KPacman 0.2

fragilek · 2004-07-09 09:57:20

Yeah. I think I see what you're getting at. Thing is, my pa is one of the non-learning people... <Scurries off to download Fedora>

Mr Green · 2004-07-09 10:12:04

I eat Smurfs for breakfast :twisted:

Mr Green

fragilek · 2004-07-09 14:52:44

I eat Malted Wheaties

xerxes2 · 2004-07-09 20:49:19

Dusty wrote:

And what the hell is the good of dragging people away frow Windows, tell me that? I get so sick of people saying that Linux has to be bigger Linux has to have more users blah blah blah.

To get rid of (evil,illegal,and disgusting) monopoly??!!!
Price monopoly is gone already (if you are a company you can just mention linux and you get a 60% discount) but the market share monopoly is still there.
Don't you want a market for programs and entertainment stuff you are hacking on?

Dusty wrote:

Arch Linux is near perfect enough for me. You can argue that if there were more users, then the big corporations would develop drivers and programs for Linux, but who wants proprietary drivers and programs for Linux anyway?

If you are just hacking and surfing you are right. Arch is near perfect for me also...maybe we should move on to gnu hurd(unununium)???

Dusty · 2004-07-09 21:57:48

xerxes2 wrote:

Don't you want a market for programs and entertainment stuff you are hacking on?

Not really, I couldn't care less if anybody uses the programs I write besides me. It would be nice if some developers used them and submitted patches or bugfixes, but general user populace... no, not really. They just make demands, not requests.

Besides that, I program in Java and Python, they'll run on Windows. :-P

Dusty

sarah31 · 2004-07-09 22:18:07

java is evil

Dusty · 2004-07-10 00:06:14

it pays well.

sarah31 · 2004-07-10 03:10:33

and that is why you live in the shanty town of Shaunavon?

Mr Green · 2004-07-10 10:03:58

sarah31 wrote:

java is evil

No Mr Green is :twisted:

fragilek · 2004-07-10 10:31:46

Writing code you only intend to be used by yourself (and not freely made avaliable to the community) goes against the philosophy behind RMS and Gnu, don't ya know.

sarah31 · 2004-07-10 10:42:35

fragilek wrote:

Writing code you only intend to be used by yourself (and not freely made avaliable to the community) goes against the philosophy behind RMS and Gnu, don't ya know.
<Hides behind big concrete wall>

and?

Dusty · 2004-07-10 15:50:09

fragilek wrote:

Writing code you only intend to be used by yourself (and not freely made avaliable to the community) goes against the philosophy behind RMS and Gnu, don't ya know.

I'm a bigger fan of ESR than RMS, but Torvalds has my money any day...

However, I didn't say I wasn't going to make my code freely available. anybody can use it. The point I'm making is that I'm not going to write stuff I don't use (unless it's an explicit feature request, perhaps. if it's polite). There is no sense in writing up features that somebody *might* use; there's not a lot of sense in writing stuff that somebody *will* use if I'm not going to use it. Waste of my time; that somebody can write it themselves.

Take my current problem with vi mode keybindings in readline. Why should they have written that to have keybindings if they aren't using it? My options are to add proper keybinding support to the code (I'm not a big fan of C, so I'm not gonna), to live with it the way it is, or to hack the keybindings for my personal use. I chose to hack because it takes less of my time.

Dusty

xerxes2 · 2004-07-10 19:15:41

sarah31 wrote:

java is evil

ok, miss polar bear, you have been trashing almost every language known to man now..
so what language do you like??? bash and xml doesn't count.

Dusty wrote:

Besides that, I program in Java and Python, they'll run on Windows.

Java+ms=bad
python+ms=bad
java+python=Jython
Java+Linux=Good
Python+Linux=Very good
"Python has been an important part of Google since the beginning, and remains so as the system grows and evolves. Today dozens of Google engineers use Python, and we're looking for more people with skills in this language." said Peter Norvig, director of search quality at Google, Inc.

