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#26 2023-04-23 19:41:56

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

Yeah, I'm aware that the used memory confusion caused me to contradict my previous statements.

Dropping caches from rescue.target worked, "the number" dropped down to 300 MB. Trying while inside a graphical session is a different story.

Is the massive RAM consumption likely just cache then? The free -h cache value from OP doesn't support that idea.

Older kernels didn't really help.

Last edited by LaserMoai (2023-04-23 19:57:12)

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#27 2023-04-23 20:08:32

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

Dropping caches from rescue.target worked

Splendid, tells us where the RAM is.
Did you drop the page and dentry/inode caches separately (and monitor the impact)

We'd kinda being looking at LUKS then again, though hmm

Or do you maybe try to avoid disk writes?
Do "df -h" and "sudo ncdu" drastically fall apart (during the grpahical session)?
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=273590

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#28 2023-04-23 20:53:54

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

Did you drop the page and dentry/inode caches separately (and monitor the impact)

Now I did, and only dentries and inodes actually matter here.

Do "df -h" and "sudo ncdu" drastically fall apart (during the grpahical session)?

There's barely any changes going on there. Just /dev/shm fluctuating from 0% to 8% and back to 4 during serious RAM use from what I've seen so far.

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#29 2023-04-23 21:06:31

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

Is this a LUKS1 or LUKS2 setup?
https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/-/issues/372

I guess you encrypted the entire system and not just /home?

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#30 2023-04-24 07:30:24

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

It's all LUKS 2. As I've previously mentioned, it's full system encryption using 2 separate volumes.

Its impact on RAM usage doesn't feel particularly large. If I don't mount the data volume, the amount of mysteriously consumed memory is still the same.

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#31 2023-04-24 07:51:09

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

Because the overhead being linked to usage, the system partition is likely the relevant one.
LUKS2 is, as mentioned in the wiki, RAM-heavy by default.

If you wanna try:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Removi … s_in-place
SEE THE BIG FAT RED NOTE!
Just the conversion might suffice, see also
https://unix.stackexchange.com/question … -version-1
AND MAKE SURE TO HAVE BACKUPS!

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#32 2023-04-24 07:58:50

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

All right, I'll try this out. Thanks a lot for the help.

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#33 2023-05-06 18:23:40

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

So I've finally found the time to convert the partition to LUKS1 and that didn't help. Even without a single mounted LUKS2 partition the leaked memory can easily reach 2.5 GB.

Full root partition decryption it is then?

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#34 2023-05-06 18:28:57

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

You can try but while I can see the memory overhead being a thing on LUKS2 (specifically argon) this should™ not affect LUKS1 hmm

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#35 2023-05-06 18:35:46

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

Let's put that aside as a plan B then, if you don't mind. That doesn't really look like the optimal path.

EDIT: Just in case, I did check cryptsetup luksDump, and the partition's definitely LUKS1 now.

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#36 2023-05-08 11:23:45

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

I decrypted the root partition and I don't see any difference.

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#37 2023-05-11 12:20:18

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

Any more ideas, anyone? Should I just reinstall everything or add more RAM?

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#38 2023-05-11 12:59:16

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

More RAM won't prevent leaks and re-installation should™ not, assuming this is some kernel leak.

To re-cap, you're "losing" memory inside the graphical.target, dropping caches inside the graphical.target does not release them, nor does switching to the rescue.target. But dropping the caches there then does.

Are you willing to run the system on openbox and w/o any flatpaks for a while (until the leak either emerged or you'd expect it to have by now)?

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#39 2023-05-11 14:44:03

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

Yeah, I can try that.

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#40 2023-05-11 14:47:27

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

Also avoid running as many KDE things as possible - notably baloo and (perhaps?) akonadi (kmail backend). If you can.

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#41 2023-05-12 17:51:58

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

Openbox doesn't seem to have made much of a difference. On startup there was 400 MB leaked, and after I connected to wi-fi and launched a couple of browser sessions that number quickly rose to 1.5 GB.

