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#26 2010-11-17 17:26:12

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

nbvcxz, agreed on the theme problem; more specially, at least equinox based themes are affected. The panel problem seems to have been solved after deleting ~/.config/xfce* directories.

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#27 2010-11-21 19:27:06

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

exo-devel has been updated to 0.5.5 (package in the repo)

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#28 2010-11-21 22:10:05

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

I wrote a few words about the use of removable devices, shutdown/reboot and hibernate/suspend: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xf … version.29
This is a first draft and some workarounds are used for now.

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#29 2010-11-22 10:10:28

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

magicrhesus wrote:

I wrote a few words about the use of removable devices, shutdown/reboot and hibernate/suspend: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xf … version.29
This is a first draft and some workarounds are used for now.

Could you list what connected components are installed at your system? I already tried earlier setting .pkla files but without any positive effect. Now I use UDISKS with gvfs (including gnome-disk-monitor) and this is operating properly. But in fact it means that disk management is done by gvsf not thunar-volume-manager. Any tips what I can do?


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#30 2010-11-22 10:14:24

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

udev + udisks + upower + consolekit + polkit and those as xfce packages:

[magicrhesus@kerberos.hq.ouranos.be ~]
> pacman -Q | grep devel
exo-devel 0.5.5-2
garcon-devel 0.1.3-4
libxfce4ui-devel 4.7.4-3
libxfce4util-devel 4.7.3-2
terminal-devel 0.4.5-1
thunar-devel 1.1.4-1
thunar-vfs-devel 1.1.0-3
thunar-volman-devel 0.5.2-2
tumbler-devel 0.1.4-2
xfce-utils-devel 4.7.1-2
xfce4-appfinder-devel 4.7.1-1
xfce4-dev-tools-devel 4.7.3-2
xfce4-panel-devel 4.7.4-2
xfce4-session-devel 4.7.1-3
xfce4-settings-devel 4.7.4-2
xfconf-devel 4.7.3-2
xfdesktop-devel 4.7.2-3
xfwm4-devel 4.7.1-3

Last edited by magicrhesus (2010-11-22 10:15:38)

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#31 2010-11-22 10:33:23

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

magicrhesus wrote:

udev + udisks + upower + consolekit + polkit

I don't use consolekit but I don't think it influence on volume management. As marines posted - I am not only person with this problem. Still don't know what could be the reason.
@ magicrhesus - could you show me your pstree? Maybe I don't have some program working

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#32 2010-11-22 10:36:40

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

And did you try with consolekit, I don't think it's linked but just to know

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#33 2010-11-22 10:45:21

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

magicrhesus wrote:

And did you try with consolekit, I don't think it's linked but just to know

Yes - I will make another try (probably I tried when I used Xfce 4.8 compiled from your PKGBUILDS).

Confirmed. Still don't work without GVFS even when I installed and configured consolekit
here is my pstree

init─┬─Terminal─┬─gnome-pty-helpe
     │          ├─zsh───pstree
     │          └─{Terminal}
     ├─Thunar
     ├─acpid
     ├─agetty
     ├─console-kit-dae───4*[{console-kit-da}]
     ├─3*[dbus-daemon]
     ├─dbus-launch
     ├─firefox───11*[{firefox}]
     ├─minilogd
     ├─polkitd───{polkitd}
     ├─slim─┬─X
     │      └─ck-launch-sessi───xfce4-session
     ├─sshd
     ├─udevd───2*[udevd]
     ├─wpa_actiond
     ├─wpa_supplicant
     ├─xfce4-panel─┬─panel-5-systray
     │             ├─xfce4-mixer-plu───2*[{xfce4-mixer-pl}]
     │             └─{xfce4-panel}
     ├─xfce4-settings-
     ├─xfconfd
     ├─xfdesktop
     ├─xfsettingsd
     └─xfwm4

btw. I tried it at my LQX modified kernel as well as ArchLinux standard kernel

--

the only difference from your guide in wiki is that I use:

Identity=unix-group:users

each time, as I want all users to have possibility to manage volumes and power, but again I don't think it is a reason

Last edited by nbvcxz (2010-11-22 11:45:11)


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#34 2010-11-24 12:28:37

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

magicrhesus wrote:

I wrote a few words about the use of removable devices, shutdown/reboot and hibernate/suspend: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xf … version.29
This is a first draft and some workarounds are used for now.

Oh, I missed this post. Instructions on that wiki page got mounting by Thunar working. Thanks. smile

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#35 2010-11-24 12:51:35

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

nbvcxz wrote:
magicrhesus wrote:

And did you try with consolekit, I don't think it's linked but just to know

Yes - I will make another try (probably I tried when I used Xfce 4.8 compiled from your PKGBUILDS).

Confirmed. Still don't work without GVFS even when I installed and configured consolekit

I think you're wrong somewhere, GIO/GVFS is the same (to simplify), you can't have GIO without GVFS (GIO is the library and GVFS the framework).
I still don't understand why you try to do not have GVFS.. ?

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#36 2010-11-24 17:47:05

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

magicrhesus wrote:

I think you're wrong somewhere, GIO/GVFS is the same (to simplify), you can't have GIO without GVFS (GIO is the library and GVFS the framework).
I still don't understand why you try to do not have GVFS.. ?

1. GIO != GVFS and of course you can have gio without gvfs (in ArchLinux gio is a part of glib2 package). You are right - it is a I/O library
2. GVFS 'operates' on top of GIO (see diagram: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gio/stable/ch01.html), and consists of 2 parts: libraries and daemons + supporting programs.  The fact is that during development some features eg. URI recognition was moved from GVFS libs to GIO.

