XGL., anyone wanna join the ride?

mtrivs · 2006-02-13 05:29:02

How easy will it be to upgrade to xorg 7 when it is out of testing? Also, did you just say that XGL will be included with xorg7? That would be sweet!!!

jesus franco · 2006-02-13 13:02:14

XGL is not included in xorg 7. Xorg 7 is already out.
What he said is xgl will be apart of the next xorg release. xorg7.1 (maybe)
It's already in a branch in cvs so it makes sence to be included in future releases.

mtrivs · 2006-02-13 17:49:15

xorg 7 is only out in testing tho rite? If its out of testing, i will grab it.....

rasta · 2006-02-13 18:14:19

Just had to brag somewhere: I've finally since a few hours got Xgl + compiz running on my Arch Linux system! Don't expect a PKGBUILD or any instructions from me though, i'm a quite new Arch user and don't want to cause confusion or destroy stuff for you. I'm sure I'm not the only one succeeded building it on Arch but i just felt so proud sitting and rolling around the Cube
This is just for letting you know it works even on Arch (and teasing you a littlebit)
It's just so nice.

rezza · 2006-02-13 18:41:44

OK, I am a little confused as to what it actually is that I keep seeing in these Xgl videos - for starters they all seem to use gnome, and there's no way I'm going to start using gnome to get any of the funky effects. Are the wobbles dependant on a window manager, or do they just come from having Compiz running? Can I use Xgl and the weird effects it has without using gnome? Does it have to run nested inside another X server, or can I use it from startx?

Thanks in advance for any shedding of light.

rasta · 2006-02-13 18:49:48

Personally i'm running it with all the effects on XFCE, which works nice, but you have to install some gnome packages to be able to build gnome-window-decorator that runs with compiz, while you're not dependent on gnome to actually run Xgl. You're right about that in all the videos they use Gnome. I would have posted a video here of me running it on Xfce if i had anywhere to host it.
The effects are as of now dependant on gnome-window-decorator as mentioned, and compiz. I have successfully run it in both a nested X server in a window, and in fullscreen using a startx-like script.

rezza · 2006-02-13 19:03:16

OK thanks for that rasta, one final question:

What exactly is gnome-window-decorator and what does it do?

Cerebral · 2006-02-13 19:28:00

Ah, composite. I use fglrx, which doesn't support composite. So screwed.

rasta · 2006-02-13 19:49:26

Cerebral wrote:

Ah, composite. I use fglrx, which doesn't support composite. So screwed.

Actually you're not. I'm running this on a Radeon 9800 Pro - although yet without dri acceleration, still it runs quite smoothly, maybe a little CPU-heavy. But from what i've heard, both ATI and NVIDIA are working on native support for Xgl-stuff in their drivers, so i'll guess most of us will have to try to have some patience.

jesus franco · 2006-02-13 20:08:55

rasta wrote:

Cerebral wrote:
Ah, composite. I use fglrx, which doesn't support composite. So screwed.
Actually you're not. I'm running this on a Radeon 9800 Pro - although yet without dri acceleration, still it runs quite smoothly, maybe a little CPU-heavy. But from what i've heard, both ATI and NVIDIA are working on native support for Xgl-stuff in their drivers, so i'll guess most of us will have to try to have some patience.

What type of system are you running this on?
Specs please
I assume your using software opengl if you have a ati card. Are you using mesa-cvs?
Thanks in advance.

rasta · 2006-02-13 20:27:08

jesus franco wrote:

What type of system are you running this on?
Specs please
I assume your using software opengl if you have a ati card. Are you using mesa-cvs?
Thanks in advance.

Ok, here are my specs:
- AMD Athlon XP 2700+
- 1024mb RAM
- ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
- using mesa-cvs, xgl with tag xgl-0-0-1 from cvs,
Also from CVS: glitz, libsvg, libsvg-cairo, cairo, compiz

Good luck to all the PKGBUILD:ers out there!

dpc · 2006-02-13 21:29:18

I'm interested in speedup. I've got i810 inside and I wish it to do something. Thouse neat efects are fine, but not realy useful for me. But this speedup ...

... anybody can comment it?

WillySilly · 2006-02-13 21:30:58

rasta, when you built xgl did you by chance disable the compile of xorg?

rasta · 2006-02-13 21:42:08

WillySilly wrote:

rasta, when you built xgl did you by chance disable the compile of xorg?

