Google Chrome

rson451 · 2008-09-04 00:20:16

Jacek Poplawski wrote:

I don't get it, if Chrome is open source then why noone can't make a real PKGBUILD?

Just because something is open source doesn't mean it was designed for use on linux. It's google. There will be linux sources available -- at their own disgression, trust me.

sen · 2008-09-04 00:33:09

I've used Chrome on my work laptop (WinXP) since release and... well... with this browser google has a good chance to monopolize the browser market as well.
It is damn fast at rendering web pages (thanks to webkit), loads fast and is practically "uncrashable". The UI is intuitive, self explaining and looks good. If they make it skinnable, make it possible to integrate plugins and release a Linux client I'll definately use it.
Damn google... ^^

AndyRTR · 2008-09-04 04:34:34

http://groups.google.com/group/chromium … 754c6d705#

there's still a lot to do before we can see a native ArchLinux package. feel free to keep on wine'ing

Mr Green · 2008-09-04 05:27:13

Does work of sorts under Wine but keeps crashing and not all functions work,

I'll wait to try Linux version ;-)

Photoshop whats that lol.....

MrG

Zeist · 2008-09-04 06:43:11

I tried out Chrome at work yesterday. It wasn't really mindblowing, but it wasn't bad either. For people who only needs a relatively quick and easy browser that isn't that complex it can eventually be something really good, and since this is essentially what IE brings to the table there is a chance that it could eventually take a rather large market share. For my own personal usage however it doesn't do everything I need it to and as such it isn't an option for me at this point, but in the future it may be and it would be nice to see a really good Webkit-based browser.

Since it is Google everyone thinks that it will do incredibly well, but one must remember that some browsers that nobody predicted would have an impact have done incredibly well and others that people thought would do well have failed miserably.

robmaloy · 2008-09-04 06:50:25

MANY people will keep using IE for the same reason they use windows:

it was already installed on their computer.

richs-lxh · 2008-09-04 08:04:30

Lord Illidan wrote:

What kind of secrets are they going to hide in an opensource browser? This is a Google project. Personally, I think lots of programmers will be thinking the same as you and will be eagerly scanning every morsel of their code to see if there is a potential leak, potential incriminating data going back to Google. Mozilla, Microsoft, Opera..wouldn't they want see if their new competitor was behaving?

No, not secrets, impossible with open source code, but what is going to be included in that code which can track IP to surfing habits, just as basic cookies do. More than anything I am concerned with a performance. We already have to wait for certain pages to load due to urchin and adsense adds downloading and sending data.

And if Google puts 1 foot out of line, Google will get their ass sued. I don't think they're dumb enough to do this mistake. And as to the why, perhaps Google wants to expand its presence in the Internet world, seeing that they are depending 100% on the internet anyway. Perhaps it's a branding issue. They want to show their competitors that they have the cojones to build a browser from scratch, and rethink the way we browse the web?

Sounds a bit like a taxi driver building his own taxi to me. Just reinventing the wheel. As it happens most of what they are proposing is available in FF and Opera anyway, and in any case, the problems with those browsers are the 3rd party scripts needed to view certain content, not the browsers themselves. Adobe Flash being the main culprit along with modified versions of Firefox, ie Iceweasel.
I would prefer to see Google spend a few millions on their own stable flash plugin instead of the browser.
As for Google getting sued, aint gonna happen, to big a competition now with enough money for top lawyers. Even MS don't want to mess with Google now.

And, you're paranoid about Google Chrome. What about Safari? Why would Apple make their own browser? Why would they release it on Windows? What can it provide that IE, Firefox, and Opera can't? Why didn't MS discontinue IE 6 when FF was pwning it's ass? And for that matter, you have more reason to be paranoid about the closed source browsers, since you have no way of seeing their code.

Paranoid no, inquisitive and sceptical yes. Obviously I am paranoid about closed source, which is why I am posting on a Linux forum, from a Linux box.

