conversation about kde 4.3 rc and kde-unstable repository

mechmg93 · 2009-06-29 11:50:57

I created this new thread to talk about the upcoming kde 4.3 and especially to talk about technical stuff, suggestions, bugs and workarounds for all of us who already use the [kde-unstable] repository.

Let's begin...

I installed kde 4.2.95 to my archlinux 64 combined with the new qt 4.5.2 from testing which contains the kde-qt patches. In general everything would be fine if i didn't have a very annoying bug that causes plasma-desktop to crash randomly.

I filled a bug report to kde-bugs, and i was told that fortunately this bug is already fixed upstream.

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198208

Except for this, everything is faster, smoother and i believe that kde 4.3 will be the best 4.X desktop until now.

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kensai · 2009-06-29 12:29:55

mechmg93 wrote:

Except for this, everything is faster, smoother and i believe that kde 4.3 will be the best 4.X desktop until now.

Nah, kde 4.4 will be better.

Well, all in all 4.3rc1 has been very nice, and has fixed a whole lot of bugs that were present in the beta stages. I am very pleased with this release, as it is a very conservative upgrade that polished kde4 to a new level, and adds some discreet features that were badly needed all along. I think the whole lot of rc1 packages need to be upgraded in kde-unstable, since aseigo said that most of the problems we are having are constantly being fixed upstream even tough we are using the rc1 they are updating it frequently.

mechmg93 · 2009-06-29 13:04:12

kensai wrote:

I think the whole lot of rc1 packages need to be upgraded in kde-unstable, since aseigo said that most of the problems we are having are constantly being fixed upstream even tough we are using the rc1 they are updating it frequently.

I searched for the pkgbuilds in order to create the whole set of packages myself, but i did not found them, so i hope that the arch devs update the packages as soon as possible

mechmg93 · 2009-06-29 15:39:09

i just did a pacman -Syu and as i see 4.2.95-2 is ready for kdepim. So i guess that the remaining packages are expected.

jerik · 2009-06-29 16:34:03

Is it possible to activate testing, install KDE4RC1, and then deactivate tesing so that my other software is not so bleeding edge?

mechmg93 · 2009-06-29 16:38:08

jerik wrote:

Is it possible to activate testing, install KDE4RC1, and then deactivate tesing so that my other software is not so bleeding edge?

Technically, testing isn't needed. There is no package depedency that leads to the need of testing repo. You can install kde from kde unstable, using core, extra and community repos.

In my system, i only enabled testing in order to install qt 4.5.2 because of the existance of kde-qt pathes in it.

jerik · 2009-06-29 16:47:30

Oh, never knew there existed such a repo... where do I find this?

jerik · 2009-06-29 17:03:39

OK, I found this one http://ftp.sh.cvut.cz/MIRRORS/arch/kde- … e/os/i686/

So, just enable and update? That's all?

mechmg93 · 2009-06-29 17:09:16

jerik wrote:

OK, I found this one http://ftp.sh.cvut.cz/MIRRORS/arch/kde- … e/os/i686/
So, just enable and update? That's all?

I don't know if updating is the appropriate method. I previously had kdemod installed so i prefered to completely uninstall at first, and then install kde from kde-unstable.

Solid1986Snake · 2009-06-29 18:14:57

Well, is it a bug or a feature that only strigi is writing in .kde folder.... all other kde4 apps are writing in .kde4..

I also get a lot of crashes with strigi and the runner seems to find "nothing"... but could be due to the inde in .kde I think?

venky80 · 2009-06-29 18:25:18

could someone post the exact repository detail for kde-unstable?

Pierre · 2009-06-29 18:31:03

kde-unstable should only be used together with testing and by those who know how to handle it. That includes reading arch-dev-public.

venky80 · 2009-06-29 18:32:35

I was searching arch-dev-public messages for the details...could not find one, but will keep looking thanks

mechmg93 · 2009-06-29 18:38:28

venky80 wrote:

could someone post the exact repository detail for kde-unstable?

just add as first repository at /etc/pacman.conf the following lines :

[kde-unstable]
# Add your preferred servers here, they will be used first
Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist

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Mazur · 2009-06-29 18:41:19

I am using [kde-unstable] on Vmware and it works awesome. Splitted Packages are greater than those all in [extra].

baghera · 2009-06-30 14:43:56

I can't understand how those meta-packages work. I mean, if we have splitted packages, it is supposed that I can install kdenetwork-kget without installing kdenetwork-kopete too, or having only few pkgs from kdegames; but that way I have to remove the meta-package for kdenetwork or kdegames. That way I will also have the pkgs still on my system marked as "installed as dependency", which is annoying to me.
So my first question is: are these meta-packages provided only for this upgrade in order to have a smooth upgrade process? Or will they always be in [extra]?
I also read in arch-dev-public that using these meta-packages we won't miss new packages added between two major upgrades (i.e. 4.3 -> 4.4 for example). So my second question is: if they're supposed to be always installed on my system, how can I actually have only few pkgs from a kde module? Every meta-pkg depends on each package of the module.

Hope I've been clear enough, and sorry for such a long post

Bye!

Pierre · 2009-06-30 15:12:55

I don't get your question. Meta pacakges are needed for a smooth update and for those who don't care about split packages. If you want split packages you don't install meta packages. (or remove them after update)

baghera · 2009-06-30 15:45:45

Ok I get it now. It just seems a little bit messy to me, since the "new feature" is splitted packages, but I actually have to upgrade and remove what I don't need (or just do a clean install) to get it. Anyway it seems the best way to handle the upgrade without breaking everything, so thank you for your work

Pierre · 2009-06-30 16:18:10

I wrote some more information on the wiki. But don't forget what unstable and unofficial means:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:KDE
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/KDE_Packages
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dev … itting_KDE

venky80 · 2009-06-30 16:28:12

the one issue with splitted package is that you now have shit load of packages installed in your system and if you go by picking the packages you want there is chance you will miss out on the whole KDE experience

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Pierre · 2009-06-30 16:55:55

That's why there are the meta packages. If you use those you have exactly the same experience you have now with the monolithic packages.

Solid1986Snake · 2009-06-30 19:02:29

Sorry, again.... does strigi work for anyone?

Whether through dolphin's searchbar nor through krunner I can't find files....but index is greater than 100Mb...

So, anyone else?

DsTr · 2009-07-01 18:06:02

I installed kde from kde-unstable repo and amarok missing icons

PS Sorry for my english

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broch · 2009-07-01 21:09:53

kde 4 is really disappointing, definitely a step back from KDE 3.5 in terms of usability and ability to configure. Even some security options available in kde 3.5 are missing now.

1) kick-off "recently used" should have an option to set to 0 (available in kde 3.5), one can clean it manually of course but then before finishing session user needs to remember and clean recently used tab, thank God for classic menu option
2) nepomuk, no way to kill this unless add script to Autostart folder
3) configuration settings are less clear and have less options configuration than
4) I don't know how someone can say that KDE 4 is faster or uses less memory than kde 3.5 (kde 4 ~160MB vs kde 3.5 ~85MB)
5) kde 4 apps are less usable than kde 3 apps (e.g. k3b, amarok), some do not comply to graphical uniformity (e.g. KSCD)

after a year of releasing first official version, kde 4 is still in early beta stage.

mindfall · 2009-07-02 00:38:03

Just out of interest, has the Qt Phonon <=> Kde Phonon clash been resolved? Is a Phonon-enabled Qt possible now in Arch?

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