I used almost the same arguments as in the latest overlay from hanno:

./autogen.sh --prefix=/opt/fdo --enable-glx --enable-dri --enable-xkb --enable-xgl --enable-xglx --disable-xorg --disable-xprint --disable-dmx --disable-xvfb --disable-xnest

Unfortunately my .bash_history is now cluttered with gnome-window-manager and compiz-related stuff, so i wouldn't be able to reproduce each step i took to make a succesful build. Feel free to ask more about my build procedure.

The_Nerd · 2006-02-13 22:51:57

on behalf of rasta i will be posting a video that he took of his xgl desktop shortly. my upload rate isnt much since i'm hosting the file from my home cable line, but the server can handle the traffic fine (lets just hope modem doesnt crash). enjoy

heres the link

http://the-nerd.servehttp.com/hosted/p1010003.mov

rasta · 2006-02-13 22:59:21

The capture is made on a crappy digital camera and isn't very exciting at all, it just proves this is working on Arch.
I will try to make a better capture tomorrow (going to bed now), and I would be very grateful if somebody had a tips on a screen capture application that works in Xgl (xvidcap does not), because using the digicam it's hardly worth to look at. Gnite!
/rasta

aneas · 2006-02-14 00:09:30

I can confirm that Xgl can be build and runs on ArchLinux (ati radeon 9700 mobility). It's fun to watch those windows wobbling across the screen, but after a time it causes a headache... Xgl / compiz is indeed very cute . I probably will have some time thursday evening to finalize my pkgbuilds, but i cant promise nothing...

The_Nerd · 2006-02-14 00:23:27

yea i'm looking foward to the new alt-tab, transparencies and fade in/out. even the expose type effect i might use. but hopefully some more interesting effects come out for compiz. i believe its built so that plugins can be loaded easily so i look foward to some more interesting, and less headaching effects.

WillySilly · 2006-02-14 00:45:55

anyone getting:

make[3]: *** No rule to make target `s_fragprog_to_c.c', needed by `s_fragprog_to_c.lo'.  Stop.

Cimi · 2006-02-14 00:47:54

WillySilly wrote:

anyone getting:

make[3]: *** No rule to make target `s_fragprog_to_c.c', needed by `s_fragprog_to_c.lo'.  Stop.

I'm ttying...

Ryochan7 · 2006-02-14 00:48:03

rasta wrote:

The capture is made on a crappy digital camera and isn't very exciting at all, it just proves this is working on Arch.
I will try to make a better capture tomorrow (going to bed now), and I would be very grateful if somebody had a tips on a screen capture application that works in Xgl (xvidcap does not), because using the digicam it's hardly worth to look at. Gnite!
/rasta

A video that was posted ealier does show that xvidcap works with Xgl. The terminal window that xvidcap was started in can be seen through some of the video. The beginning also clearly shows which command line parameters were used. Here is a link to the video.

http://www.webalice.it/cimi86/gnome/xgl_gray.avi

I tried to install Xgl with no success. I hope that somebody does manage to make a PKGBUILD for Xgl. My local area LUG will be having an installfest in a little over a month and I would like to show off Xgl.

rasta · 2006-02-14 06:30:53

WillySilly wrote:

anyone getting:

make[3]: *** No rule to make target `s_fragprog_to_c.c', needed by `s_fragprog_to_c.lo'.  Stop.

Oh yes, that's one of the many errors I remember from yesterday night. Just use one of the patches from this package: http://dev.gentoo.org/~hanno/xgl-overla … 20.tar.bz2
(xgl/x11-base/xgl/files/xgl-mesa-makefile.diff)
It's not there in the newest overlay, don't know why...maybe it's fixed in the latest CVS, but when I compiled it I used that patch.
Keep up the work!

Pajaro · 2006-02-14 09:23:49

anyone is planning to add it to aur? if not, at least a wiki?

mtrivs · 2006-02-14 11:05:21

This requires Xorg7 rite, if so i might try it out..........

Vins · 2006-02-14 11:15:55

ok, It seems a lot of people are trying to get XGL working......

There are already deb packages and gentoo ebuild over the internet.
I'd like to help, but I'm stuck with the Xorg 7.0 compilation from the CVS. Did someone succed in compiling it? How?

Thanks.

ViNS

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