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#26 2021-04-15 06:48:53

seth
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Registered: 2012-09-03
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Re: xfce4 no panels no desktop icons

Just from the multiple TTY logins and that this is sometimes done ("instead of one getty, give me a shell on tty1, 2 &3")
There's still no session bus and that's a problem, so please elaborate on your login process.
Also

pacman -Qikk pambase systemd

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#27 2021-04-15 07:34:40

tangram
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From: 3City, Poland
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Posts: 55

Re: xfce4 no panels no desktop icons

I'm writing from the top of my head.
Kernel command line in grub cfg looks more or less "/vmlinuz-linux root=UUID=xxx rw loglevel=3 quiet"
there is no extra target specified (i.e multiuser.target)
All is in its default settings.
Although earlier I've tried with graphical target (of course with dm gdm)
but that all has not worked for me.
After I boot I get text login prompt, I type my login and pwd and that's all folks.
Same for other tty sessions (if I need more tty sessions (usual 2-4)).

pacman output I'll send you in the evening.

Last edited by tangram (2021-04-15 14:47:21)

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#28 2021-04-15 15:51:10

tangram
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From: 3City, Poland
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Re: xfce4 no panels no desktop icons

Hi Set

pacman -Qikk pambase systemd

Name            : pambase
Version         : 20200721.1-2
Description     : Base PAM configuration for services
Architecture    : any
URL             : https://www.archlinux.org
Licenses        : GPL
Groups          : None
Provides        : None
Depends On      : None
Optional Deps   : None
Required By     : pam
Optional For    : None
Conflicts With  : None
Replaces        : None
Installed Size  : 2,64 KiB
Packager        : Tobias Powalowski <tpowa@archlinux.org>
Build Date      : śro, 12 sie 2020, 21:34:37
Install Date    : sob, 3 kwi 2021, 12:26:40
Install Reason  : Installed as a dependency for another package
Install Script  : No
Validated By    : Signature

pambase: 8 total files, 0 altered files
Name            : systemd
Version         : 248-4
Description     : system and service manager
Architecture    : x86_64
URL             : https://www.github.com/systemd/systemd
Licenses        : GPL2  LGPL2.1
Groups          : None
Provides        : nss-myhostname  systemd-tools=248  udev=248
Depends On      : acl  libacl.so=1-64  bash  cryptsetup  libcryptsetup.so=12-64  dbus  iptables  kbd  kmod  libkmod.so=2-64  hwids  libcap  libcap.so=2-64  libgcrypt  libxcrypt  libcrypt.so=2-64  systemd-libs  libidn2  lz4  pam  libelf  libseccomp  libseccomp.so=2-64  util-linux  libblkid.so=1-64  libmount.so=1-64  xz  pcre2  audit  libaudit.so=1-64  libp11-kit  libp11-kit.so=0-64  openssl
Optional Deps   : libmicrohttpd: remote journald capabilities
                  quota-tools: kernel-level quota management
                  systemd-sysvcompat: symlink package to provide sysvinit binaries [installed]
                  polkit: allow administration as unprivileged user [installed]
                  curl: machinectl pull-tar and pull-raw [installed]
                  libfido2: unlocking LUKS2 volumes with FIDO2 token
                  tpm2-tss: unlocking LUKS2 volumes with TPM2
Required By     : base  colord  libinput  libpulse  libwacom  mkinitcpio  polkit  systemd-sysvcompat  upower
Optional For    : None
Conflicts With  : nss-myhostname  systemd-tools  udev
Replaces        : nss-myhostname  systemd-tools  udev
Installed Size  : 25,03 MiB
Packager        : Christian Hesse <arch@eworm.de>
Build Date      : czw, 8 kwi 2021, 00:10:25
Install Date    : pią, 9 kwi 2021, 20:32:51
Install Reason  : Installed as a dependency for another package
Install Script  : Yes
Validated By    : Signature

systemd: 1891 total files, 1 altered file

Additionally I've checked reverse dependency for both packages with depth 1

pactree -r -d1  pambase

pambase
└─pam

pactree -r -d1 systemd

systemd
├─base
├─colord
├─libinput
├─libpulse
├─libwacom
├─mkinitcpio
├─polkit
├─systemd-sysvcompat
└─upower

Probably you know that all

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#29 2021-04-15 16:04:34

seth
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Posts: 22,267

Re: xfce4 no panels no desktop icons

Do you maybe export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS somewhere in /etc/profile or so?
You have the variable, but no session bus (please check "ps aux | grep dbus" again, preferably from xfce) so either it crashes (see "coredumpctl") or it never launches because the variable is always set…

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#30 2021-04-15 18:34:15

euromatlox
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Registered: 2017-02-10
Posts: 104

Re: xfce4 no panels no desktop icons

I am using xfce myself.

