Intel 82845G and xorg 1.8 - anyone got it working?

RJQ · 2010-07-13 05:08:11

I think is important to remark a few facts, as far as I know this particular card has no fix and very probable will have non. I have been followed the bugs related to it in launchpad for ubuntu and the problem seams that kms plays a key role in this, (it does not mean that disableling is going to fix anything at all) Ubuntu already had kind of blacklisted the card in the release notes. This is a xorg/intel issue, no distribution is going to work, arch is using newer kernel/xorg driver wich are slightly more stable (with this video card) than the previous ones. (xorg 1.7 and the 29-33 kernels) any distro with the same type of software is going to behave the same. The improvements on the driver are that (main one) now the system is rebootable after a crash (which in 99 per cent of the cases you can not restart x) from the console when in the previous xorg a hard shut down of the computer was required as the keyboard also freezed. This problem is also by no doubt induced by a series of setups that vary by system and the software used. thus some DE and or WM are more stable than others. Last but not least the video card in this cases (cheap ones integrated in the motherboard) are not nessesarily the same even on the same model.

If by "working" we mean no crashes then I doubt any body has it working by means of fixing it. again my gnome / lxde have been working without a single crash for about 3-4 weeks both systems are as vanilla I as can get them, been newbie I had not a chance to mess up with configurations. again is a workable eviroment now but I will not calle it a 100 per cent working xorg.:rolleyes:

karol · 2010-07-13 05:22:56

@ RJQ
I posted this thread because I've run out of ideas.
I'm quite happy w/ xorg 1.6 & friends, I can hold on to that. xorg 1.8 w/ intel-newest from AUR also isn't that bad.

RJQ · 2010-07-13 15:26:40

@karol
I believe that you dint run out of ideas, we just run out of luck, not trying to be pessimistic but I know that many people is going to find this thread and I was trying to post a summary of a two year struggle experience. if you machine and most important your needs does not require new software then I think you can "happily" keep your system like that. neither is any harm on trying to see if the card is going to breath new air on coming xorg drivers, I have been doing that for a long time now and if it wasn't for arch I would be "stuck" with U-8.04, therefore I think the thread has its value there, but any fix that may come will very likely come by an update and not by a special configuration.

karol · 2010-07-13 18:33:33

> any fix that may come will very likely come by an update and not by a special configuration
I'm afraid you're right.

Upgrading to newer xorg & drivers to check if they fix the crashes and downgrading back to the stable setup is trivial w/ Arch so I keep doing that. I have another (equally old) box w/ nvidia card so I can watch movies / play games if I feel like.

carbonero · 2010-07-13 22:53:55

karol wrote:

Upgrading to newer xorg & drivers to check if they fix the crashes and downgrading back to the stable setup is trivial w/ Arch so I keep doing that. I have another (equally old) box w/ nvidia card so I can watch movies / play games if I feel like.

If you don't mind me asking, was there a mirror with the old xorg packages that you used to install xorg 1.6 or did you save the packages to install xorg 1.6 and friends from a while back? If there's a mirror or something, could you share the link with us? I would really like to make a stable setup if at all possible

karol · 2010-07-13 23:06:39

http://arm.kh.nu/search/
The oldest xorg-server they have is 1.7 (the packages got purged a while ago). I was lucky to keep my 1.6 in the package cache, I can e-mail it to you (it's i686).
You may try to rebuild some old packages using old PKGBUILDs
http://repos.archlinux.org/wsvn/package … &rev=28472

karol · 2010-07-14 19:03:57

I did -Syu today

[karol@black ~]$ whatdidido
[2010-07-14 20:47] starting full system upgrade
[2010-07-14 20:48] upgraded initscripts (2010.06-2 -> 2010.07-1)
[2010-07-14 20:48] upgraded libwebkit (1.2.1-1 -> 1.2.2-1)
[2010-07-14 20:48] upgraded linux-firmware (20100606-1 -> 20100623-2)
[2010-07-14 20:48] upgraded mkinitcpio (0.6.6-1 -> 0.6.7-1)

And things just magically work - I can play videos, scroll in firefox w/o tearing and sloooowness.