I am not a Google fan, but this privacy hysteria when it comes to Chrome is a bit unfounded in my opinion. Probably that was one of the main reasons why they opensourced it.
As to further reasons what it provides, read the comic. Seriously. Apart from some cool features such as a separate process for every tab, (we could definitely use it when Firefox clangs up sometimes), and a taskmanager, it also speeds up javascript. Again, this is of great use for them with their gmail applications, for instance. They might put a link in gmail - For optimal experience, use Google Chrome.

Well, I haven't actually witnessed any privacy hysteria yet... But no doubt it will come.courtesy of IE and FF users/developers. Let's face it, no web based dveloper wants Google treading on their turf. I bet Google will release their edition of linux within a couple of years, and if they keep up their trend of being bloated and slow, it'll probably be based on Ubuntu Lol.
GEarth is cool, but the online apps Google documents and desktop, are all crocs. Too slow and messy. Hence the reason I wouldn't use any of them.

Personally I think that projects always become bloated and cumbersome as soon as they get too big, (Microsoft, Ubuntu, Google), so I don't think that Chrome will be any better than Firefox. Whatsmore, maybe Google has decided that the lack of interest in it's web-based apps need a browser to create some incentive. Who knows.

richs-lxh

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X/ax · 2008-09-04 08:35:58

Anyone here interested enough in chronium to take over? Seems like a whole lot of code, but once you master that amount, I think you can safely say you are chromium expert :')

As for the linux client, I'll be waiting patiently, also, the current chrome is not quite what I would expect from my all-day browser. And already a whole lot of security advicements are streaming into my mailbox about chrome...
But I do think google has got his hands on a jewel, and before firefox starts adopting the great parts of chrome, I'll probably be using chrome once it's out on the linux's

However, fear for the ubuntu-type of code is growing too. I even expect the damt thing not to work in xmonad (which I love to use), seeing the current windows design, we can safely say they aren't quite using the standard frameworks... Pray is what I do ^^

redefine · 2008-09-04 08:39:21

well, i'm posting from chrome now in arch, and honestly, its pretty scratchy, even though it is beta.

but if my experiences of it in windows is anything to go by, it looks really promising i think. i really like the intuitive ui, and the out-of-the-way browser concept. and i like the speed. cant wait for the linux port.

RobertoVanto · 2008-09-04 08:59:05

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roadmap/ … pdate.html

Lord Illidan · 2008-09-04 09:05:54

RobertoVanto wrote:

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roadmap/ … pdate.html

Nice, it's always good to see these developers competing for more speed. In the end, we consumers benefit from faster browsing.

richs-lxh · 2008-09-04 09:10:48

Lord Illidan wrote:

RobertoVanto wrote:
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roadmap/ … pdate.html
Nice, it's always good to see these developers competing for more speed. In the end, we consumers benefit from faster browsing.

+1

rocktorrentz · 2008-09-04 09:22:17

Anyone fancy making a googlechrome-svn pkgbuild?

http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how- … ions-linux

edit: Sorry didn't read the big red box

"Note: There is no working Chromium-based browser on Linux. Although many Chromium submodules build under Linux and a few unit tests pass, all that runs is a command-line "all tests pass" executable."

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finferflu · 2008-09-04 10:02:20

What I see to be very positive is that being this browser open source, and being Google very creative, we might very likely see some of Chrome's best features in Firefox (or some other browser, who knows) in the near future. I can only see Chrome as a good thing in the browsers market.

May-C · 2008-09-04 11:59:55

kensai wrote:

May-C wrote:
kensai wrote:
This is the 3rd time I say so. I am getting the feeling that people does not read my posts.
And AFAIK it is the 3rd time you are just wrong. Chromium is possible to build for windows. The result of the build is chrome... Here is an instruction how to build chromium on Windows: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how- … ns-windows Did not test it on my own thought...
Am I talking about the Windows build, have I ever mentioned the windows build? Is anyone here talking about building the chromium utilities on Windows? Go ahead and build it on Windows for all I care. But never say I'm wrong before having facts. Check here, see the warning, there is no possible browser that can be built for Linux yet out of the chromium source.

Wow,wow,wow calm down... As you can see I used the term AFAIK... So no reason to overreact. So let's quote the side you are mentioning:

There is no working Chromium-based browser on Linux. Although many Chromium submodules build under Linux and a few unit tests pass, all that runs is a command-line "all tests pass" executable.

