Gnome 2.24

kasa · 2008-09-26 19:06:21

@JGC:
Consolekit needs a PAM module: pam_ck_connector, which is in the pkg. It's needed only in /etc/pam.d/login, since GDM uses consolekit natively (if compiled with the support enabled).

@ baze:
As for networkmanager and consolekit / policykit, context=at_console is not related to consolekit, but pam_console, which is not shipped by archlinux, and is going to be removed from Fedora and hopefully Ubuntu:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/ … PAMConsole

kasa · 2008-09-26 19:10:03

For the record, my /etc/pam.d/login

auth            required        pam_securetty.so
auth            requisite       pam_nologin.so
auth            required        pam_unix.so nullok
auth            required        pam_tally.so onerr=succeed file=/var/log/faillog
# use this to lockout accounts for 10 minutes after 3 failed attempts
#auth           required        pam_tally.so deny=2 unlock_time=600 onerr=succeed file=/var/log/faillog
account         required        pam_access.so
account         required        pam_time.so
account         required        pam_unix.so
#password       required        pam_cracklib.so difok=2 minlen=8 dcredit=2 ocredit=2 retry=3
#password       required        pam_unix.so md5 shadow use_authtok
session         required        pam_unix.so
session         required        pam_env.so
session         required        pam_motd.so
session         required        pam_limits.so
session         optional        pam_mail.so dir=/var/spool/mail standard
session         optional        pam_lastlog.so
session         optional        pam_ck_connector.so

baze · 2008-09-26 19:32:11

kasa wrote:

@JGC:
Consolekit needs a PAM module: pam_ck_connector, which is in the pkg. It's needed only in /etc/pam.d/login, since GDM uses consolekit natively (if compiled with the support enabled).
@ baze:
As for networkmanager and consolekit / policykit, context=at_console is not related to consolekit, but pam_console, which is not shipped by archlinux, and is going to be removed from Fedora and hopefully Ubuntu:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/ … PAMConsole

thanks for clearing this up. do you have any idea how to test if consolekit is working properly?

pjjanak · 2008-09-27 19:49:30

2.24 packages have started showing up in testing. So, we should see new gnome soon

Peter

linfan · 2008-09-27 20:20:16

Quite a lot of conflicts installing gnome 2.24 from testing. I dare not install it yet, but I will check in here now and then and see your successes.

kensai · 2008-09-27 21:57:54

linfan wrote:

Quite a lot of conflicts installing gnome 2.24 from testing. I dare not install it yet, but I will check in here now and then and see your successes.

I got the temptation to try the new GNOME, at least the packages that are coming out right now to testing, all is going fine, GNOME is a very backward compatible DE you can use parts of 2.24 with parts of 2.22 without a single problem.

JGC · 2008-09-27 22:56:24

The ones in testing are the ones that can be installed without breaking other applications. At this moment I'm in the middle of gnome-desktop/evolution/totem-plparser breakage, so we'll have to be patient for the rest of the packages until everything is packaged.

There's 38 packages left on my todo list for the gnome desktop suite. After that, I'll have to rebuild some applications that link to these desktop modules and some of these 38 packages have external dependencies to xulrunner which I want to upgrade to firefox 3.0.3-level first.

molom · 2008-09-28 02:20:52

Will be looking forward to try it in the near future. The Gnome devs seem to concentrate on making innovative features and being consistent opposed to KDE. KDE seems to emphasize more on eye candy and being the most customizable DE. Then again, its just my opinion

smakked · 2008-09-28 03:04:40

SO a little longer after the i686 packeges we will se the x86_64 packages arrive?

kasa · 2008-09-28 07:37:17

baze wrote:

thanks for clearing this up. do you have any idea how to test if consolekit is working properly?

The only way that comes to my mind is issue the command ck-list-sessions: mine looks like this

(~) kinetic $ ck-list-sessions 
Session1:
    unix-user = '1000'
    realname = 'Alberto Casetta,,,'
    seat = 'Seat1'
    session-type = ''
    active = TRUE
    x11-display = ':0'
    x11-display-device = '/dev/tty7'
    display-device = ''
    remote-host-name = ''
    is-local = TRUE
    on-since = '2008-09-28T07:25:05.032171Z'
    login-session-id = ''
Session2:
    unix-user = '0'
    realname = 'root'
    seat = 'Seat1'
    session-type = ''
    active = FALSE
    x11-display = ''
    x11-display-device = ''
    display-device = '/dev/vc/1'
    remote-host-name = ''
    is-local = TRUE
    on-since = '2008-09-28T07:35:13.973690Z'
    login-session-id = ''

This is my session in GDM and a session as root on console 1

linfan · 2008-09-28 08:35:33

ok, i finally tried it out - seems it works well and is backwards compatible. I am a bit unwilling, though, to install all of testing. I started with enabling testing and then pacman -Sy gnome gnome-extra, but as new packages arrive now and then, I wonder how I can only upgrade the packages that belong to gnome? It feels a bit excessive to issue pacman -Sy gnome gnome-extra all the time and reinstalling the ones already installed in order to add the new ones as all packages that go to gnome don't have 'gnome' in their name.

