Xfce4-4.4 beta1 PKGBUILD and ask for testing

basilburn · 2006-09-13 02:19:34

Hey Neri,

I found this post on the hal support in xfce4-session

http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/xfce4-session/trunk/README

Sounds like the way to go.

neri · 2006-11-07 02:46:20

Updated to RC2:
New packages are in the still in the pkg directory:
http://arch.justdreams.net/xfce4-pkgs/

PKGBUILD files are here:
http://arch.justdreams.net/xfce4-4.4-rc2/

Changes:
most sources moved over to goodies.xfce.org/releases (yeah)
some more plugins are available such as datetime and wavelan

-neri

Regarding the hal stuff: we use --with-shutdown-style=auto
which should use HAL for users enabled HAL on their system

basilburn · 2006-11-07 08:18:47

Would these be going into the unstable repo soon?

Please say yes.

dolby · 2006-11-07 09:54:06

unstable has xfce4-svn so i guess not

shadowhand · 2006-11-08 02:36:54

Imho, it doesn't make sense to have both xfce-svn and xfce4.4 beta. Please leave your packages online though, I would like to go over them and compare (you'll be added as a Contibutor if I use any of your PKGBUILD).

neri · 2006-11-08 02:56:28

shadowhand wrote:

Imho, it doesn't make sense to have both xfce-svn and xfce4.4 beta. Please leave your packages online though, I would like to go over them and compare (you'll be added as a Contibutor if I use any of your PKGBUILD).

I put them up to get some testing done for updaters etc. I like that xfce has an ultra-long beta/rc phase which I use to get rid of errors. According to their ML RC2 is meant to be the final RC so I consider to move the whole beast to testing the next weekend. So just walk over it and tell me what you think. I might have ripped out some contributors when I recreated packages that were broken during the beta/rc phase and I wanted to fix that when the stuff goes testing.

-neri

baze · 2006-11-08 09:11:08

neri wrote:

Updated to RC2:
Regarding the hal stuff: we use --with-shutdown-style=auto
which should use HAL for users enabled HAL on their system

this shouldn't be needed anymore because there is a single helper function for sme time now that tries hal first and then falls back to sudo by itself, so you don't have to specify the shutdown-style anymore. this has been in for some time.
to use it, just add your user to the group "power" which has been added from the arch devs exactly for this purpose (hal power support).

so the whole --with-shutdown-style= thing is outdated.

xerverius · 2006-11-08 10:50:24

You could add the --enable-final flag to the library packages (libxfce4util, libxfcegui4, libxfce4mcs, exo and thunar), this will set the -O1 linkage flag for optimizing the linkage table (it should at least ^_^).

Maybe a .install file for thunar/xfdesktop to tell the user it's good to add fam/hal to the deamon list in rc.conf?

The weather plugin depends on libxml

xfwm4 depends on libxext for Xsync support (--enable-xsync). This will synchronize the wm frame and the client window. Added in rc2.

xfce-mcs-plugins does not depend on the xfce engine, nothing depends on this engine...

xerverius · 2006-11-08 11:01:37

But wait, there's more:

Mousepad does not depend on libxfce4mcs.

Exo _could_ depend on libxfce4mcs (there is a wrapper for the browsers/terminal/mail-reader editor), but this is not friendly for non Xfce users who only want Thunar/Terminal. Just FYI.

xfce4-dev-tools depends on gtk-doc, automake, make and intltool.

verve is the successor of the xfce4-minicmd-plugin, so you could drop this plugin.

Mailwatch plugin depends on gnutls (gmail support), so if you have this on you pc and build the plugin and a user doesn't have it, it might break the plugin.

xerverius · 2006-11-08 11:14:41

This might be useful for icon problems: After installing icons in the Xfce hicolor icon theme the icon db should be regenerated. This will require an .install file which runs this command:

gtk-update-icon-cache -f -t /opt/xfce4/share/icons/hicolor

This will affect most of the Xfce packages (all packages that install icons), but esp. terminal, thunar and xfce4-panel...

xerverius · 2006-11-08 11:32:53

shadowhand wrote:

Imho, it doesn't make sense to have both xfce-svn and xfce4.4 beta. Please leave your packages online though, I would like to go over them and compare (you'll be added as a Contibutor if I use any of your PKGBUILD).

I think it's better to put neri's pkgbuilds in testing/unstable. Since 4.4 will be released soon and when 4.4 is released, svn will be quite a mess since we're going to split/clean/speedup libraries, which could cause some dependency/build problems...