> free -h
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:            13Gi        10Gi       484Mi       884Mi       2.9Gi       2.2Gi
Swap:           15Gi       0.0Ki        15Gi
> smem -tk
  PID User     Command                         Swap      USS      PSS      RSS 
 7303 daniil   /usr/bin/autossh -M 0 -NL 2        0   128.0K   135.0K     1.7M 
 1850 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chrome_cr        0   340.0K   533.0K     4.2M 
 5134 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chrome_cr        0   336.0K   537.0K     4.2M 
 5132 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chrome_cr        0   396.0K   662.0K     4.7M 
 1848 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chrome_cr        0   416.0K   685.0K     4.7M 
 5141 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chromium         0   244.0K   780.0K    18.0M 
  757 daniil   /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --sess        0   896.0K     1.0M     5.0M 
 1103 daniil   /usr/lib/at-spi-bus-launche        0   892.0K     1.1M     6.9M 
 1857 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chromium         0   236.0K     1.4M    17.6M 
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  806 daniil   /usr/lib/xdg-desktop-portal        0     7.1M     7.8M    17.8M 
 2038 daniil   /usr/bin/plasma-browser-int        0     5.3M     8.1M    42.4M 
 5323 daniil   /usr/bin/plasma-browser-int        0     5.4M     8.1M    42.5M 
  831 daniil   /usr/lib/xdg-desktop-portal        0     6.1M     8.3M    42.1M 
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  839 daniil   /usr/bin/pipewire                  0     8.2M    10.5M    22.1M 
 1949 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chromium         0     8.0M    10.9M    95.8M 
 1987 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chromium         0     9.0M    11.9M    98.0M 
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 1986 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chromium         0    10.6M    13.6M    95.3M 
 1969 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chromium         0    12.7M    16.2M   113.4M 
 5196 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chromium         0    13.7M    16.2M   119.4M 
  840 daniil   /usr/bin/wireplumber               0    14.2M    16.3M    30.5M 
 2107 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chromium         0    14.6M    17.5M    76.4M 
  745 daniil   /usr/bin/openbox --startup         0    17.3M    17.8M    36.9M 
 8000 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chromium         0    14.9M    17.9M   116.7M 
 2591 daniil   /usr/lib/electron/electron         0    13.3M    19.6M    99.4M 
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 6852 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chromium         0    17.9M    21.6M   121.9M 
 7083 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chromium         0    18.8M    21.7M   131.0M 
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 1607 daniil   /usr/lib/firefox/firefox -c        0    21.0M    23.2M    80.5M 
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 2749 daniil   /usr/lib/electron/electron         0    23.6M    28.9M   109.8M 
 1881 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chromium         0    23.5M    28.9M   101.6M 
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 7369 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chromium         0    27.5M    31.0M   151.9M 
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 1911 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chromium         0    28.4M    32.0M   128.3M 
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 9363 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chromium         0    30.4M    33.8M   141.8M 
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 5166 daniil   /usr/lib/chromium/chromium         0    27.3M    34.2M   111.1M 
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  150 1                                           0     8.4G     9.2G    21.1G

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#42 2023-05-12 19:21:04

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

Is your metric for that teh smem output?
The value closes to "meaningful" in there is the PSS and that'd be in line w/ the free report?

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#43 2023-05-12 19:35:47

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

No, I'm tracking it with that command.

seth wrote:
while true; do awk '/MemTotal:/{v=$2}/MemFree:|Active:|Inactive:|Slab:/{v-=$2} END {printf v/1024 " MB\r"}' /proc/meminfo; sleep 5; done

You don't want that number to spiral out of control.

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#44 2023-05-12 19:43:52

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

'key.

Since chromium/electron is on the record for shenanigans w/ unlinked files, can you run w/o any of those (electron likely being vscode or discord)?

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#45 2023-05-13 17:28:32

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

Testing on KDE is fine, right? When out of web-adjacent apps only Firefox is launched, the leaked memory metric is around 700-900 megs. If I load a lot of tabs into memory, it can still easily bloat to 1.9 GB.

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#46 2023-05-13 19:10:00

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

I assume this also works vv (ie. not using FF but chromium only)?
And does FF cause the same in the https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Firefo … shoot_Mode ?

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#47 2023-05-13 19:29:41

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

Yeah, it does to both questions.

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#48 2023-05-14 15:52:14

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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

Hey again. Any more ideas?

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#49 2023-05-15 15:04:23

LaserMoai
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Registered: 2023-02-26
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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

Pretty please? Anyone?

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#50 2023-05-15 15:25:07

seth
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Re: [SOLVED] A large volume of RAM is getting consumed by OS itself

Don't do that

You're not leaking memory in the kernel (as the kernel version is irrelevant and dropping the caches outside the GUI session releases it) and apparently also not due to the encryption - my money is on some userspace library or driver (as it's apparently also not tied to a specific process, though maybe it has to be VRAM heavy)
You could try a wayland session (weston/sway), make sure the browsers don't use xwayland, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Firefox#Wayland

But your core incentive is to figure what process(es) are driving this - and what you end up doing differently (wild tmpfs shenanigans etc.)

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