larch-5.3 released

l3thal · 2009-01-12 04:28:33

using larchify to build a live cd/dvd from the current running arch linux by passing / to larchify as argument would only create the iso in /.larch ?

and thats can't be done as the root fs isn't that large , what if i want it to use my home dir as the temp dir to build the iso ?

l3thal · 2009-01-12 06:16:46

ok seems i will have to edit the script itself and change LARCHBUILD="${INSTLDIR}/.larch"

also i tried to export that

EDIT:

nvm i just linked it

Last edited by l3thal (2009-01-12 07:20:02)

gradgrind · 2009-01-12 08:38:31

It's difficult to know where to stop adding options - the more options the more flexible, but also the more complicated ... That was one I didn't add, but I guess you've found a solution, sort of.

LTSmash · 2009-01-21 20:24:32

Flying Saxman wrote:

LTSmash wrote:
Well I was working on an autoconfiguring script for X server including VESA fallback (based on ubuntu's solution...), so if it's needed I would also love to help.
I am also interested in these, as I do not get X running on my computer with larch and the standard-delievered xorg.confs.

I'm sorry, but I've lost all of my autoconf scripts since I errased my Live-CD proyect... but I guess I'll make some new (and better) one's... since I'm gonna help with the Shift Linux proyect, and they'll come in handy.

l3thal · 2009-02-05 21:42:36

hmm after building the iso i always get a kernel panic with mu profile and ines provded with the package .

any idea ?

rdmelin · 2009-02-05 22:00:42

after building the iso i always get a kernel panic

If you mean when booting the iso then +1 here. Just since the last -Syu

The messages that don't scroll off the screen indicate something regarding aufs.

kernel26 2.6.28.2-1

If others aren't having this issue I can dig deeper and post more debug info

BTW thanks gradgrind for the great toolkit.

firecat53 · 2009-02-05 23:57:35

I too have the kernel panic issue! Not sure how to capture bootup error messages yet (ok, yes, I haven't googled it yet!!), so I can't tell what the nature of the error is and it locks up so I can't scroll back up and see.

Scott

godane · 2009-02-06 01:42:43

This kernel panic is cause kernel26 2.6.28.2-1 was build with gcc 4.3.3. kernel26 2.6.28.1-1 was build with gcc 4.3.2 same has aufs.

Aufs just has to be rebuild with gcc 4.3.3 and new kernel26 2.6.28.2-1.

rdmelin · 2009-02-06 02:27:53

Right you are.
yaourt -Sb aufs
Problem solved. Thanks

LTSmash · 2009-02-07 01:52:29

I have a question.

Does larch needs to be constantly updated to support new kernels? If this is the case, how can I get this done manually, so I do not have to wait for upstream updates?

gradgrind · 2009-02-07 12:17:53

LTSmash wrote:

I have a question.
Does larch needs to be constantly updated to support new kernels? If this is the case, how can I get this done manually, so I do not have to wait for upstream updates?

Do you mean when building a new larch system (not the same as updating, say, an existing larch usb stick)? If so, then the answer is 'not really'. larch tries to use as much standard Arch stuff as possible, so that normally there should be no problem. It's just that this time there is a problem with aufs - which is a standard Arch package, not larch specific.

As to updating existing larch usb-sticks, I hope to be able to improve the situation here, but it may take a while, as I am quite busy with other things and general developments in flash technology (increasing size, etc.) and the possibility that aufs may not eternally support the overlay merging method that larch presently uses need to be taken into account in determining the optimal way to proceed.

l3thal · 2009-02-10 11:40:30

hmm iam not sure if this is related to larch ( and i think its not ) but little help would be appreciated

iam having this conflict building my custom prfile or any other profile that comes with larch
not sure what would cause this conflict and idea ?

:: initscripts-splash: conflicts with initscripts-splashy

na12 · 2009-02-10 12:32:27

you must uninstall initscripts-splash before you install initscripts-splashy

l3thal · 2009-02-10 16:54:56

uninstall ?! its not installed

EDIT:

ehm , some repo screwed everything up , now its working after removing that ( WRONG!! )

EDIT again :

hmm , nop again i wanna know what depends on initscripts-splash !!

still same thing with all profiles

EDIT : NVM fixed

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l3thal · 2009-02-13 13:17:20

iam getting a kernel panic , is aufs having problems with kernel 2.6.28.4-1 ?

tried using 2-1 and its working !
EDIT : nvm i got it working by making the latest aufs package

Last edited by l3thal (2009-02-13 14:09:28)

hubertstar · 2009-02-13 17:27:49

I'am also getting a kernel panic, kernel 2.6.28.4 and 2.6.28.5

but kernel 2.6.28.2 is ok!