Other note: xfwm4 depends on librsvg, since the new themes (could) support svg.

neri · 2006-11-08 18:23:32

xerverius,

thanks, that's a whole bunch of good and very helpful remarks. I aim
for putting xfce4 to testing this weekend and I will add the stuff you
mentioned.

thanks,
-neri

Zmyrgel · 2006-11-14 11:09:07

Still waiting for the XFCE4.4RC2 to appear on the testing...

Purch · 2006-11-20 10:14:30

Thanks neri!

I just installed xfce4-RC2 (or what ever) from testing. xfce4-systray is not included. I did pacman -Sf xfce4 xfce4-goodies. I needed to force to overwrite some goodies leftovers after pacman -Rc xfce4 xfce4-goodies ( I had the xfce4-4.4-RC1).

[11/20/06 11:16] installed xfcalendar (4.2.3-1)
[11/20/06 11:16] installed xfce4-iconbox (4.2.3-1)
[11/20/06 11:16] installed xfce4-systray (4.2.3-1)
[11/20/06 11:16] installed xfce4-toys (4.2.3-1)
[11/20/06 11:16] installed xfce4-trigger-launcher (4.2.3-1)
[11/20/06 11:16] installed xffm (4.2.3-1)

Am I missing something or should these still be included?

The systray plugin seeks for libxfcegui4.so.3 and I have so.4.

Purch · 2006-11-20 12:46:23

The problem above was not the case. I tested pacman -Syu with testing repository enabled and ...

$ psyu
:: Synchronizing package databases... 
:: testing is up to date
:: current is up to date
:: extra is up to date
:: community is up to date
:: Replace xfcalendar with orage from "testing"? [Y/n] 
:: Replace xfce4-iconbox with xfce4-panel from "testing"? [Y/n] 
:: Replace xfce4-showdesktop-plugin with xfce4-panel from "testing"? [Y/n] 
:: Replace xfce4-systray with xfce4-panel from "testing"? [Y/n] 
:: Replace xfce4-windowlist-plugin with xfce4-panel from "testing"? [Y/n] 
:: Replace xfce4-toys with xfce4-session from "testing"? [Y/n] 

Remove:  xfcalendar xfce4-iconbox xfce4-showdesktop-plugin xfce4-systray
         xfce4-windowlist-plugin xfce4-toys

Targets: orage-4.3.99.2-1 xfce4-panel-4.3.99.2-1 xfce4-session-4.3.99.2-1
         bash-3.2-1 initscripts-0.7.3-1 libwnck-2.16.1-2 mdadm-2.5.6-1
         nvidia-1.0.9629-1 nvidia-utils-1.0.9629-2

Total Package Size:   9.4 MB

Proceed with upgrade? [Y/n]

I dont want enything extra from testing, but how I get those packages replaced? xfce4-panel and xfce4-session packages are installed previously. as mentioned in my previous post.

Edit: I put other packages in hold and upgrade worked and everything works now

neri · 2006-11-20 20:57:11

systray went into the xfce4 core so it is not a package of it's own anymore. There are some more packages that won't be needed anymore, but I don"t wanna remove them from the repos until 4.4 leaves testing.

Some of the issues mentioned by xerverius are not resolved so far, but I will get on that soon. It's not forgotten just postponed.

-neri

AndyRTR · 2006-11-29 07:10:09

Xfce4.4rc2 packages are now available for x86_64 in our arch64 testing repo. Great work so far neri!

- as all the plugins are very small I think we could provide a metapackage Xfce-goodies or -plugins.

- notification-daemon-xfce and xfce-cellmodem-plugin are missing

- what about xfburn?

- how will we handle xffm in the future?

- Xfc - recently there were some activity on its mailing list. So maybe it's no more a dead project. We should port the AUR package to 4.4 and bring it into extra/devel or extra/xfce.

AndyRTR

Romashka · 2006-11-29 08:45:31

AndyRTR wrote:

as all the plugins are very small I think we could provide a metapackage Xfce-goodies or -plugins.

What about dependencies then?
Xfce 4.2 has xfce4-goodies group. I don't see anything wrong with this.

neri · 2006-11-29 18:19:04

AndyRTR wrote:

Xfce4.4rc2 packages are now available for x86_64 in our arch64 testing repo. Great work so far neri!

Thanks.

AndyRTR wrote:

- as all the plugins are very small I think we could provide a metapackage Xfce-goodies or -plugins.

