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Awebb

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Registered: 2010-05-06

Posts: 6,688

Re: Linux Game Support

It's not that MS doesn't want to kill all non-MS ring0 already - it would have done so years ago, but the damn snake oil industry got the EU all riled up about a fair market for their crappy business model, that MS couldn't just kill ring0 without opening up their defender interfaces to those malware vendors.

ReDress

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From: Nairobi

Registered: 2024-11-30

Posts: 96

Re: Linux Game Support

so in the end the whole process is literally porting the anticheats of videogames that works with windows syscalls with wine and winetricks to the linux kernel, so Tux can know how to handle the anticheat program ? But since the kernel is linux you can be able to handle the windows sys calls but also tunning the kernel to your needs to use the anticheats  at the same time ?

long story short:

Linux kernel: Hi anticheat here are some windows sys calls that wine translate for me.

Anticheat: Oh thank you very much, it seems valid.

Linux kernel: No it doesn't, but don't tell to the server that I have a module to cheat.

I'm correct in how this works ?

Anti-cheats facilitate certain forms of wrong-doing. It's not clear to me but this might have been the original intent of the anti-cheats. The fact that they facilitate wrong-doing means they, themselves cannot be right.

Succulent of your garden

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Registered: 2024-02-29

Posts: 132

Re: Linux Game Support

Anti-cheats facilitate certain forms of wrong-doing. It's not clear to me but this might have been the original intent of the anti-cheats. The fact that they facilitate wrong-doing means they, themselves cannot be right.

Interesting, but those cases are the majority ? I mean i get the idea of that a bad anti cheat could be used to cheat in the game, but do you know how often these kind of anti cheats are in games ? As far as I know it seems like it depends mostly of the company behind because it will try to use the same anticheat for any of their games. But how often anti cheats are used to cheat in games ?

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Lone_Wolf

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From: Netherlands, Europe

Registered: 2005-10-04

Posts: 13,242

Re: Linux Game Support

Anti-cheat software is known to interfere with the OS using techniques that are very similar to those used by malware writers.

There have been confirmed cases where anti-cheat software bricked system components .
One anti-cheat software overwrote the firmware of cd/dvd drives to ensure users could only play from original disks.
After inserting an original disk , the drive didn't accept other disks anymore.

If I remember correctly only the manufacturer of the drive could restore functionality.

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Succulent of your garden

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Registered: 2024-02-29

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Re: Linux Game Support

Anti-cheat software is known to interfere with the OS using techniques that are very similar to those used by malware writers.

There have been confirmed cases where anti-cheat software bricked system components .
One anti-cheat software overwrote the firmware of cd/dvd drives to ensure users could only play from original disks.
After inserting an original disk , the drive didn't accept other disks anymore.

If I remember correctly only the manufacturer of the drive could restore functionality.

Do you remember the game ? I know that anti-cheats are basically rootkits, but can they in the current state of the art still rewritte firmware ? I'm guessing that's not possible now or it is very hard to do it and depends of how shitty the hardware is.

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Lone_Wolf

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From: Netherlands, Europe

Registered: 2005-10-04

Posts: 13,242

Re: Linux Game Support

It was a long time ago when desktops still came with floppydrives installed.
2003 ?

I don't remember the name of the game, but it was published by sony .

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cryptearth

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Registered: 2024-02-03

Posts: 1,220

Re: Linux Game Support

SecuRom / SecurDisc?
I'm not sure about rewriting of a drives firmware - but back then (around the time of PS1/og xbox and 2nd gen) there were quite some funny devices out in the wild

Succulent of your garden

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Re: Linux Game Support

In my research  I came to the conclusion that must be SecuRom.  Microsoft decided to quit support because it was so bad made and attach to the kernel that introduce several vulnerabilities.