Let's see if/when I'll be getting crashes.

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carbonero · 2010-07-14 21:20:38

So I've been using the current setup for the last couple of days, and the gpu hangs (when they do come) come anywhere between 2 to 6 hrs of time while X is running. Chromium still aggrevates the problem within 10 to 15 minutes though.

Though I plan on trying out the latest rc release of 2.6.35 to see if it helps (or does nothing at all) with the errors spit out in the kernel logs.

@karol: would you mind forwarding those xorg packages to my email? I would really appreciate it very much :-) I'm trying to build the packages from those old PKGBUILDs one by one, but just in case it doesn't work there is something else to try before I go back to the way I have everything set up now.

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karol · 2010-07-14 22:53:17

First crash

XIO:  fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0"
      after 215341 requests (215341 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
urxvt: X connection to ':0.0' broken, unable to recover, exiting.
firefox: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
<unknown>: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
xinit:  connection to X server lost.

X just blinked and I landed in the console BUT I was able to simply startx again w/o a reboot.
Firefox performed poorly (high cpu utilization) when viewing pictures like this one http://cms.gram.pl/sites/starcraft2/galleries/5/297.jpg
(this is how it crashed).

After the crash I get

[karol@black ~]$ dmesg | tail
<snip>
[drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung
render error detected, EIR: 0x00000000
[drm:i915_do_wait_request] *ERROR* i915_do_wait_request returns -5 (awaiting 655412 at 655400)

again.
And again opening multiple terminal windows takes ~2sec./window for dwm to reposition.

Overall - not bad but definitely not perfect.

Edit:

after 215341 requests (215341 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

The count is much higher than before - maybe that means xorg is getting better at avoiding crashes :-)

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karol · 2010-07-18 15:08:53

X doesn't crash anymore, but I downgraded to xorg-server 1.6 again, cause there are problems w/ escape sequences or sth. It affects "only" terminal apps: shell, vim, htop, alsamixer ... It changes color of text (black on black anyone?), the cursor disappears unless it's over a character, problems w/ redrawing / refreshing display.
The GPU still hangs fairly often but unaccelerated X is usable.

testing567 · 2010-12-03 16:46:39

I just wanted to point out that this issue seems to have been fixed with the last update of xf86-video-intel as of 2010-11-25. Can anyone else confirm this, or is mine just a fluke? No more GPU crashes for me.

karol · 2010-12-03 16:52:57

Are you talking about xorg 1.8 or xorg 1.9? I'm going to give the new drivers a shot in a couple hours and report back.

testing567 · 2010-12-03 17:28:16

karol wrote:

Are you talking about xorg 1.8 or xorg 1.9? I'm going to give the new drivers a shot in a couple hours and report back.

I'm using xorg 1.9.

karol · 2010-12-04 16:50:16

It's OK for now.
One thing that's certainly much better is opening terminals: they pop out instantly instead of taking 2-3 seconds. Now they're opening as fast as with intel-legacy.

firecat53 · 2010-12-04 17:03:25

Are you able to suspend to RAM and resume successfully? One of the issues I had with this chipset was a nasty flicker that surfaced after a resume from suspend.

Scott

karol · 2010-12-04 17:06:50

firecat53 wrote:

Are you able to suspend to RAM and resume successfully? One of the issues I had with this chipset was a nasty flicker that surfaced after a resume from suspend.
Scott

Ummm, I never did that. It's a desktop and I don't mind keeping it turned on for a couple days. Maybe other users have more experience in that regard.

steve___ · 2010-12-05 03:08:25

firecat53 wrote:

Are you able to suspend to RAM and resume successfully? One of the issues I had with this chipset was a nasty flicker that surfaced after a resume from suspend.
Scott

Try pressing ctrl-alt-F1 and then alt-F7 and see if that clears up your flicker.

karol · 2011-02-03 12:13:16

xf86-video-intel-2.14.0-1-i686 is causing problems

[ 16473.149] (EE) intel(0): Detected a hung GPU, disabling acceleration.

xf86-video-intel-2.13.0-4-i686 is fine.

