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#1 2009-11-23 18:03:10

rune0077
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libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

Hey. Upgrading my system, I find that gstreamer0.10-bad-plugins now depends on vdpau. But trying to install vdpau, I get this message from pacman:

libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils. Remove nvidia-utils? [Y/n]

I can't actually remove nvidia-utils, since the nvidia package depends on that, which would leave me without a driver for my graphics card. As of now, I've removed the gstreamer plugin, but wouldn't it (or shouldn't it) somehow be possible to have both nvidia-utils and vdpau installed at the same time?

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#2 2009-11-23 18:12:19

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

you have nvidia-utils in ignorepkg? nvidia-utils should be updated to -2 and it will work.


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#3 2009-11-23 18:32:56

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

wonder wrote:

you have nvidia-utils in ignorepkg? nvidia-utils should be updated to -2 and it will work.

Ah yes, I do, 'coz X crashes with latest nvidia and the new xorg server (same problem as many others seem to be having). Oh well, there's my problem for me right there. Thanks.

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#4 2009-11-23 18:39:04

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

http://repos.archlinux.org/wsvn/package … diff&rev=0

modify your nvidia-utils and then recompile libvdau. is the only thing that you can do with previous version of nvidia-utils.


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#5 2009-11-23 21:42:23

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

I was afraid you'd say something like that smile

Instead, I just ran a full update, and the crashes seems to have been fixed (at least, none have occured). So I've good gstreamer and nvidia now. Thanks for your input, much appreciated.

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#6 2009-11-24 10:03:05

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

Please, don't change the file layout in a minor package upgrade. nvidia-utils-190.42-2 breaks my mplayer build.
Oh, and the least one could do in that case is provide a changelog.

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#7 2009-11-24 10:27:04

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

apaige wrote:

Please, don't change the file layout in a minor package upgrade. nvidia-utils-190.42-2 breaks my mplayer build.
Oh, and the least one could do in that case is provide a changelog.

not really. just install libvdpau


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#8 2009-11-24 10:40:57

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

wonder wrote:

not really. just install libvdpau

If that indeed solves the problem, make it mentionned upon installation! And I still don't think it's reasonable to include such a change in a minor upgrade.

On a sidenote, I'm getting tired of multiple minor upgrades every other day for certain packages, like libmysqlclient lately. I take it they stem from bug reports, but isn't that what [testing] is for? Without deltas, it makes me download the whole package every time, which, on my 3G connection (the only means of internet access available to me right now), is a real PITA. 11MiB for nvidia-utils is really problematic.

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#9 2009-11-24 10:57:17

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

3G connection for Arch updates ? Oh my... .... ... don't.

Pacman does support delta updates though, but it isn't proper on a rolling distro.

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#10 2009-11-24 12:56:48

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

flamelab wrote:

3G connection for Arch updates ? Oh my... .... ... don't.

No choice. It is, literally, my only means of accessing the Internet right now. No DSL, no WiFi, no dial-up, nothing.

flamelab wrote:

Pacman does support delta updates though, but it isn't proper on a rolling distro.

Wasn't it dropped altogether? Anyway, no mirror I know of provides deltas.

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#11 2009-11-24 13:58:55

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

apaige wrote:
flamelab wrote:

3G connection for Arch updates ? Oh my... .... ... don't.

No choice. It is, literally, my only means of accessing the Internet right now. No DSL, no WiFi, no dial-up, nothing.

flamelab wrote:

Pacman does support delta updates though, but it isn't proper on a rolling distro.

Wasn't it dropped altogether? Anyway, no mirror I know of provides deltas.

I think the support has been moved to a script, but I don't remember right now. It would help though on project like ArchLinux server I read some weeks ago that a member wants to start.

As for the connection: oh, you are unlucky sad You can't connect because of your location ? Here in Greece, some remote islands can get DSL through satellite (a bit expensive service though).

