Vote for Lenovo to use Arch.

kensai · 2007-09-11 03:24:27

I think user friendliness is relative since I find Arch Linux more, way more user friendly than Ubuntu, people might think from my posts that I only love Gentoo but no I also love Arch, but just a little less. And I find installing and configuring arch to my liking much more user firendly than installing and configuring ubuntu to my likings.

murffatksig · 2007-09-11 05:18:47

I voted for Arch. I know Ubuntu is easier, and Lenovo will surely go with them or some other big player. But the Internet would benefit from users understanding their systems more. Their would be less spam and viruses. It's a long way off, but you gotta start somewhere.

hongy19 · 2007-09-11 14:03:06

vote!

Cerebral · 2007-09-11 14:34:25

I voted Ubuntu. Why? Because as a distro I don't feel we're really not ready to handle the kind of influx of users that a pre-loaded commercial system might generate. We're staffed entirely by a handful volunteers and enthusiasts, have no official support mechanism aside from the bugtracker, and generally are just not ready.

Besides that point, let's say Lenovo decided to preload Arch, and also made the commitment to support their choice. Even then, the only people with access to the repos are the core Arch dev team, and I don't think we're likely to just allow any joe from Lenovo that kind of access - so say they start finding bugs, or getting requests from their users, and the reports roll in. We'd get swamped. Or, there's the alternative that they'd fork Arch, staff it with their own team, and do their own thing with it - but then it wouldn't be Arch anymore. It just doesn't make much sense for them.

Ubuntu, on the other hand, can take it. They probably WANT that for themselves, and bless 'em for it.

shen · 2007-09-11 15:51:10

I think I have to agree with Cerebral. As cool as it would be to see Arch hit that level I don't think the Arch community could handle it and I doubt the devs would want that sort of a load adn responsibility. In the commercial world a distro like Fedora or Ubuntu is better suited as a whole to handle such an endeavor. As I see it I like arch as it is.

Cogar · 2007-09-11 21:19:33

I voted for Arch just to increase our presence, although it should be clear to everyone that Ubuntu is going to be the winner by a gigantic margin. Actually, I am surprised to see how poorly Kubuntu is doing--considering that it is essentially the same distribution.

chaosgeisterchen · 2007-09-11 22:24:35

I think that an ideal vote would be a (yet to come) distribution, which is derived from Arch but a lot more focused towards beginners. I think that it's possible to stay with Archs KISS principle and build a bunch of GUI tools upon it, in order to increase accessibility. It's ultimately just a frontend to what we Archers are used to already.

But - at the moment - I doubt, that there is such a distribution in sight, so they will most probably just go for Ubuntu, like the mass wants them to do.

rosenthal · 2007-09-17 20:01:14

I voted for arch, using it on a lenovo t61. Everything works fine.

afonic · 2007-09-17 23:20:47

kensai wrote:

I think user friendliness is relative since I find Arch Linux more, way more user friendly than Ubuntu, people might think from my posts that I only love Gentoo but no I also love Arch, but just a little less. And I find installing and configuring arch to my liking much more user firendly than installing and configuring ubuntu to my likings.

Couldn't have said it better.

However I voted for Ubuntu in this poll, as it is what I'd use if I where to present Linux to someone who has never heard about it before.

schivmeister · 2007-09-17 23:31:11

chaosgeisterchen has put it straight. a rolling-release distro, sleek and powerful, that's Arch. But to get to the point of being "mass-marketable", you can't point to this Arch linux. The Arch wiki and FAQ put it very clearly, this is a distro for those who need it. I don't think the "masses" fall in that category. A distro with tons of packages will get the go-ahead first, and that's something like Ubuntu or PCLinuxOS. Surely it cannot be Gentoo either, because the masses do not wait to compile things. The masses do not want to write scripts, nor do they want to monitor processes for loss of performance. Hell, they don't even want to know the difference between RAM and Hard Disk Drive. So are you telling me you are willing to introduce Arch Linux to these people, under the terms of humanity?

However, like chaosgeisterchen mentioned, once you add the right elements, you'll have it. That's what is happening to SabayonLinux. Some guy named Fabio had a wonderful idea, just like many out there, but he just happened to carry it out. The right elements added to a geeky distribution can become a mass multimedia powerhouse. I'm sure some guys using Arch Linux are brainstorming as well, because frankly what the world needs is a fvcking rolling-release operating system without restrictions, also meaning not source/binary-bound, or anything-bound at all.

But hey, why not let people know about this wonderful system? I have a pride of my own, and I want to share my feelings. I would vote for Arch Linux, and in the event it does get short-listed by some rare chance, I could say sorry this is not a distro for you to think about yet Lenovo, I just wanted you to know such enormous power exists and it is going to be the next big thing after your uncle's pregnancy.

b9anders · 2008-04-29 09:35:48

I voted for Mandriva. Every bit as user-friendly as ubuntu, possibly more, and I think it would be good for linux if someone else got into the limelight as well besides ubuntu.

edit: I am pleased to see they are the runner-up in the poll. Hopefully, it will receive due consideration.

