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#26 2006-02-20 17:18:27

Euphoric Nightmare
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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

mac57 wrote:

Ahhhh.... you are right, I *completely* failed to mention FTP clients (or servers for that matter). And thanks for the suggestion of sciTE. I have not heard of it before, but I will check it out.

For FTP clients, I have to admit that at present, my picks would be:
- command line ftp command - VERY lightweight at fast!   big_smile
- mc's ftp capability (this is what I use mc for the most!
- similar to mc, both XNC and tuxcmd have an ftp capbility

gFTP is of course always an option, but the integrated file manager approach taken by mc and others is very powerful.

lftp!

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#27 2006-02-20 18:07:46

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

mutt kicks pine's butt in my book. It has tons more features, lets you use your editor of choice for composing, and is not evil(tm). It did take me three tries (spread over a year or two) to convert from pine the first time because configuring to my taste wasn't quite as easy, but after I spent the necessary time to make it fly, I never looked back. This is very much like when I finally decided that "this time around I will not give up learning vim". I have not had emacs installed on my home computer since that day. It takes a little more effort to learn the greatest Unix tools, but for things you use every day it clearly pays off in the long run.


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#28 2006-02-20 20:01:15

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

bogomipz wrote:

mutt kicks pine's butt in my book. It has tons more features, lets you use your editor of choice for composing

I've been using pine for over 6 years, and since day one I've had it set up to use vim as my editor for composing emails.

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#29 2006-02-20 20:28:10

sash
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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

I'd say the best LnF cd-burning program is graveman.  Best LnF image/thumbnail viewer is ImageMagick's display.

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#30 2006-02-20 22:54:07

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

sash wrote:

I'd say the best LnF cd-burning program is graveman.  Best LnF image/thumbnail viewer is ImageMagick's display.

gimmage (in community) is nice too. needs a little polishing, but the download is less than 50kb.


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#31 2006-02-21 03:17:04

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

bogomipz wrote:

This is very much like when I finally decided that "this time around I will not give up learning vim". I have not had emacs installed on my home computer since that day. It takes a little more effort to learn the greatest Unix tools, but for things you use every day it clearly pays off in the long run.

Try that with ed. It is certainly one of the greatest unix tools of all time  big_smile

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#32 2006-02-21 04:27:51

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#33 2006-02-21 04:44:02

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

I am so glad that no one suggested emacs as an LnF editor. This is not a flame - I used emacs for years, before switching to vi and its various clones, and now to ve. I have always said that emacs isn't an editor, its a way of life! If you don't understand, you haven't used it enough!  big_smile

Re ImageMagik's "display", how do you make it do thumbnails? This was not obvious to me, either from the scanty man page or from the much more extensive "display -help".


Cast off the Microsoft shackles Jan 2005

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#34 2006-02-21 05:24:11

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

mac, check out the first post on every month's screenshot thread.

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#35 2006-02-21 05:51:48

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

If we talking about LnF web browser, its links 2 smile


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#36 2006-02-21 07:21:37

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

arooaroo wrote:

I've been using pine for over 6 years, and since day one I've had it set up to use vim as my editor for composing emails.

Ok, didn't know pine could do that. I still love mutt more though  big_smile


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#37 2006-02-26 12:16:18

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

If want a fast and responsive desktop then try using a live distro and boot 'toram' or 'copy2ram'.

The combination of your lightweight applications with a RAMDISC distro would be even better!

My favourite ramdisc distro is SLAX .. but I am hoping Archie will catch up soon with the next release! Puppy and DSL are also worth a quick test but they are only 60Mb distros so they have a few limitations.

(BTW even KDE QT apps are ultra responsive and instant with a ramdisc distro).

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#38 2006-02-27 01:29:36

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

aterm
icewm
menumaker
xchat
xzgv
xfe
opera
xpdf
numlockx
xscreensaver
ee (for writing articles)
nano
pine

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#39 2006-03-13 11:17:10

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

pcmanfm is a very nice filemanager. it's rather new and needs some working, but works really nice even now. loved it from the time i found it :>

a PKGBUILD is in aur.

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#40 2006-03-13 17:30:17

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

It looks very nice, Ima try it. Great opportunity to try out aurbuild also smile

EDIT: looks a LOT like thunar... in fact, I can't really see many difference, except some cosmetic ones. I suppose the tabs are about the only thing.


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#41 2006-03-13 23:05:35

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

As for window managers, I'm happy w/ ion3. I always use tiled ws, optimizing screen space usage. Its keyboard friendly features allow me to leave the annoying touchpad alone. Who needs icons anyway? 8)
The more I'm familiar w/ arch the more I love command line apps.
A world famous architect once said "Less is more". I agree.

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#42 2006-03-14 00:16:48

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

No less is per definition "less". But if you mean that one might get a higher functionality and usefulness out of less WhIzBANG!!1 or obscure functions in an application.. and instead focus on the bare functionailty needed; then you might have a point. or maybe not, haven't thought it over.

i'm sorry, i'm just tired of vague statements hmm and tired..


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#43 2006-03-14 14:40:15

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

Then how come the cli tool 'less' has more features than 'more'?

It clearly has to be because "less is more". Or maybe it is because while more only lets you scroll down (see more of the file), less lets you scroll up as well (see.. uhm.. less of the file).


