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skottish

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From: Here

Registered: 2006-06-16

Posts: 7,942

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

When you find the urlbar-autocompletion style visually bloated, get the addon Oldbar - it will bring back the single-line display. The new search mode (History, Bookmarks etc) will stay intact.

Much more readable, imho...

Awesome! Thanks a huge amount for the link.

Earlier Phrakture mentioned the 'places bar'.  What is this?  I have 3b3 installed and like it a lot. I haven't seen anything about a places bar though.

It's the new address bar thing that hokasch just taught me how to disable!

skottish

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From: Here

Registered: 2006-06-16

Posts: 7,942

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

The oldbar extension plus setting "browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped" to "true" in 'about:config' gets the address bar very close to the old behavior. I'm very happy with FF3 at the moment.

venox

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From: Curitiba, Brazil

Registered: 2003-08-23

Posts: 137

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Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

I'm using ff3b3 with vimperator 0.6pre and I have to say: it's really fast. The only thing that I miss is vimperator 0.6pre hints old behavior (with keys, not numbers).

ff3b3 is really great and I have uninstalled ff2 here.

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shining

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Registered: 2006-05-10

Posts: 2,043

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

I'm using ff3b3 with vimperator 0.6pre and I have to say: it's really fast. The only thing that I miss is vimperator 0.6pre hints old behavior (with keys, not numbers).

It doesn't work only with numbers. You usually just type the name of the link itself.
For example, when I want to click on "Show new messages", I simply type "show".
When the link name is not easy, or there are many links with similar names, better use the numbers.

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MillTek

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Registered: 2005-01-30

Posts: 442

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

HI,
I'd like to try ff3 with the new cairo pkg. Can someone tell me where to get it and how to install it?  Would I need a pkgbuild?

Thanks

skottish

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From: Here

Registered: 2006-06-16

Posts: 7,942

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

pkgname=cairo
pkgver=1.5.10
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="Cairo vector graphics library"
arch=(i686 x86_64)
license=('LGPL' 'MPL')
url="http://cairographics.org/"
depends=('libpng' 'libxrender' 'fontconfig')
makedepends=('pkgconfig')
options=('!libtool')
source=(http://cairographics.org/snapshots/${pkgname}-${pkgver}.tar.gz)


build() {
  cd ${startdir}/src/${pkgname}-${pkgver}
  ./configure --prefix=/usr
  make || return 1
  make DESTDIR=${startdir}/pkg install
}

Updated to 1.5.10

Last edited by skottish (2008-02-23 14:33:16)

MillTek

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Registered: 2005-01-30

Posts: 442

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

Skottish!!!   I am beyond impressed!!!  That is awesome.

Thanks very much!!!

Stalafin

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From: Berlin, Germany

Registered: 2007-10-26

Posts: 617

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

Could someone post a comparison between the standard font library and that modified one?

SpookyET

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Registered: 2008-01-27

Posts: 410

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

Try http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=15184

dawn

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Registered: 2008-01-15

Posts: 51

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

I'm curious to hear from long term Opera users on what they think about this build. If you have both on your system, and the cache has had time to propagate, what are your impressions in terms of speed?

I'm using opera snapshot 20080118 right now, and firefox is very close to it in terms of speed. I think firefox might actually be a bit faster, but it is very hard to tell.

I'm using Opera 9.25 and I must say that Firefox 3 Beta 3 is just as fast on my computer. My cache is automatically deleted in Opera when I close the browser, that's why I'm reporting my impressions from the 2-3 first times I've launched Firefox.

However, Firefox uses about the double of the memory Opera needs. (With no pages loaded: 25 Mb for Firefox, 13 Mb for Opera)

jdhore

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From: NYC

Registered: 2007-08-01

Posts: 156

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

I'm curious to hear from long term Opera users on what they think about this build. If you have both on your system, and the cache has had time to propagate, what are your impressions in terms of speed?

I'm using opera snapshot 20080118 right now, and firefox is very close to it in terms of speed. I think firefox might actually be a bit faster, but it is very hard to tell.

I'm using Opera 9.25 and I must say that Firefox 3 Beta 3 is just as fast on my computer. My cache is automatically deleted in Opera when I close the browser, that's why I'm reporting my impressions from the 2-3 first times I've launched Firefox.

However, Firefox uses about the double of the memory Opera needs. (With no pages loaded: 25 Mb for Firefox, 13 Mb for Opera)

From what i've been reading about Firefox 3's new way of memory allocation, it uses a bit more RAM on start, but after being open with a bunch of tabs for a day or 2, the RAM usage is lower.

