwl3945 from 2.6.29-git9/10 were not submitted to 2.6.29.1

I'm not trying to argue with you; I'm just trying to understand. The nvidia driver (180.44) does build and install against the 2.6.29 kernel that I have on my system right now (from testing). I just rebuilt the driver to check to see if there was some sort of Arch magic and there's not. That means that the version in testing works and the one I just built works. Am I missing what you're saying?

Yaro

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Registered: 2009-04-03

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

nvidia is working great with 2.6.29. don't know what @broch is talking about.

I understand that you don't know what I am talking about, that is o.k.
nvidia driver does not compile for 2.6.29-git8 and up. That is because references to "owner" have been removed from 2.6.29-git8 (which is described on lkml).
So while it works with 2.6.29, driver will refuse to install with latest kernel.

on the other hand changes to iwl3945 from 2.6.29-git9/10 were not submitted to 2.6.29.1

I'm not trying to argue with you; I'm just trying to understand. The nvidia driver (180.44) does build and install against the 2.6.29 kernel that I have on my system right now (from testing). I just rebuilt the driver to check to see if there was some sort of Arch magic and there's not. That means that the version in testing works and the one I just built works. Am I missing what you're saying?

I am confused, too. I suppose I could just install kernel 2.6.29 from testing and see what happens.

pharcyde

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Registered: 2009-03-13

Posts: 88

Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

I understand that you don't know what I am talking about, that is o.k.
nvidia driver does not compile for 2.6.29-git8 and up. That is because references to "owner" have been removed from 2.6.29-git8 (which is described on lkml).
So while it works with 2.6.29, driver will refuse to install with latest kernel.

on the other hand changes to iwl3945 from 2.6.29-git9/10 were not submitted to 2.6.29.1

I'm not trying to argue with you; I'm just trying to understand. The nvidia driver (180.44) does build and install against the 2.6.29 kernel that I have on my system right now (from testing). I just rebuilt the driver to check to see if there was some sort of Arch magic and there's not. That means that the version in testing works and the one I just built works. Am I missing what you're saying?

I am confused, too. I suppose I could just install kernel 2.6.29 from testing and see what happens.

2.6.29 works fine for me from [testing], but I have nvidia problems when compiling it myself - did not feel like dealing with it at the moment.

Last edited by pharcyde (2009-04-04 01:52:20)

broch

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

see above
1) install 2.6.29
2) update to 2.6.29-git10
3) install nvidia driver

kernel changes:
http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux … 03602.html

nvidia failed build references:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?s=97 … ntry525285
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthr … .6.29-git8

2.6.29 is not 2.6.29-git

^^^^          ^^^^^

I am confused, too. I suppose I could just install kernel 2.6.29 from testing and see what happens.

2.6.29 has a bug which you may or may not see but check changelog. I believe that devs want to test 2.6.29.1 this is based on git which have problems with nvidia (or the other way around)

Last edited by broch (2009-04-04 02:58:28)

skottish

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

Thanks broch, I see what you mean now and I clearly was misunderstanding. I was reading as 2.6.29 rc-{8,9,10}.

broch

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

that is fine, I did not want to cause any problems, just trying to explain why it is worth to wait (for impatient). Eventually new kernel 2.6.29.x well tested will be available. I doubt that most of users would like to go and edit some files in nvidia sources. But I can imagine big upset because one can't get nvidia to work.
Arch is so robust, because it is thoroughly  tested.

wonder

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

ah...i didn't understood. thx for the links

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pogeymanz

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

Can someone explain what KMS does? I did a quick google and I can see it has something to do with graphic performance, but everything else was a little too specific. What does it do and why is it better than what we have now?

big_gie

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Registered: 2005-01-19

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

Kernel Mode Setting (KMS):
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=search&q=KMS
http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_29#h … 79a66509d1

Last edited by big_gie (2009-04-04 17:08:57)

pogeymanz

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

Wow, this sounds great! Now I see what all the excitement is about. I always did hate that you had to have root permission to run X.

big_gie

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Re: Linux Kernel 2.6.29 released!

Yes it is great I'm really eager to have it working. But it might take some time until it's stabilized...