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#44 2006-03-14 17:02:06

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

"less is more" concept was developed by minimalistic architecture: form follows function; form is stripped from everything but what allows to perform function, resulting in refined aesthetics.
I guess we can apply that concept to computing.
Anyway, here's what I have in my laptop:
wm: ion3
mail: mutt
web: firefox
mmedia: mplayer (no gui)
text: vim
pdf: xpdf
cd&music: aplay, mpg123,cdrtools (command line, no frontend)
torrents: ctorrent
photo viewer: qiv and gqview
digital camera: gphoto2 (command line)
organizer: hnb and pal
spreadsheet: gnumeric
documents: abiword

this is what I use in a daily basis.
cheers!

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#45 2006-03-15 00:37:12

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

Woow, what a nice thread big_smile

Just might add rtorrent to share .torrent files like Arch ISOs. I run it for months with 10 to 30 files up to 4.4 GB, as it's just KISS from top to bottom. It launches very fast in a (screen) console, never takes more than 0.8% of my RAM, & I recently discovered that i can put "High", "normal" & "do not download" with the cursor then a pression on the spacebar big_smile

Also Arch + compiled archck kernel & e17-cvs : my old laptop love their speed & super low memory consumption (29 MB total smile )

As I started computer on a Psion Series5 with 24MB total memory for Office, Pics & internet apps, & no crash in 3 years & I never liked the way some desktop environnements want to bloat my HDD, drive or CPU, & I won't mention that winXP !

EDIT : Actually the Dell laptop has a 20 MB memory footprint with e17-cvs fully loaded with ~6 modules (9MB without X big_smile ) now with self-compiled Archck kernel...


Seeded week #28: Arch 25 gig (stock 12, Talking 1, Anywhere 11, Apricity 1)
Desktop @3.30GHz 8 gig RAM, Arch linux-ck
laptop1 Atom 2 gig RAM, Arch linux stock i686 (5+H battery smile) & 2: ARM Tegra K1 4 gig RAM, ChrOS
Atom Z520 2 gig RAM, OMV (Debian 7) kernel 3.16 bpo on SDHC | PGP Key: 0xFF0157D9

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#46 2006-03-16 18:10:24

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

kozaki wrote:

I won't mention that winXP !

dude, you just did  :twisted:


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#47 2006-03-20 15:08:04

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

For the people who don't want to use xcalc (because need binary/hex output, as is my case) but can't stand the dependencies associated with gcalctool or kcalc, I suggest galculator. To illustrate what I mean:

[augusto@escher ~]$ sudo pacman -S gcalctool

Targets: libgnomecanvas-2.12.0-2 portmap-5beta-9 fam-2.7.0-8 libxslt-1.1.15-1
         docbook-xsl-1.69.1-1 scrollkeeper-0.3.14-4 gnome-common-2.12.0-1
         orbit2-2.12.4-1 libbonobo-2.10.1-1 gconf-2.12.1-1
         gnome-mime-data-2.4.2-1 dbus-0.50-8 hal-0.5.6-1 pmount-0.9.9-1
         libdaemon-0.10-1 nss-mdns-0.7-4 avahi-0.6.7-1 smbclient-3.0.21c-1
         gnome-vfs-2.12.2-3 libgnome-2.12.0.1-1 libbonoboui-2.10.1-2
         gnome-keyring-0.4.6-1 libgnomeui-2.12.0-1 gcalctool-5.6.31-1

Total Package Size:   18.0 MB

Proceed with upgrade? [Y/n] nnnnN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now try pacman -S galculator and see what it depends on  wink

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#48 2006-03-20 15:50:27

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

Ah, I almost forgot: my current configuration has 8 urxvt's launched from the beginning of the X session. Migrating from simple urxvt to urxvtd/urxvtc definately lowered my ram usage quite a bit.

Just add "urxvtd&" to your .xinitrc and launch urxvtc instead of urxvt. Simple but does wonders!

Only downside is that if the daemon crashes, you're pretty much screwed out of terminals. Hasn't happened to me so far, though.

(Right now fluxbox running 8x urxvtc, Firefox, Thunderbird, gaim, mpd + ncmpc and conky adds up to 110mb ram. I <3 Arch :oops:)

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#49 2006-03-22 10:02:42

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

I got some great program ideas here smile
Here is one of my favorite light program: Umlet for planning before programming. It is very intuitive and easy to use.

EDIT: I got used to some KDE programs like Kwrite and Konsole but I don't like the bloat KDE has - so lately I have been using blackbox along with bbkeys and bbconf. bbkeys lets you use the ALT-TAB and bbconf makes it easy to configure menu and edit themes.

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#50 2006-03-22 20:05:25

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Re: The Best Light and Fast Applications - 2006 LnF Awards

My picks:

WM: icewm with good menu made with menumaker (or ratpoison)
fm: emelfm (or bash)
terminal: aterm
music: xmms (strangely uses fewest resources for me -- less then mpd, mpg321, cplay, mp3blaster, ... )
movie: mplayer
pdf: xpdf
mixer: alsamixer
editor: vim, nano and nedit
mail: muttng and sylpheed-claws
irc: irssi (or weechat)
ftp: lftp
browser: opera (full featured) , links2 -g (light graphical) and elinks (text only)
word processor: abiword
graphics viewer: xzgv and feh
graph editors: xpaint and xfig
burning: graveman
ripping: abcde
network: nmap
....

http://users.skynet.be/six/gpure/tech/lightdesktop.html


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