Dusty wrote:

Not really, I couldn't care less if anybody uses the programs I write besides me.

Maybe not for stuff like pycludes, that's for educational reasons probably.
But you could care less if you were doing things like "real" games or programs that are 100 times bigger than pycludes. Then you need a market for getting some cash back for the work you've done.

Dusty · 2004-07-10 19:37:32

xerxes2 wrote:

Maybe not for stuff like pycludes, that's for educational reasons probably. But you could care less if you were doing things like "real" games or programs that are 100 times bigger than pycludes. Then you need a market for getting some cash back for the work you've done.

Not really. I don't think Judd gets anything back for what he's put into Arch, besides donations that don't even cover server costs, for example.

It's true I will probably get paid by some company to do applications I never use personally someday, but those aren't my projects.

Dusty

sarah31 · 2004-07-11 08:16:48

um i have only called java and perl evil. java is too consumptive and wasteful with processes.

perl is evil because it tends to be write once read never. perl makefiles are usually sloppy, etc.

i like c. c++ is not bad but tends to be overly verbose. python is neat. and scripting languages php and applescript are pretty neat.

java is useful but i really do try and avoid it due to its sluggishness and process consumption (i understand the reasons it is this way but reasons are lame when it does not deliver the goods).

perl is useful too but it i have yet to see a nice, neat and orderly script (with respect to available applications not personal scripts). usually they are messy and hard to interpret.

good enough for you?

Mr Green · 2004-07-11 08:29:20

xerxes2 wrote:

bash and xml doesn't count.

Mr Green :?

Dusty · 2004-07-11 20:13:40

Lots of people have opinions on programming languages.

sarah31 · 2004-07-11 20:34:18

not me

xerxes2 · 2004-07-12 23:36:28

I've noticed that polar bears got opinions on most things.....

aCoder · 2004-07-13 01:08:23

Perl is messy. I've never found it to be very useful at all though, but possibly because I first became used to the eternally neat and orderly code produced with so little effort in Python. Perl's just too much work for me.

I don't like C either, or C++, or Java, but those are thier own rants, except for C. I owe it some respect as the base for the current implementation of Python. I will, however, tear it apart the moment that particular problem is 'fixed'. :twisted:

fragilek · 2004-07-13 10:10:50

PHP

Dusty · 2004-07-13 16:12:08

Dusty wrote:

Lots of people have opinions on programming languages.

*double underline*

sarah31 · 2004-07-13 16:45:37

not me

darkcoder · 2004-11-24 20:50:53

Excuse me if the ideas I propose were discussed earlier, I'm a bit occupied ATM, so do not read all the posts.

IMHO the GUI program to allow updates should have the following in order to provide the best in flexibility, ease of use, and features:
1. An applet on the systray (use FreeDesktop Systray extension) of your favorite Desktop Environment that yould check for updates automatically like Windows Update/ RedHat Up2Date. The applet could include config options to (warn when new updates are available, update system and show log, update silently, schedule update time), also update logs could be nice. Since applet is limited to update only could have root privileges so user do not have/need to enter root password to use it.

2. From that applet, or a menu or desktop item a full interface could be invoked where the user will be able to perform any kind of operation currently available from pacman like update, remove, sync, install, add/remove source repositories, install local packages, etc. In other words it should work something like Synaptic. Since this one will have a more control of the system, only root users are allowed to work with it.

Also since most desktops use either GTK or QT, while this will be more time consuming, the programs could provide both interfaces (on independent execs of course), or design two packages around a single source tree.

I think that approach should satisfy most and maybe all of us: automatation if we want, advanced GUI if we want, security if we want. GUI of choice. Command line: just do not install it.

sarah31 · 2004-11-24 21:13:12

actually what really needs to be done is for the people who want a gui that have coding skills to get together and actually come up with one universal project and not foru or five gui projects. it really is a vast waste each developer's time and only serves to confuse the user as to which project is for him/her.

but there seems to be no takers to this concept so this is the last time i will put it out there.

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