In http://www.xfce.org/documentation/changelogs/4.8pre1 all described functions operate with GIO. The only functions that are mentioned in context of GVFS are trash and remote filesystems. So I still wonder if possible for Thunar to mount drives without GVFS (eg. the manner like new pcmanfm does).

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#37 2010-11-24 21:19:11

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

nbvcxz wrote:
magicrhesus wrote:

I think you're wrong somewhere, GIO/GVFS is the same (to simplify), you can't have GIO without GVFS (GIO is the library and GVFS the framework).
I still don't understand why you try to do not have GVFS.. ?

1. GIO != GVFS and of course you can have gio without gvfs (in ArchLinux gio is a part of glib2 package). You are right - it is a I/O library
2. GVFS 'operates' on top of GIO (see diagram: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gio/stable/ch01.html), and consists of 2 parts: libraries and daemons + supporting programs.  The fact is that during development some features eg. URI recognition was moved from GVFS libs to GIO.

In http://www.xfce.org/documentation/changelogs/4.8pre1 all described functions operate with GIO. The only functions that are mentioned in context of GVFS are trash and remote filesystems. So I still wonder if possible for Thunar to mount drives without GVFS (eg. the manner like new pcmanfm does).

Yes, you're right, I went too fast in my explanations (thanks for the interesting diagram) but for what I know of the new thunar+GIO is that they use GVFS to mount removable medias as well as remote network devices (I may be wrong, I'm not sure of what I say. This is what it seems to be while testing). I think it could be interesting to ask xfce dev. what they exactly implement where and what can be used or not. I'll try to catch one.

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#38 2010-11-26 08:01:42

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

While i686 installation from magicrhesus' repo went ok, there are corruption problems for x86_64, and I had to compile quite a few packages by myself. About half of the repo is broken and has been for a few days, so maybe no one is aware. The affected packages are:

  • terminal-devel (for this one there is no PKGBUILD anywhere, the version is the same of [extra] but it is in the repo)

  • thunar-vfs-devel

  • thunar-vfs-volman

  • tumbler-devel

  • xfce4-appfinder-devel

  • xfce4-dev-tools-devel

  • xfce4-session-devel

  • xfce4-settings-devel

  • xfce-utils-devel

  • xfwm4-devel

Thanks for your work! smile

Last edited by bardo (2010-11-26 08:01:58)


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#39 2010-11-26 08:17:24

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

I have a strange problem Xfce not beeing able to reopen a saved panel session on my notebook. It asks me to open a new panel session. No idea why the saved one won't come up. It doesn't happen on my desktop.

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#40 2010-11-26 15:23:21

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

bardo wrote:

While i686 installation from magicrhesus' repo went ok, there are corruption problems for x86_64, and I had to compile quite a few packages by myself. About half of the repo is broken and has been for a few days, so maybe no one is aware. The affected packages are:

  • terminal-devel (for this one there is no PKGBUILD anywhere, the version is the same of [extra] but it is in the repo)

  • thunar-vfs-devel

  • thunar-vfs-volman

  • tumbler-devel

  • xfce4-appfinder-devel

  • xfce4-dev-tools-devel

  • xfce4-session-devel

  • xfce4-settings-devel

  • xfce-utils-devel

  • xfwm4-devel

Thanks for your work! smile

I just try to reinstall the packages from the x86_64 repository and I got no error, maybe you can try a pacman -Scc to clean the cache first ?

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#41 2010-11-26 15:36:46

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

I created a package called thunar-devel (in fact around the same as the one in extra), it's available in AUR.
I'll put the binary packages in the repos tomorrow

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#42 2010-11-27 15:03:12

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

binaries for thunar-devel are available in the repos

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#43 2010-11-27 15:24:55

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

xfce4-notifyd has been added to the xfce4-devel (on AUR as well as in the repository)

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#44 2010-11-28 17:07:09

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

a patched version of thunar-archive-plugin has been posted on AUR (thunar-archive-plugin-devel)
libxfce4ui and xfwm4 have been updated, the upgrades are available on both AUR and the repository

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#45 2010-12-01 13:50:09

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

I'm still having problems getting volman and reboot/shutdown to work after creating the .pkla files mentioned in the wiki
I'm starting xfce with 'ck-launch-session xfce4-session' in .xinitrc and polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 is running so everything should be fine from my understanding
Any ideas would be appreciated

Oh and thank you magicrhesus for the all the work with the repo smile

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#46 2010-12-01 13:55:52

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

And if you start it with

exec dbus-launch ck-launch-session xfce4-session

Last edited by magicrhesus (2010-12-01 13:56:28)

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#47 2010-12-01 14:57:27

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

this shouldn't be needed. I'm starting with "startx" and "exec ck-launch-session startxfce4" in my ~/.xinitrc. so probably the pkla file is wrong.

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#48 2010-12-01 15:33:10

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

magicrhesus wrote:

And if you start it with

exec dbus-launch ck-launch-session xfce4-session

I already had eval 'dbus-launch' in my .xinitrc so I was skeptical at first but apparenly that worked.
Thanks for the quick reply smile

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#49 2010-12-01 17:27:33

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

Actually I spoke too soon. Looks like that only fixed volume management. shutting down and rebooting still doesn't work
The pkla file is identical with the one in wiki and my user is in power group. am I missing something?

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#50 2010-12-02 14:12:06

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Re: Xfce 4.8 pre1

Is upower installed ?

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