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#4726 2013-01-31 16:35:33

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

@Vi0l0
Have you tried with a new Steam account? big_smile


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#4727 2013-01-31 16:40:04

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Trololol! Seriously? xD
Edit: btw sounds like repairing Windows (via format c: ofc) ;P...

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#4728 2013-01-31 16:41:29

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

No man, just messing with you big_smile TF2 actually runs fine here, it's just that my CPU overheats so my laptop shuts down tongue


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#4729 2013-01-31 16:46:25

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

if it's really translating directx to opengl then in the day when i will run ie. Crysis 3 from Steam on Linux also my CPU will burn (in nanoseconds)...
Edit: just to mention: latelly i bought i7-3770K, edit2: hmm... wondering if i could somehow perform pxp-like switch (got something like Virtu MVP on MB)... hmmm

Edit3: steam is not only buggy, but also hard to debug, even when running `steam -dev` it's not telling a thing about the bug, just like saying "everything is fine, just wait for eternity, maybe i will launch it someday"

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#4730 2013-02-01 22:44:20

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

No doubt this has been mentioned in this thread, but is the AMD Catalyst driver for Linux expected to give lower 3D performance than its Windows equivalent? Because I am getting lower performance with it than I do on Windows, by a long way. ATI Radeon HD 5670 with 1 GB video RAM, btw.

I'm not exactly complaining, I'm just curious as to whether others experience this.

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#4731 2013-02-02 01:36:34

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Archimaredes wrote:

No doubt this has been mentioned in this thread, but is the AMD Catalyst driver for Linux expected to give lower 3D performance than its Windows equivalent? Because I am getting lower performance with it than I do on Windows, by a long way. ATI Radeon HD 5670 with 1 GB video RAM, btw.

I'm not exactly complaining, I'm just curious as to whether others experience this.

I guess, you are comparing the Direct3D driver part in Windows with the OpenGL driver part in Arch Linux. If so, then yes, the driver in Windows should be better as expected. If you compare the Windows OpenGL with the Linux OpenGL, then there shouldn't be a significant difference (there was none the last time I checked).

Also which games/programs are you comparing in Windows and Linux, because those Windows games, that use the Direct3D --> OpenGL redirection method (like the Valve games and many Humble Indie Bundle Ports) will be slower in Linux, because the redirection costs more CPU power.

And before you quote the Valve Left4Dead2 is faster in Linux thing: That is more PR than real life scenario. They had such a powerful pc for that test, so that they won't see the bottlenecks.

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#4732 2013-02-03 13:49:27

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

ChemBro wrote:
Archimaredes wrote:

No doubt this has been mentioned in this thread, but is the AMD Catalyst driver for Linux expected to give lower 3D performance than its Windows equivalent? Because I am getting lower performance with it than I do on Windows, by a long way. ATI Radeon HD 5670 with 1 GB video RAM, btw.

I'm not exactly complaining, I'm just curious as to whether others experience this.

I guess, you are comparing the Direct3D driver part in Windows with the OpenGL driver part in Arch Linux. If so, then yes, the driver in Windows should be better as expected. If you compare the Windows OpenGL with the Linux OpenGL, then there shouldn't be a significant difference (there was none the last time I checked).

Also which games/programs are you comparing in Windows and Linux, because those Windows games, that use the Direct3D --> OpenGL redirection method (like the Valve games and many Humble Indie Bundle Ports) will be slower in Linux, because the redirection costs more CPU power.

And before you quote the Valve Left4Dead2 is faster in Linux thing: That is more PR than real life scenario. They had such a powerful pc for that test, so that they won't see the bottlenecks.

Well, I've tested Half-Life, Minecraft and Team Fortress 2. Half-Life and Minecraft aren't exactly intensive so I spotted little difference (but the difference is there), but TF2 struggles.

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#4733 2013-02-03 13:55:48

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Archimaredes wrote:

but TF2 struggles.

With the 13.2 beta 3 driver?

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#4734 2013-02-04 15:10:12

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

I have to disable VariBright every time I reboot. Does anyone else have the same problem?