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#12 2009-11-25 19:15:56

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

does anyone know if the beta drivers (195.22) have an updated libvdpau? the sizes of the files are different on package libvdpau and nvidia-utils-beta (well on the NVIDIA-installer file since the utils package no longer installs vdpau).
what I ended up doing on my PC is re-enable nvidia-utils-beta to install the libvdpau stuff, and add a provides="libvdpau" line to the PKGBUILD (that way the vdpau libs are the same version from the nvidia/utils packages).
i know nvidia wants to have a separate libvdpau package but maybe we need to get it from within the installer for any updated drivers
after installing this way i havent had issues, and it does show the 195.22 version of libvdpau

Last edited by toxygen (2009-11-25 19:21:15)


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#13 2009-11-25 19:21:41

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

toxygen wrote:

does anyone know if the beta drivers (195.22) have an updated libvdpau? the sizes of the files are different on package libvdpau and nvidia-utils-beta (well on the NVIDIA-installer file since the utils package no longer installs vdpau).
what I ended up doing on my PC is re-enable nvidia-utils-beta to install the libvdpau stuff, and add a provides="libvdpau" line to the PKGBUILD (that way the vdpau libs are the same version from the nvidia/utils packages).
i know nvidia wants to have a separate libvdpau package but maybe we need to get it from within the installer for any updated drivers
after installing this way i havent had issues, and it does show the 195.22 version of libvdpau

i don't think they ship libvdpau with the driver anymore


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#14 2009-11-26 09:46:33

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

wonder wrote:

i don't think they ship libvdpau with the driver anymore

yes, they do.  it's in the README file, as well as the changelog.  here are the relevant files (similar to the libvdpau package)

ls NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-195.22-pkg0/usr/lib/

libGL.la         libGLcore.so.195.22  libcuda.so.195.22        libnvidia-compiler.so.195.22  libvdpau.so.195.22  vdpau
libGL.so.195.22  libOpenCL.so.1.0.0   libnvidia-cfg.so.195.22  libnvidia-tls.so.195.22       tls


I cant seem to find too much information on the difference between this and the individual libvdpau package in extra (or is this package made only for Arch?)

[edit] answered my own question, if the vdpau testing tool can be trusted.  I did a test with 195.22 and libvdpau installed, and and then rebuilt the test program with only the files from the 195.22 package I made.  results show negligible differences.

Last edited by toxygen (2009-11-26 10:19:28)


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#15 2009-11-26 14:18:22

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

It will disappear from the driver.
From Aaron Plattner, nvidia employee:

I'm pleased to announce the first release of libvdpau as a standalone
library.  This package contains the libvdpau wrapper library and the
libvdpau_trace debugging library, along with the header files needed
to build VDPAU applications.  To actually use a VDPAU device, you need
a vendor-specific implementation library.  Currently, this is always
libvdpau_nvidia.  You can override the driver name by setting the
VDPAU_DRIVER environment variable.

These files are also currently shipped as part of the NVIDIA driver
package.  We're going to continue to do that for now, but the
long-term goal is to ship only libvdpau_nvidia in that package.

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#16 2009-11-26 15:44:11

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

Not to disparrage Aaron or the good work the nvidia developers do, but whenever they mention their long-term plans I dont hold my breath.  I was just curious if there was any actual documentation (other than the readme) indicating any changes from what's packaged in libvdpau-0.3 and the version found in 195.22.  performance wise i dont think there's much, at least on my card (9500gt).


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#17 2009-11-27 21:33:10

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

Not sure if I should jump in here or not, but the other day when I updated, vdpau stopped working in xbmc. I wasn't sure what to do, so I downgraded nvidia-utils-190.42-2 to -1 and it started working again.

Maybe I need to install libvdpau too?

Should I post this as a bug somewhere?

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#18 2009-11-27 21:40:43

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

tladuke wrote:

Not sure if I should jump in here or not, but the other day when I updated, vdpau stopped working in xbmc. I wasn't sure what to do, so I downgraded nvidia-utils-190.42-2 to -1 and it started working again.

Maybe I need to install libvdpau too?

Should I post this as a bug somewhere?

upgrade to nvidia-utils-190.42-2 and install libvdpau


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#19 2009-11-28 23:06:51

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

There is no bug, as nothing in our repository used the libvdpau library. The fact that you compiled stuff against it yourself is your own concern.

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#20 2009-11-28 23:15:36

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Re: libvdpau conflicts with nvidia-utils

Still, removing libraries from a package in a mere re-build, without so much as a warning, is abusive.

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