Do you (your user name) have all necessary groups ? When looking your first post, power group comes to my mind. If you're the only user of the computer (simultaneously) I suppose it's safe to add your user into power group. In a more complex case (network server), I'm not sure if that's accepted.

I have these groups (plus user's own group):

disk lp wheel ftp http video audio optical floppy storage power users

Just remembered that I have disabled floppy in bios settings (to get rid off some messages), so that group has no use.

Last edited by euromatlox (2021-04-15 18:38:17)

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#31 2021-04-15 19:08:06

tangram
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From: 3City, Poland
Registered: 2013-01-21
Posts: 55

Re: xfce4 no panels no desktop icons

@set
I would never tweak by DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS variable
My "ps aux | grep dbus" shows

dbus         323  0.0  0.0  12516  6292 ?        Ss   20:17   0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --systemd-activation --syslog-only
tangram      518  0.2  0.0  11964  5884 ?        Ss   20:32   0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --session --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --systemd-activation --syslog-only
tangram      536  0.0  0.0  11800  5608 ?        S    20:32   0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --config-file=/usr/share/defaults/at-spi2/accessibility.conf --nofork --print-address 3

No coredumps found

@euromatlox
I am in these groups:

power users storage wheel tangram

I want to say again all what I did was:
- installed arch in text mode
- copied my old .bashrc file (there are no suspicious settings just convenient aliases)
- configured mirrorlist file
- added color output to pacman
and so on
When text framework was ok
I installed xorg, gdm, xfce4 + goodies (as I wrote earlier)
Then I noticed xfce4 desktop problem
I removed gdm (I thought this was the cause of panel issues)
prepared my .xinitrc with which I start broken xfce until today
and that's all
Nothing more, I didn't do any changes on sensible config files in etc

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#32 2021-04-15 19:33:56

tangram
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From: 3City, Poland
Registered: 2013-01-21
Posts: 55

Re: xfce4 no panels no desktop icons

I've just  run "last chance" brute force grep over /etc and /usr
grep DBUS_SESSIO -rnHI /etc/*
[root@bex ~]# grep DBUS_SESSIO -rnHI /usr/*

/usr/lib/systemd/user/dbus.socket:6:ExecStartPost=-/usr/bin/systemctl --user set-environment DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=%t/bus
/usr/lib64/systemd/user/dbus.socket:6:ExecStartPost=-/usr/bin/systemctl --user set-environment DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=%t/bus
/usr/share/doc/systemd/NEWS:3105:        * $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS environment variable is set by pam_systemd
/usr/share/doc/systemd/NEWS:3652:        * $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS environment variable is not set by

Last two lines meaningless

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#33 2021-04-15 20:49:04

euromatlox
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Posts: 104

Re: xfce4 no panels no desktop icons

I wonder if xfce4-screensaver might possibly cause something, I have not it installed.

I'll include here my .xinitrc file, it's very simple. I have quite basic installation (no fancy tricks).

#!/bin/sh
#
# ~/.xinitrc
#
# Executed by startx (run your window manager from here)

if [ -d /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d ]; then
  for f in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/*; do
    [ -x "$f" ] && . "$f"
  done
  unset f
fi

exec startxfce4

Last edited by euromatlox (2021-04-15 20:57:39)

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#34 2021-04-15 21:06:09

seth
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Posts: 22,267

Re: xfce4 no panels no desktop icons

There's now also a session bus in the #31 ps grep, so that was a red herring…
Unfortunately that means we're back on square one.
I'd try to strip down and remove all panel plugins (essentially all packages that depend on xfce4-panel) to see whether one of them causes this…

@euromatlox, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Us … emd_groups

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#35 2021-04-15 21:24:06

euromatlox
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Posts: 104

Re: xfce4 no panels no desktop icons

Thanks! Might explain a problem with a webcam microphone I recently experienced.

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#36 2021-04-16 19:15:06

tangram
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From: 3City, Poland
Registered: 2013-01-21
Posts: 55

Re: xfce4 no panels no desktop icons

Hi set
I've just removed all panel plugins ... blind shot
I'm a bit exhausted with hunting for the cause of vanishing panel
We have invested so much work in searching for the reason,
maybe we/you were close to find a reason but ... I cant stand it to leave without graphical surface
Probably over the weekend I'm going to install other (what a pity) dm probably budgie

Guys thank you all very much for your support and help
I really appreciate it
Sad tangram

Last edited by tangram (2021-04-16 19:17:40)

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