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.:B:. · 2008-04-29 10:09:15

tardo wrote:

I'd rather let them use ubuntu. Sometimes... and only when really needed... ubuntu is the real OS-breaker. I can't dispute that fact. Let them use ubuntu, and when they're tired of it, they can come to Arch =]

I agree. Let's all be realistic, Ubuntu is out of the box way more noob-friendly. That's what Lenovo cares about. Not about how l33t it is. If I vote in such 'which distro to run on Linux devices to be catered to the broad public', it's always Ubuntu.

kikinovak · 2008-04-29 11:43:27

I voted Arch.

I just started a Linux consultant enterprise (http://www.microlinux.fr) - after two years of work as a 100% GNU/Linux sysadmin - and I'm focussing on Arch on the desktop and CentOS on the server.

Pre-installed Arch on laptops means lots of clients

nDray · 2008-04-29 11:50:54

Arch is NOT the distribution to come pre-installed. It just isn't, you know that and you know why. Don't vote for it!

Maki · 2008-04-29 13:17:10

I don't know how arch preinstalled would work out. Would it come with no gui. Would it come with Gnome, KDE, XFCE. Would i like the setup that they made in my system ? Maybe Faunos or archie, but not stock arch.

Blµb · 2008-04-29 13:34:26

tardo wrote:

I voted for gentoo! Everyone should try that at least once. I bet you'll appreciate Arch even more!

I like gentoo for my home PC, it's just not very useful on my laptop when my battery runs low and I need to install a new package

Things run faster though...
Like, on gentoo I've always been using compiz-fusion, and could play nexuiz without any change in the FPS, if I use compiz on arch and play nexuiz, the FPS go down a bit...
But well -> ABS

dschauer · 2008-04-29 13:48:19

I voted for ubuntu. It would be a big mistake for Lenovo to pick something like Arch, Gentoo, *BSD, or similar as what they install for mainstream customers.

chimeric · 2008-04-29 14:17:55

Cerebral wrote:

We're staffed entirely by a handful volunteers and enthusiasts, have no official support mechanism aside from the bugtracker, and generally are just not ready.

I kinda see it like that as well. Personally I don't even know why they put up alternatives besides Ubuntu/Fedora to vote for. I guess they do it just to keep the FOSS community happy by providing "choice". If I were Lenovo I'd choose the distro which already provides an infrastructure, the mechanisms and the people for professional support contracts a.s.o. and, maybe even more important in terms of marketing, the one with the higher chances that people have heard of it already (hmm "Ubuntu, isn't that the thing which saves me 200$ when I buy a laptop from Dell?").

freakcode · 2008-04-29 15:54:52

Ubuntu for the masses.

firewalker · 2008-04-29 20:20:36

Taylor wrote:

I voted for Ubuntu...Arch isn't really for a beginner user, they have to get used to the command line. Ubuntu is user-friendly.

I think Slackware is the best choice for beginners. It is Linux. If you are able to survive a packet manager free Linux distro like Slackware then Linux is for you. Ubuntu does not (in my own opinion) represents Linux with the best way. It could be disorientating and confusing considering Linux.

cardinals_fan · 2008-04-30 01:44:14

I just want a Thinkpad with NO OS preloaded. If it had to include one, make it DesktopBSD (good for beginners and experienced users). BTW, is this poll still open? I can't find it...

EDIT: I just found this tidbit on that blog: "Due to licensing terms dictated by Microsoft to all vendors in the industry, a PC must ship with an operating system installed." So much for the blank Thinkpad...

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LB06 · 2008-04-30 02:10:48

I would never recommend Arch to a fresh Linux user (which most probably are). Not unless (s)he is willing to invest a lot of effort and really wants to learn Linux (most don't). Most people just want to be able to use devices/software, instead of understanding, learning and customising it. So Arch is a no go. Besides, this forum will be flooded with n00bs if we recommend Arch

B-Con · 2008-04-30 02:25:51

I voted for Arch, just to help it's numbers look respectable. Although I would most certainly agree that Ubuntu would be the better choice.

silver · 2008-04-30 06:01:24

I voted for Arch
but no effect to lenovo for chose ubuntu or suse!

kikinovak · 2008-04-30 06:42:17

I think Slackware is the best choice for beginners. It is Linux. If you are able to survive a packet manager free Linux distro like Slackware then Linux is for you.

My first Linux experience was Slackware 7.1 on a 486 with 32 MB RAM. Yeah, I learned a lot, but I think this is due to my excessive stubbornness.

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