And aufs is rebuilded for current kernel(After change kernel version, rebuild aufs and reboot, then make cd iso), but boot from cd always get kernel panic.

gradgrind · 2009-02-14 14:15:08

Bug report: FS#13013

I have just done a quick test with a rebuilt aufs and it seems to work fine.

hubertstar · 2009-02-15 07:55:03

Sorry, I'm using a cached pkg dir, and aufs always download from REPO in larch.

Now it's ok after using rebuilded aufs package in larch.

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l3thal · 2009-02-15 18:15:55

any good and *Working* Installer you would like to point at ? : )

smartboyathome · 2009-02-16 04:54:37

I've never been able to get larch to work. It is always one thing or another that makes it not work.

Xyne · 2009-02-16 04:56:50

I'm hoping that the Arch iso team will eventually make tools available for creating custom live installation CDs with relative ease.

gradgrind · 2009-02-16 09:34:48

l3thal wrote:

any good and *Working* Installer you would like to point at ? : )

Would you care to say what was wrong with those you have tried? Have you reported bugs?

smartboyathome wrote:

I've never been able to get larch to work. It is always one thing or another that makes it not work.

Have you detailed your problems? I find it a little bit surprising as basic usage of larch is quite easy.

Xyne wrote:

I'm hoping that the Arch iso team will eventually make tools available for creating custom live installation CDs with relative ease.

I haven't tried it, but the archiso build script looks quite easy to use. It uses a vaguely similar approach to larch, with a somewhat more flexible overlay system but without larch's session saving features. What features would you like to see?

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l3thal · 2009-02-17 00:49:39

well there is no need to but here we go

for larchin ( that pygtk application ) BUT its buggy always and its not reaible

for tribe , 1st of all its alpha 1 ( alpha 2 is on the way ) , 2nd. its made for chakra distibution and to work with their scripts ( too many thing to do ) , i really customized it and now its working fine ( except some bugs that are not critical ) , also after installing the live cd into hdd , i get a grub error ( not relative to tribe but its supposed to do it all and install the boot loader correctly , i dont blame it or the devels , its still alpha1 and even though its of the greatest applications ever made by/fot the arch linux community : D )

someone like you ( expert , advanced or even used to ) live scripts and stuff can easily point at a nice installer : )

gradgrind · 2009-02-17 13:14:55

Well I guess the problem is not enough people want to test and use a live installer for Arch for there to be a good, well-tested one available. It is also not enough to make one once and then forget about it, because changes in linux and Arch mean that also the installer needs constant updating. This is probably more than one or two hobbyists can do in their spare time - we also don't have the time or hardware to do thorough testing.

Another point is that most Arch users probably won't install very often - I hardly ever do it, and when I do it might just be a case of copying an existing system to another, rather than a fresh install.

I am trying to keep larchin working (when I notice a problem I fix it - I have a few bug fixes which I have not yet uploaded) but it can really only get better if people test it and tell me what doesn't work, or what could be done better. I'm sure it is the same for the chakra people. I use python (and some bash) for my programs because I'm pretty sure it is easier to read, modify and maintain python than C++, though obviously the chakra people have a different opinion (and if I write cruddy python code, it might well be less accessible than their beautiful C++).

As you say, the complete kde4/chakra orientation of tribe is perhaps not everyone's cup of tea, but that is the focus of their project, so it's unfair to complain.

If you want your ideal installer I can only suggest working on/with one of the existing ones or building your own. In theory it would even be possible to use the Ubuntu or Red Hat installer, but I looked at their code once, and I could quickly see that it would not be easy - for me - to adapt them. It must be possible though as people have done it for other distributions. One of the problems is that they are basically undocumented, like far too many linux applications.

smartboyathome · 2009-02-18 02:54:35

Right now the error I am having is upon running the LiveCD. Here are the packages I installed:

# These are needed to build a live CD
larch-live
squashfs-tools
lzop
syslinux
aufs

# To eject a cd
eject

# Useful for use as installer, etc.
ntfsprogs
parted
sudo
lsof
cdrkit
dvd+rw-tools
base-devel
larch

# generally useful tools which don't require X
#mtools is required by syslinux
zsh
openssh
dosfstools
lynx
mc
unzip
zip
alsa-lib
alsa-oss
alsa-utils
cdparanoia
cdrdao
cups
cowsay

# Xorg packages
xorg-server
xorg-xkb-utils
xorg-xauth
xorg-server-utils
xorg-xinit
xorg-input-drivers
xorg-video-drivers

# X apps
e17-svn
e17-extra-svn

luser
localed
xkmap
gparted
larchin
gksu

slim
slim-theme-dlarch

firefox
gimp
wicd
mirage
transmission-gtk
pidgin
vlc
brasero
openoffice-base
file-roller
gcalctool
gedit
gnome-terminal
pcmanfm

# Fonts
ttf-dejavu
ttf-bitstream-vera
ttf-ms-fonts

What I get is a kernel panic, and a bunch of text before that which is a trace for a segmentation fault in the initramfs.

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Re: larch-5.3 released

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