I'm using xorg-server 1.9.3.901-1.
Looks like the good times are already over <sigh>

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Rupp · 2011-02-14 18:06:58

@karol

I've been following your posts. I have the same video card as you. I also have the same problems you are having. I've noticed mine are getting worse and worse though. The hung GPU error used to just make everything sluggish. I could use it until that bothered me and I would reboot. Now the screen goes black. When it comes back the display is garbled and makes it unusable. So I have to reboot the second it happens. The one thing that bothers me, is that it happens at different times and with different programs open. So I can't replicate it.

Rolling things back no longer really works either. I still get the garbled display regardless of kernel/xorg/intel combo I use. Even if I could get it back to the way it was before, well I would still have the sluggish hung GPU issue. So it wouldn't really solve the main problem.

It isn't Arch's fault, but that problem makes Arch nearly unusable for me. Until Intel does something or I get a video card, I am gonna have to use another distro. Thankfully I have a Slax-Remix frugal install, so I won't have to wipe Arch off the computer. I'll still boot into it to try fixes and update it.. So thanks for documenting your problems and attempted fixes. Much appreciated.

steve___ · 2011-02-14 18:13:20

Since all this has been happening, have used Slax-Remix for an extended period of time? I asked because rolling back packages should work. My guess is you will have the same issues with Slax-Remix. If so then you likely have some bad RAM.

karol · 2011-02-14 18:16:04

I'm currently using

[karol@black ~]$ pacman -Q kernel26 xf86-video-intel xorg-server
kernel26 2.6.36.3-2
xf86-video-intel 2.13.0-4
xorg-server 1.9.4-1

No hung GPU, no flickering, no weird artifacts. Just works.

Can you provide any info from the logs wrt to the garbled display?

Rupp · 2011-02-14 19:20:28

@steve

Had Slax-Remix with an uptime of 4 days last week. No issues with it.

@karol

I am gonna get you the info in a little bit, and try your combination.

karol · 2011-02-14 19:30:30

Check what packages and what versions is your Slax-Remix using. As steve___ noted, downgrading should work, especially when certain setup works for me and you say you have the same card.
I'm using just dwm ontop of X, so if you're using KDE or Gnome, maybe the problem lies in the DE (a wild wild guess).

Rupp · 2011-02-14 20:25:37

@karol

Just changed to your setup

[rupp@mybox ~]$ pacman -Q kernel26 xf86-video-intel xorg-server
kernel26 2.6.36.3-2
xf86-video-intel 2.13.0-4
xorg-server 1.9.4-1

Relevant errors from: /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old

[  3165.827] (EE) intel(0): Detected a hung GPU, disabling acceleration.
[  3179.108] (EE) intel(0): failed to set cursor: Input/output error
[  3189.032] (WW) intel(0): intel_uxa_prepare_access: bo map failed: Input/output error

NOTE: set cursor and uxa input/output errors only began after the latest kernel/xorg/intel combination. That's the same time the garbled & distorted desktop problem started. So safe to assume those errors are tied in with that.

I don't use a DE. Just fluxbox. If I still have the problem, I will switch to openbox or echinus, to see if it could be a fluxbox generated error. Highly unlikely but you never know.

karol · 2011-02-14 20:34:12

This may be relevant: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/22604 although he uses 82946GZ/GL Integrated Graphics Controller.
This seems a rather fresh bug http://groups.google.com/group/linux.de … wc=1&pli=1

Did you restart your computer after the kernel and drivers change?

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