Sup: Gmail Meets the Console

print · 2008-02-01 04:32:15

Yeah I used to top-post quite a bit, now whenever I see my old posts I'm ashamed.

semdornus wrote:

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
shining wrote:
Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
cactus wrote:
I agree with this.
Sorry, couldn't resist.

@phrakture: are you referring to this: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/14256
or do you have a custom solution, and if so would you mind sharing? That link only works for plaintext Gmail.

bangkok_manouel · 2008-02-01 04:41:46

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print wrote:

Yeah I used to top-post quite a bit, now whenever I see my old posts I'm ashamed.
semdornus wrote:
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
shining wrote:
Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
@phrakture: are you referring to this: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/14256
or do you have a custom solution, and if so would you mind sharing? That link only works for plaintext Gmail.

Bottom posters won't use anything else than plain text anyway

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blu3ness · 2008-02-01 06:20:24

may I ask why are we all so eager to replace gmail again? I still haven't found a single email client that beats gmail. Its handling of locale, indexing, labeling, macros are awesome..

if you say Sup will be more light-weight, loading the ruby interpreter isn't really that light-weight compared to opening a new tab on your firefox.

shining · 2008-02-01 07:01:42

semdornus wrote:

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Ahah, it worked

bangkok_manouel · 2008-02-01 07:14:55

[OT]

may I ask why are we all so eager to replace gmail again?

To use VIM as default editor AND to be able to bottom post of course

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patroclo7 · 2008-02-01 09:05:40

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patroclo7 · 2008-02-01 13:00:28

blu3ness wrote:

may I ask why are we all so eager to replace gmail again? I still haven't found a single email client that beats gmail. Its handling of locale, indexing, labeling, macros are awesome..
if you say Sup will be more light-weight, loading the ruby interpreter isn't really that light-weight compared to opening a new tab on your firefox.

I also find sup interface to be superior (in particular the ability to kill threads, the choice of an editor, gpg encryption, multiple buffers...). Moreover sup treats local mail, so you do not need to be always connected on a laptop.

print · 2008-02-01 13:58:42

bangkok_manouel wrote:

[OT]
may I ask why are we all so eager to replace gmail again?
To use VIM as default editor AND to be able to bottom post of course
[/OT]

Actually you don't need sup to use VIM as default editor:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4125

print · 2008-02-01 14:04:04

blu3ness wrote:

if you say Sup will be more light-weight, loading the ruby interpreter isn't really that light-weight compared to opening a new tab on your firefox.

As compared to one Firefox tab, which is analogous to one thread, the Ruby interpreter may be heavy. Anyone ambitious enough to prove this? In any case, you can't open a new tab (thread) until you open the beast of an application that is Firefox main. Firefox uses up waay more X resources than urxvt, and it leaks memory.

In my opinion there is nothing that comes close to being as resource-efficient as a gnu/screen session with tabs for htop, rexima, cmus, a root prompt, a normal user prompt, elinks, and now, sup.

Firefox is something I use like IE these days -- when some externality of some odd website forces me to. But you can still have your Gmail, I promise not to take it away.

blu3ness · 2008-02-01 17:32:04

well, the problem is, the chances are you are running a ruby program is less likely than running a firefox web page, unless you are a rails developer. This might be different for others but I always have a browser open with at least 5 tabs on one workspace, so adding one tab, like you said, is easy.

But yeah, firefox itself is very resource-hogging, but considering it's cross-platform, I'm not really that bothered.

schivmeister · 2008-02-01 18:39:57

well, some people want to save every little byte. peace of mind i would think.

phrakture · 2008-02-01 18:46:09

print wrote:

@phrakture: are you referring to this: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/14256
or do you have a custom solution, and if so would you mind sharing? That link only works for plaintext Gmail.

Yup that's it - works great

barebones · 2008-02-01 19:39:02

Pardon my ignorance, I've never used a console based e-mail client so this may sound dumb. Does a program like this download the entire contents of your e-mail account to your computer to read from, or does it just display information taken from gmail's (or whatever is your e-mail of choice) server? I don't need to save any of my e-mails on my computer, but it would be nice to have a quick way to check e-mail without having to open firefox.

print · 2008-02-01 20:04:12

RTFM?
http://sup.rubyforge.org/NewUserGuide.txt

patroclo7 · 2008-02-01 21:52:57

@barebones: since your question concerns all the console clients, I do not know if the documentation of sup can answer it. Basically, if you access your mail through IMAP; you do not download the mail, you only read and modify it directly on the server. If you DOWNLOAD it through POP or IMAP, then you download it . Both pine/alpine, mutt and sup have IMAP capabilities, but I do not think that there is a point in using sup for what you want to do, go with mutt or pine/alpine.

barebones · 2008-02-02 00:07:54

Thank you patroclo7, that was exactly the info I was looking for. That'll save me some time playing around with ruby dependencies too.

dolby · 2008-02-10 09:33:57

gmailreader might be interesting also.

patroclo7 · 2008-02-10 09:50:04

Very interesting, I am going to try (from the description, the only thing it lacks is the ability to make searches)

dolby · 2008-02-10 09:56:34

it does lack IMAP too. libgmail lacks IMAP and i dont think the gmailreader's author modified version supports it

patroclo7 · 2008-02-10 10:11:13

Well, it gets also 5 python exceptions in 5 minutes for me

print · 2008-02-10 18:36:09

I will continue to use sup because its name is so much cooler.

"Sup!"

By the way patroclo, sup does not support POP, n'est-ce pas?

Last edited by print (2008-02-10 18:38:30)

patroclo7 · 2008-02-10 21:18:37

No, you have to use an external mail fetcher (I use fdm)

finferflu · 2008-02-22 07:51:53

So, I guess we're not gonna see any PKGBUILD anytime soon... I don't have time now to write one myself, gotta wait anyway

dolby · 2008-02-22 13:21:56

i am sticking with mutt for the time being. i dont like alpine that much to switch and sup is a bitch to install and maintain with lots of deps. i think patroclo7 had a script for sup on his site but cant find it atm.

patroclo7 · 2008-02-23 17:49:30

No script. Actually 'gem install sup' is more comfortable for me and does not interfere badly with pacman in any way. Be aware however that the gettext dependency should stay at 1.10.0 version, 1.90.0 does not work well with sup. All the rest is finely autodetected

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