Desperate about X freezes with intel card. Help

grey · 2009-11-02 17:21:28

With or without KMS?

pluckypigeon · 2009-11-03 16:26:10

grey wrote:

With or without KMS?

both

gladstone · 2009-11-08 22:49:54

I'm getting the exact error as the OP. I have tried xf86-video-intel-newest and KMS to no avail. Has anyone found a solution?

axl · 2009-11-08 23:21:53

Hey there,

I'm having the same problem with an ATI grf chipset (onboard) and I just set up a notebook for a friend (Kubuntu for him) that freezes, too. What's wrong with X AGAIN?? The notebook is an IBM T42p, so ATI grfx again - seems to be not limited to IBM adaptors apparently.

I can say that it's definitely a grfx problem, my desktop repeatedly freezes for 10 minutes and more, while any sound is running through. Keyboard and mouse are frozen, too, so no reaction to any inputs and no chance to interfere except with a hard reset. My machine is unusable, and so is my friend's notebook.

I truly and whole-heartedly hate Windows, but X is very good at catching up to that. For 5 years I'm constantly struggling with problems that are mostly related to X in any way. Very frsutrating!

I'd appreciate any hint to what the problem actually is...

Thanks,
Axel

grey · 2009-11-08 23:56:57

gladstone:
1. do you also have an 82845 integrated graphics device?
2. How bad is your freeze - can you still get to the tty consoles?
3. How do you start X

gladstone · 2009-11-09 14:33:50

grey wrote:

1. do you also have an 82845 integrated graphics device?

I have an Intel 915:

$ lspci | grep VGA
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)

grey wrote:

2. How bad is your freeze - can you still get to the tty consoles?

The system completely locks up. I cannot switch tty's, no keyboard response (numlock doesn't toggle). Mouse is still responsive as well as sound. I have to use the magic SysRq commands or hard-reset.

grey wrote:

3. How do you start X

using startx like so:

$ cat .bash_profile 
# See /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files for examples.
. $HOME/.bashrc

# Auto-start X at login
if [[ -z "$DISPLAY" ]] && [[ $(tty) = /dev/tty1 ]]; then
    startx
    logout
fi

These downstream bug reports seem relevant:

* FS#14594 - [xf86-video-intel] X.org freezes after a few hours of uptime
* FS#16974 - [xf86-video-intel] 855G: kernel panic with DRI enabled, KMS disabled

Last edited by gladstone (2009-11-09 14:45:19)

legolas558 · 2009-11-09 15:04:54

The only workaround - up to now - is to use the old packages.

I have put them online at:

http://www.iragan.com/linux/old_arch_packages/

Download them into a directory and install with

sudo pacman -U *.gz

PS: remove the new packages before attempting this

Last edited by legolas558 (2009-11-09 15:05:24)

grey · 2009-11-09 16:49:30

You need to downgrade / hold more than that. See http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php? … 55#p652355

Onyros · 2009-11-19 16:50:26

How have you guys been living with this problem? I have an old chipset on my desktop / server, which I've been using more lately, and I've been getting random freezes as well.

It's actually an AOpen cube which has an empty AGP slot and integrated Intel graphics, so I'd consider installing an ATi 2600HD AGP I have lying around if nothing's working (besides downgrading).

This has been problematic ever since the i810 driver became "obsolete".

BTW, and a little OT - how's the ATi 2600HD AGP support these days? I remember the AGP version being way too problematic back when I first bought it.

edit: Just in case anyone searches anything related to the ATi HD2600 Pro AGP - "fuggedaboutit"... It's useless, not supported, impossible to get direct rendering.

So, lucky me: I have two possibilites of displaying graphics in this desktop, neither works well with Arch.

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) --> FTL.

Last edited by Onyros (2009-11-20 00:49:00)

kleofas · 2009-12-01 11:59:56

Hi,

The problem also applies to me, I've got
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)

I've upgraded to latest Xorg from testing and set default depth to 16 in xorg.conf. It seems that X doesn't freezes anymore. I may be wrong, but I'm working pretty intensive on my laptop for over 6h now and no hang at all. Before that I had like... 5 hangs per hour. Pretty much of an improvement for me.

Good luck.

EDIT
It seems that my sens of reliability was based on false feelings. I just got a freeze, so my "solution" is... kind of crappy.

Last edited by kleofas (2009-12-02 14:10:15)

gladstone · 2009-12-02 14:59:20

Can someone post the exact steps they've taken to downgrade xorg/xf86-video-intel?

legolas558 wrote:

The only workaround - up to now - is to use the old packages.
I have put them online at:
http://www.iragan.com/linux/old_arch_packages/
Download them into a directory and install with
sudo pacman -U *.gz
PS: remove the new packages before attempting this

I tried using the above, but X didn't start at all.

Last edited by gladstone (2009-12-02 14:59:34)

andrej.podzimek · 2009-12-06 12:57:47

Has this issue been reported to upstream developers properly? It's surprising that a bug like this remains unresolved for more than half a year. It's just a segmentation fault, so it should not be so difficult to fix.

I tried to hold the old versions of some X.org parts while upgrading the rest of the system, but this is not a viable solution. The Synaptics touchpad stopped working properly. (Scrolling zones work, but you can't click.) More and more packages require new versions of X.org and all upgrades have to be forced. :-(

andrej.podzimek · 2009-12-07 11:46:10

So the freedesktop bugzilla knows about the problem. This has already been reported so many thimes that it's hard to believe the bug still exists: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cg … tel+freeze

If one could vote for those bugs, things would probably move forward faster...

Anyway, it might be helpful if all of you could look for a bug report corresponding to your variation of the problem and add some more information (logs, gdb output and the like) there.

My original bug report is here: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/14594?pr … pened=3107

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