Last edited by linfan (2008-09-28 08:37:05)

damumbl · 2008-09-28 10:24:03

linfan wrote:

[...] I wonder how I can only upgrade the packages that belong to gnome? It feels a bit excessive to issue pacman -Sy gnome gnome-extra all the time and reinstalling the ones already installed in order to add the new ones as all packages that go to gnome don't have 'gnome' in their name.

Try using the --needed option of pacman. It ignores the packages that are up2date.

linfan · 2008-09-28 19:08:47

I noticed that gnome-consolekit was installed but with a lot of error msg's. I do not run gdm, so I guess the consolekit is nothing I will miss or need.

brandonvvv · 2008-10-06 18:07:33

bump.
any updates?

Rasi · 2008-10-06 18:46:58

molom wrote:

Will be looking forward to try it in the near future. The Gnome devs seem to concentrate on making innovative features and being consistent opposed to KDE. KDE seems to emphasize more on eye candy and being the most customizable DE. Then again, its just my opinion

Is this irony? Havent seen any new features for years in gnome... Just some new apps, that werent new at all, just not part of gnome

smakked · 2008-10-10 06:57:58

Bump for a Gnome fan, Any updates as to how it is going?

Last edited by smakked (2008-10-10 06:58:10)

zhuqin · 2008-10-10 12:46:28

http://repos.archlinux.org/viewvc.cgi/? … te#dirlist

linfan · 2008-10-12 10:47:15

Where are the latest gnome pkgs for x86_64? I noticed there are only pkgs for i686 as of today

FLCLFan · 2008-10-12 16:18:33

Thats life. You have to accept that us x64 users are the minority and packages usually come out for x32 before x64.

We just have to wait our turn

Edit: I was joking

Last edited by FLCLFan (2008-10-12 19:50:03)

wonder · 2008-10-12 16:24:50

don't complain FLCLFan. gnome 2.22 was first for x86_64 and then for i686

Last edited by wonder (2008-10-12 16:36:05)

kensai · 2008-10-12 19:37:47

wonder wrote:

don't complain FLCLFan. gnome 2.22 was first for x86_64 and then for i686

Just about to say the same.

And also, *sigh* some people never learn. Do you think a developer can upload all the i686 and x86_64 packages at the same time so it all appears at the same time? *sigh* Yeah, he can, but that will take him a lot more work and less testing can be done before it all is live.

*sigh*

FLCLFan · 2008-10-12 19:52:55

kensai wrote:

wonder wrote:
don't complain FLCLFan. gnome 2.22 was first for x86_64 and then for i686
Just about to say the same.
And also, *sigh* some people never learn. Do you think a developer can upload all the i686 and x86_64 packages at the same time so it all appears at the same time? *sigh* Yeah, he can, but that will take him a lot more work and less testing can be done before it all is live.
*sigh*

I edited my post. I was half joking when I said that. I thought it would be obvious that its because the dev cant do everything at once. The other half is that most packages do get updated for 32 before 64 .

Lighten up peoples.

SyXbiT · 2008-10-13 01:17:13

JGC wrote:

- completely revised gdm package (the current one sucks)

so do you mean that gnome 2.24 has a revised gdm? (that would be great news. what's improved?)

I've not read anything about that. I read that they planned on rewriting it by 2.30 (3.0)
you're right about the current gdm sucking though:)

iBertus · 2008-10-13 04:22:18

SyXbiT wrote:

JGC wrote:
- completely revised gdm package (the current one sucks)
so do you mean that gnome 2.24 has a revised gdm? (that would be great news. what's improved?)
I've not read anything about that. I read that they planned on rewriting it by 2.30 (3.0)
you're right about the current gdm sucking though:)

I think he just means that the method of packaging GDM is improved.

JGC · 2008-10-13 06:57:26

GDM was updated to the latest 2.20.x version with some changes:
- default config has some bugs removed
- gdm runs with its own user
- gnome-keyring pam integration by default
- rc script changed a little bit
- dbus started by /etc/X11/xinitrc.d scriptlet

This is what I call a revised gdm package, as many things have been taken care of. I have done some work on the 2.23.x versions of gdm also, but couldn't get it working. As 2.20.x works fine for me and many others, I'll stick to that version.

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