Also, is there a command line way of disabling it? That would make this bug easier to deal with, at least.

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#4735 2013-02-04 18:32:32

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

thebluesgnr wrote:

I have to disable VariBright every time I reboot. Does anyone else have the same problem?

Also, is there a command line way of disabling it? That would make this bug easier to deal with, at least.

Maybe setting PP_VariBrightFeatureEnable variable to PP_VariBrightFeatureEnable=V0 in /etc/ati/amdpcsdb _and_ /etc/ati/amdpcsdb.default will help?

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#4736 2013-02-06 15:37:51

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Vi0L0 wrote:
thebluesgnr wrote:

I have to disable VariBright every time I reboot. Does anyone else have the same problem?

Also, is there a command line way of disabling it? That would make this bug easier to deal with, at least.

Maybe setting PP_VariBrightFeatureEnable variable to PP_VariBrightFeatureEnable=V0 in /etc/ati/amdpcsdb _and_ /etc/ati/amdpcsdb.default will help?

Thanks for the advice.
I edited all occurrences in both files but still it seems that VariBright gets reenabled after a reboot.

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#4737 2013-02-06 16:08:56

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Looks like ascarpino deleted both catalyst-utils and lib32-catalyst-utils from AUR and as a reason he wrote that it's duplicate of [community] packages - ok, seems reasonable for me.

Latelly after weirddan455' comment on catalyst@AUR i was thinking about the fact that [community] repo and [catalyst] repo are sharing pkgs in same versions, and actually only -pxp pkgs are in plus for [catalyst] repo. So I was thinking about moving [catalyst] repo step forward and changing it into testing repo with new betas.
There has been more betas then stable releases recently so i don't think it's the bad idea.

For (pxp) users who do like stable versions i will create [catalyst-stable] repo with current stable packages.

What do you think about this?


thebluesgnr wrote:
Vi0L0 wrote:
thebluesgnr wrote:

I have to disable VariBright every time I reboot. Does anyone else have the same problem?

Also, is there a command line way of disabling it? That would make this bug easier to deal with, at least.

Maybe setting PP_VariBrightFeatureEnable variable to PP_VariBrightFeatureEnable=V0 in /etc/ati/amdpcsdb _and_ /etc/ati/amdpcsdb.default will help?

Thanks for the advice.
I edited all occurrences in both files but still it seems that VariBright gets reenabled after a reboot.

hah, i though it will help. Does it keeping value  =V0 after reboot, or is it changing?

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#4738 2013-02-06 16:10:50

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

We still don't know what will happen when a newer version of Xorg comes out that Catalyst doesn't support. What will happen in that case, if your repository is removed?


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#4739 2013-02-06 16:14:19

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Unia wrote:

We still don't know what will happen when a newer version of Xorg comes out that Catalyst doesn't support. What will happen in that case, if your repository is removed?

I'm not planning to remove [catalyst] repos, hope that apocalypsus isn't planning this either wink

i'm only planning:
- [catalyst] with latest beta
- [catalyst-stable] with latest stable rls

edit:
ofc [catalyst-hd234k] stays untouched

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#4740 2013-02-06 16:15:11

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In that case, I'd say go for it! wink


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#4741 2013-02-06 18:42:56

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

ChemBro wrote:
Archimaredes wrote:

but TF2 struggles.

With the 13.2 beta 3 driver?

No, I have 13.1 from the official repositories. Should I replace it with catalyst-test from the AUR?

EDIT: Also, does this latest beta also not support xorg-server 1.13? I'm still holding back to 1.12 currently.

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#4742 2013-02-06 19:10:52

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Archimaredes wrote:
ChemBro wrote:
Archimaredes wrote:

but TF2 struggles.

With the 13.2 beta 3 driver?

No, I have 13.1 from the official repositories. Should I replace it with catalyst-test from the AUR?

EDIT: Also, does this latest beta also not support xorg-server 1.13? I'm still holding back to 1.12 currently.