If you would read AND understand it you could realise that it is not possible to compile the complete browser because you can't compile all modules. But if all modules would compile you would have a Browser... A browser called chrome...

freakcode · 2008-09-04 14:09:13

Lord Illidan wrote:

freakcode wrote:
Well, it's pretty obvious that the purpose of launching a browser is that they can control the whole software chain - from the peer's browser, to the web apps, to the "cloud". And it's also pretty obvious that they want this so they can do better what they do best: sell ads. That's also the whole point for not including an Ad-Blocking feature like in Firefox (people would complain it's unfair to block other's ads but not Google's own)
And since it's OpenSource, anyone can make and install his own plugin that enables ad-blocking. Firefox doesn't come with an Ad-Blocking feature out of the box, it's just a very popular extension.
But most of the users who bother enough about Ad-blocking are never going to click on any ads, so showing them ads would just be a waste of bandwith.

You can't count on add-ons. There are exactly 0 at this point.

Dusty · 2008-09-04 14:43:48

Hey guys,

Guess what: The browser is open source. It doesn't work on Linux. So what do you do when an open source app doesn't work on Linux?

a) Whine and complain that the app is not supported on Linux and think somebody might give a damn that your life sucks so bad until the people who released it get their act together and fix it for Linux.
b) Fix it yourself.

I mean come on. The code is there, its BSD, you can fork it and fix it, you can fix and submit patches, hell you can fork it and release it under your own closed source license and sell it for lots of money. You have all these options open and you sit on your ass and complain that nobody's doing anything for you.

Its very nice of Google to release all their crap for free (beer). Its even nicer when they do it for free (speech). What gives you the right to demand any support whatsoever from them?

But you say "the google developers are paid for this, its not like the Arch volunteers who work so hard for me and I give them back nothing". True enough but guess what? They're paid to care about Windows. The good luck is they give you the option to fix it for Linux yourself.

Now you say "I can't code, somebody should fix it for me. Sure. Learn to code or sit on your ass patiently and wait for somebody who can to have the gumption to do it.

Dusty

Mr Green · 2008-09-04 15:09:24

http://www.myscienceisbetter.info/2008/ … -wine.html

Give Chrome a go under wine see what you think

Then we will all club together to pay Dusty loads of money to fix it for Linux :-)

MrG

kensai · 2008-09-04 17:37:33

May-C wrote:

Wow,wow,wow calm down... As you can see I used the term AFAIK... So no reason to overreact.
[...]
If you would read AND understand it you could realise that it is not possible to compile the complete browser because you can't compile all modules. But if all modules would compile you would have a Browser... A browser called chrome...

You do understand that in writing there is no possible way to know if I'm overreacting right?

And, my point still proven right, I said there is now way to get chrome to compile on Linux yet.

So, please, stop arguing.

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Dusty · 2008-09-04 17:59:21

kensai wrote:

And, my point still proven right, I said there is now way to get chrome to compile on Linux yet.

You missed my point. There is a way to make it compile on Linux, you just haven't put the effort in. :-P

Dusty

crouse · 2008-09-04 18:17:53

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1843.
Google Chrome vulnerable to carpet-bombing flaw

Just FYI ..... it's beta, so...... to be expected to have some flaws....

X/ax · 2008-09-04 18:43:18

I follow Dusty's plea, I think we should gang together and at least start doing something.
I have seen it's a whole damn lot of code, and I'm all but fluent in C, so much work couldn't be done by me (especially by the time I have), but if we can get it over to a little team, I would like to be in to help everyone, and the community.

kensai · 2008-09-04 18:55:59

Dusty wrote:

kensai wrote:
And, my point still proven right, I said there is now way to get chrome to compile on Linux yet.
You missed my point. There is a way to make it compile on Linux, you just haven't put the effort in. :-P
Dusty

Good luck with that.

Mr Green · 2008-09-04 19:33:05

Is Chrome python based?

X/ax · 2008-09-04 19:39:53

Mr Green wrote:

Is Chrome python based?

More like java based?
Why would it be python based?

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