I go with Romashka here and say we leave it a group. Especially most likely they will all be updated independently and that causes trouble in meta packages

AndyRTR wrote:

- notification-daemon-xfce and xfce-cellmodem-plugin are missing

They are on my list. I can't test the cell stuff though, I dun have the hardware.

AndyRTR wrote:

- what about xfburn?

does it require a xfce4-python package or just pygtk. As long as this is no issue or hard to build(such as cvs stuff) we should include it. Same deal for xfmedia.

AndyRTR wrote:

- how will we handle xffm in the future?

A friggin' pain in the neck, because it is split into a million subsources and became quite a realm of itself. I don't really like to abandon it because of it's nice smb browsing functions but atm, it sucks.

AndyRTR wrote:

- Xfc - recently there were some activity on its mailing list. So maybe it's no more a dead project. We should port the AUR package to 4.4 and bring it into extra/devel or extra/xfce.

there is no package atm depending on it. the only one that ever existed iirc was an xmms2 client that doesn't work anymore due to API changes in xmms2. Unless there are no other packages needing it, I say let's leave it in AUR.

-neri

PS. I don't have much time until the beginning of next week. give me PKGBUILD files for the needed stuff and things might happen faster. Thanks.

AndyRTR · 2006-12-05 07:35:40

On my notebook running testing I see two plugins crashing quiet often: xfce4-systemload-plugin and xfce4-datetime-plugin. Then also the panel crashes or changes the logout button to "quiet panel" only. On my workstation I haven't noticed such issues so far.

Are these known upstream bugs?

btw: when the panel has crashed how can I cleanly logout (without restarting the panel or using ctrl+alt+backspace)?

Romashka · 2006-12-05 11:04:14

Few annoyances with Xfce 4.4 RC2:
1) default icon theme (Rodent) is very incomplete.
Installing gnome-icon-theme helps, but then icons are inconsistent.
Changing theme to hicolor or GNOME makes notes and clipboard applet icons look too big and ugly.
2) diskperf applet doesn't work, and when restarting xfce session it disappears.
3) there were reports that it's possible to restart/shutdown system as ordinary user from Xfce (even 4.2 ?) when dbus is running and user is in power group. But I still cannot restart/shutdown system without that classic line in sudoers.
4) system settings dialog is missing some new programs from Settings menu.
5) xfmedia doesn't start.
6) I couldn't find that window decoration theme that can be seen on most screenshots from Benedikt Meurer and Thunar's homepage. Isn't it the dafault? :?
7) what "Timezone - Floating" means in Orage?

baze · 2006-12-05 12:15:53

Romashka wrote:

3) there were reports that it's possible to restart/shutdown system as ordinary user from Xfce (even 4.2 ?) when dbus is running and user is in power group. But I still cannot restart/shutdown system without that classic line in sudoers.

you need hal running (the system bus, which is started by adding hal to rc.conf) to use this feature. and it's 4.4 only.

Romashka · 2006-12-05 12:19:17

baze wrote:

you need hal running (the system bus, which is started by adding hal to rc.conf) to use this feature. and it's 4.4 only.

Damn! I forgot about this yet again. Thanks for remindment!

dolby · 2006-12-05 17:56:54

@Romanshka
1) svn does xfce-icon-theme installation by default . dunno bout RC2 though.maybe neri should get the dummy package (i suppose there is one) to grab em too
4) which programs are missing?
7) of all the times i used orage time was always floating so i wouldnt be surprised it if happened in RC2 too. do u mean like its supposed to get the timezone from rc.conf when it starts?

Romashka · 2006-12-05 19:12:34

dolby wrote:

1) svn does xfce-icon-theme installation by default . dunno bout RC2 though.maybe neri should get the dummy package (i suppose there is one) to grab em too

xfce4.4rc2 installs xfce-icon-theme too. But many icons are missing.

dolby wrote:

4) which programs are missing?

I cannot say exactly, because I'm not on my Xfce box now, but in Settings menu there are many links to different config dialogs and one link to something like "control panel" which lists big icons for all those config dialogs. Some of those dialogs are not present on that "control panel" i.e. autorun configuration dialog - they can be called only from Settings menu.
Sory for dumb explanation.

dolby wrote:

7) of all the times i used orage time was always floating so i wouldnt be surprised it if happened in RC2 too. do u mean like its supposed to get the timezone from rc.conf when it starts?

I'm just curious what "floating" means. Why there are UTC and "Floating" instead of UTC and simply a bunch of other timezones. I dunno why timezones are hiding behind that "Floating" option. :? (I didn't use xfcalendar in Xfce 4.2 so I don't know how it worked there).

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