1.) 13.1 and 13.2 both support xorg-server 1.13.

2.) 13.2 beta 3 has a 300%+ performance boost for TF2. That does not mean, TF2 is now ultra fast, it means, it is now playable. At least for me.

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#4743 2013-02-06 19:12:30

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

ChemBro wrote:
Archimaredes wrote:
ChemBro wrote:

With the 13.2 beta 3 driver?

No, I have 13.1 from the official repositories. Should I replace it with catalyst-test from the AUR?

EDIT: Also, does this latest beta also not support xorg-server 1.13? I'm still holding back to 1.12 currently.

1.) 13.1 and 13.2 both support xorg-server 1.13.

2.) 13.2 beta 3 has a 300%+ performance boost for TF2. That does not mean, TF2 is now ultra fast, it means, it is now playable. At least for me.

Great! Just installed catalyst-test, will install new xorg stuff now. Thanks.

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#4744 2013-02-07 04:24:09

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Vi0L0 wrote:

hah, i though it will help. Does it keeping value  =V0 after reboot, or is it changing?

Oh, I know. It was good advice. smile

The amdpcsdb file kept changing after reboot so my change only remained in amdpcdsdb.default. Thanks to the variable you pointed out I did some googling and found the command "sudo aticonfig --set-pcs-u32=MCIL,PP_UserVariBrightEnable,0". Now it seems to have stuck, we'll see.

Thanks again! For the help and for maintaining the repo.

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#4745 2013-02-07 20:55:30

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Hi,
Looks like we (legacy users only ?) will not be able to use desktop effects on KDE 4.10 and higher.
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314602#c6

Last edited by omeringen (2013-02-07 21:18:27)

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#4746 2013-02-08 04:01:49

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Should the 13.1 legacy drivers work with an RS780 (HD3200) on a 3.7.5 kernel and xorg 1.13?  I'm asking because I can't seem to get it to work. dmesg shows an error when loading fglrx that says "No supported display adapters were found."  I know that seems pretty clear, but I'm seeing conflicting information around the web that seems to indicate that it should work.  Can someone please provide me some clarity?

EDIT:  From what I've read, it seems catalyst legacy 13.1 still doesn't work with xorg 1.13.  Either way, I still get the error message when loading the module.

[    4.309091] <6>[fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 2620 MBytes.
[    4.309401] <3>[fglrx:firegl_init_device_list] *ERROR* No supported display adapters were found
[    4.309405] <3>[fglrx:firegl_init_module] *ERROR* firegl_init_devices failed

EDIT:  I checked the aliases from the fglrx module, but I don't see the ven/dev id (1002:9610) for my IGP :-\  Does this mean the legacy 13.1 module won't work at all for me?

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#4747 2013-02-08 11:11:01

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

hanman wrote:

Should the 13.1 legacy drivers work with an RS780 (HD3200) on a 3.7.5 kernel and xorg 1.13?

Kernel 3.7 with a patch, I guess. xorg 1.13: No.

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#4748 2013-02-08 13:55:55

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ChemBro wrote:

Kernel 3.7 with a patch, I guess. xorg 1.13: No.

I never had any luck with Vi0L0's legacy repository, but the AUR total package worked great!  Thanks for the hint that got me going!

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#4749 2013-02-08 19:24:09

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Hope it's not out of place here to say thanks for all the work, Vi0L0—and everyone else involved—in keeping my Radeon card up and running all these months. I can't believe I'm actually running xorg 1.13 now without a hitch! Surely that means a new version is due any day now, hah.

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#4750 2013-02-09 01:30:08

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

omeringen wrote:

Hi,
Looks like we (legacy users only ?) will not be able to use desktop effects on KDE 4.10 and higher.
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314602#c6

I did a test and desktop effects are working without any issues. But still there isn't any direct OpenGL rendering support for us.

EDIT: After a few reboots and struggling with KWin, it looks like Blur effect is completely broken with legacy catalyst drivers. After switching to open source drivers, problem is gone. Thank you AMD!!! big_smile

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