Cotton

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From: Cornwall, UK

Registered: 2004-09-17

Posts: 568

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

Is this comparative high speed, with or without plugins enabled?

el mariachi

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Registered: 2007-11-30

Posts: 595

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

Could anyone post a comparsion to Kazehakase (xulrunner) and some WebKIT browser (Midori, epiphany) . I'm still using Kazehakase because it's the fastest (haven't tried FF3 nor opera) gecko browser I've found. and it's very low on mem usage.

jordz

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Registered: 2006-02-01

Posts: 248

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

I'm looking for new cairo-lcd patches, I found this http://cvs.pld-linux.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb … er-1.patch

But this doesn't patch:

patching file src/cairo-ft-font.c
Hunk #2 succeeded at 717 (offset 13 lines).
Hunk #4 succeeded at 1062 (offset 11 lines).
Hunk #6 FAILED at 1083.
Hunk #7 FAILED at 1105.
Hunk #8 succeeded at 1151 (offset 8 lines).
Hunk #10 FAILED at 1215.
Hunk #11 succeeded at 1662 (offset 10 lines).
3 out of 11 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file src/cairo-ft-font.c.rej

Anybody know some updated lcd patches for cairo? So I can use the new ff

alex_anthony

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From: UK

Registered: 2007-09-25

Posts: 344

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

I tried midori for a bit. Webkit seems nice and quite light, but for now I recommend not using it because its nowhere near feature complete (there's even a bug with open in new tab!). If you want to try webkit, use epiphany with webkit. Not tried that though.

Anyway, I'm liking ff3 atm. I like the proper system integration (or phoney, seeing as its xulrunner). Dark theme works nicely and I can have my lovely Kamel icons!

dawn

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Registered: 2008-01-15

Posts: 51

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

Is this comparative high speed, with or without plugins enabled?

Yes, that's high speed. Opera is the fastest browser I've ever used.

From what i've been reading about Firefox 3's new way of memory allocation, it uses a bit more RAM on start, but after being open with a bunch of tabs for a day or 2, the RAM usage is lower.

Well, I close my browser when I don't need it. I rarely leave a bunch of tabs open for hours.

Firefox 3 does seem promising, though. I've never used Firefox as my primary browser but I might actually consider it. I still have to figure out if there are extensions for all the built-in Opera features that I like so much.

Last edited by dawn (2008-02-25 19:17:46)

lenni

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From: London, UK

Registered: 2007-09-21

Posts: 95

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

@jordz

You can use cairo-ubuntu from AUR: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=14440

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jordz

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Registered: 2006-02-01

Posts: 248

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

@jordz

You can use cairo-ubuntu from AUR: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=14440

Thanks, I'm trying them now, I think the -lcd patchset looks better, hope they get updated soon! I'm compling firefox-spookyet atm

Sole

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Registered: 2007-04-09

Posts: 42

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

I have some questions about FF.

I've always wanted to use FF for the extensions, but I've always enjoyed how snappy opera is, I found out the reason it felt faster to me was that I constantly like to go back and forth though multiple pages, for example pages like gnome-look.org, it seems that opera pulls from the cache and give me the cached pages in the matter of split second when I go through the pages (previous visited pages) by clicking back and forth, FFs seems to check the page or render part of the page everytime I do that, I notice that is not the case for certain sites like google, but there weren't much graphics on google, so is it just the way the site is coded? I'm not familar with the way browser render pages, so I'm thinking there's probably a setting or two that could change that behavior, but I can't find the information anywhere, and no one understands what I'm talking about

MrWeatherbee

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Registered: 2007-08-01

Posts: 277

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

I have some questions about FF.

I've always wanted to use FF for the extensions, but I've always enjoyed how snappy opera is, I found out the reason it felt faster to me was that I constantly like to go back and forth though multiple pages, for example pages like gnome-look.org, it seems that opera pulls from the cache and give me the cached pages in the matter of split second when I go through the pages (previous visited pages) by clicking back and forth, FFs seems to check the page or render part of the page everytime I do that, I notice that is not the case for certain sites like google, but there weren't much graphics on google, so is it just the way the site is coded? I'm not familar with the way browser render pages, so I'm thinking there's probably a setting or two that could change that behavior, but I can't find the information anywhere, and no one understands what I'm talking about

Check these settings:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.cache … _frequency

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.cache.memory.enable

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.cache.memory.capacity

SpookyET

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Registered: 2008-01-27

Posts: 410

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

Does anyone feel like trying: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Bu … timization

ozar

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From: USA

Registered: 2005-02-18

Posts: 1,686

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

Yep, FF3 (b3) is pretty nice, and fast.  I've been using it for the last 3 or 4 days now and have been spoiled already.  Tried returning to FF2 but can't stick with it.  Looks like I'll be stuck in FF beta-land until the official release comes out.

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skottish

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Registered: 2006-06-16

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Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

Beta 4 source should be out within a week. Hopefully it will be the last one before final:

http://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/Firefox_3.0b4

ozar

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From: USA

Registered: 2005-02-18

Posts: 1,686

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

Beta 4 source should be out within a week. Hopefully it will be the last one before final:

http://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/Firefox_3.0b4

Thanks for the info... looking forward to it!

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stonecrest

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From: Boulder

Registered: 2005-01-22

Posts: 1,190

Re: [renamed] Holy Crap Firefox3b3 is fast! [b4 even faster]

Beta 4 source should be out within a week. Hopefully it will be the last one before final

After the betas, they go to Release Candidates..

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