The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

kensai · 2009-07-08 13:59:42

I don't know why, this is weird, but actually last night I had a dream about catalyst 9.7 being released and compiling fine without all the patches, working flawlessly with kernel 2.6.30. Man, let's hope the dream comes true, not my mind just wishful thinking.

lucasdemarchi · 2009-07-08 14:41:52

@kensai
For me it looks more as this (de)motivator: http://www.despair.com/success.html , where "other people" means "ati developers"

kensai · 2009-07-08 14:59:31

@lucasdemarchi, thanks for the wakeup call, I did needed it to get back on reality.

kgas · 2009-07-08 17:35:21

@lucasdemarchi, no games in the machines(without catalyst compiz is not working (white screen)). Other software you, mean about the normal applications like Ooo etc? Applications are working fine (DE : GNOME)

hunterthomson · 2009-07-09 05:04:03

kensai wrote:

I don't know why, this is weird, but actually last night I had a dream about catalyst 9.7 being released and compiling fine without all the patches, working flawlessly with kernel 2.6.30. Man, let's hope the dream comes true, not my mind just wishful thinking.

Maybe you should take a brake for a bit. It sounds like your working to hard

But again thank you so much for your work. I'd kill myself if I was had to use Ubuntu do to lack of hardware support in Arch. Once you go Arch there's no going back, to the Ubuntu Upgrade hell and bloated packages.

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flako · 2009-07-09 16:00:04

I have used the radeonhd driver for some time now, but as i wanted to try out some linux games, i tried installing the catalyst driver again for some 3d support. I followed some of the posts in this thread and installed the catalyst and catalyst-utils packages for i686 from kensai's repo (thank you kensai).

Unfortunately, after installing the new driver, X won't start. It won't recognise my card when i try to run 'startx' and trying to configure the xserver doesn't work either. When i run 'aticonfig --initial' as root i just get a "No supported adapters detected" message

I'm running the newest kernel on i686 arch, and I have an ati x1950xt card (r500)

EDIT: After reading up some more on the issue, it seems that ati dropped support for my card too :S oh, this was fun, they just wasted a couple of hours of my life and i'm never getting them back, i guess i'll join in with the ati-bashers from now on...

Last edited by flako (2009-07-09 16:19:37)

kensai · 2009-07-09 16:24:44

OK, it is very confirmed by now, catalyst 9.6 doesn't work with kernel 2.6.30 for i686 users. Because here in x86_64 it works fine. Fine meaning the way it can for the very bad drivers AMD write.

flako · 2009-07-09 18:51:36

I don't know if i should post this in another thread, but as i already started here; i installed xf86-video-ati and i'm getting slow performance and tearing on video playback.
Is there a thread anywhere that deals with this problems as i guess i'm not the first one. I have tried searching but everytime i'm just burried in results (seems like i'm not the only one having problems with the ATI drivers heh ) Someones working xorg.conf would be enough, i guess.

mahan_h · 2009-07-10 07:59:49

In order to install the ATI proprietary driver for my Radeon Mobility X300

1-I fully read the ATI arch wiki
2-downloaded catalyst from AUR. makepkg -s
prompts that it needs catalyst-utils
3-downloaded catalyst-utils from AUR. makepkg -s gives me :
A: catalyst*.bz file. sudo pacman -U catalyst*.bz prompts me that there is conflict with libgl
B: ati-driver*.run file. sudo sh ./ati-driver*.run issues errors during installation saved in a log file as follows:

[Message] Kernel Module : Trying to install a precompiled kernel module.
[Message] Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched.
[Message] Kernel Module : Found kernel module build environment, generating kernel module now.
AMD kernel module generator version 2.1
doing Makefile based build for kernel 2.6.x and higher
rm -rf *.c *.h *.o *.ko *.GCC* .??* *.symvers
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.30-ARCH/build SUBDIRS=/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.30-ARCH'
  CC [M]  /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.o
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:41:2: error: #error unknown or undefined architecture configured
In file included from /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/drmP.h:86,
                 from /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/drm_proc.h:41,
                 from /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:431:
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/drm_os_linux.h:45: error: conflicting types for 'irqreturn_t'
include/linux/irqreturn.h:16: note: previous declaration of 'irqreturn_t' was here
In file included from /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:431:
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/drm_proc.h: In function 'FGLDRM__vma_info':
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/drm_proc.h:497: warning: format '%08lx' expects type 'long unsigned int', but argument 5 has type 'phys_addr_t'
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function 'KCL_SetPageCache_Array':
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:1230: warning: unused variable 'ret'
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:1229: warning: unused variable 'i'
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function 'KCL_GetEffectiveUid':
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:1451: error: 'struct task_struct' has no member named 'euid'
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function 'KCL_PosixSecurityCapSetIPCLock':
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:1825: error: 'struct task_struct' has no member named 'cap_effective'
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:1829: error: 'struct task_struct' has no member named 'cap_effective'
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function 'KCL_InstallInterruptHandler':
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:2727: warning: passing argument 2 of 'request_irq' from incompatible pointer type
include/linux/interrupt.h:113: note: expected 'irq_handler_t' but argument is of type 'irqreturn_t (*)(int,  void *)'
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function 'KAS_Ih_Execute':
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:4209: warning: 'return' with no value, in function returning non-void
make[2]: *** [/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.o] Error 1
make[1]: *** [_module_/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.30-ARCH'
make: *** [kmod_build] Error 2
build failed with return value 2
[Error] Kernel Module : Failed to compile kernel module - please consult readme.

ATI SUCKS!

Last edited by mahan_h (2009-07-10 08:05:05)

McDuck · 2009-07-10 08:59:49

Although I have to agree that the ati driver sucks, your problems shouldn't come as a suprise.

3-A: Yes you have to remove libgl manually since you are trying to install a conflicting package, this isn't atis fault it is how it works.

3-B: They do not support >kernel2.6.28, it is all thanks to kensais magical fingers that we have a working pkgbuild, you probably don't want to install with their installscript on archlinux anyways.

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flamelab · 2009-07-10 10:27:09

@Mahan_h: Your card is NOT supported by fglrx ! Only HD2xxx and newer ! You must use xf86-video-ati.

@flako: Where do you get slow performance ? There is no tearing with Xv overlay with xf86-video-ati.

Last edited by flamelab (2009-07-10 10:28:13)

mahan_h · 2009-07-10 11:28:35

Your card is NOT supported by fglrx ! Only HD2xxx and newer ! You must use xf86-video-ati.

But ATI recommends me the catalyst...!@$?

flako · 2009-07-10 13:47:28

flamelab wrote:

@flako: Where do you get slow performance ? There is no tearing with Xv overlay with xf86-video-ati.

I get tearing while watching highdef videos with wf86-video-ati. It probably is a configuration issue, so pointing me in a direction of a thread dedicated to that would be appreciated

flamelab · 2009-07-10 14:47:16

mahan_h wrote:

Your card is NOT supported by fglrx ! Only HD2xxx and newer ! You must use xf86-video-ati.
But ATI recommends me the catalyst...!@$?

No, X300 is not supported by fglrx.

flako wrote:

flamelab wrote:
@flako: Where do you get slow performance ? There is no tearing with Xv overlay with xf86-video-ati.
I get tearing while watching highdef videos with wf86-video-ati. It probably is a configuration issue, so pointing me in a direction of a thread dedicated to that would be appreciated

Try

Section "Device"
    ....
        Option      "EXAVSync" "on" 
        Option      "DMAForXv" "on" 
        ...
EndSection

in xorg.conf (check "man radeon" as well ;-) )

mahan_h · 2009-07-10 14:55:29

About a year ago I booted the linux-gamers live CD and it is THE ONLY environment that I still think my Mobility X300 has the best performance.
This event was my main motivation to switch to arch but I still don't know what that version of ATI proprietary software that live CD installs during boot up.

You must use xf86-video-ati.

could you please tell me what exactly should I do to get my card working properly?

flamelab · 2009-07-10 15:52:44

mahan_h wrote:

About a year ago I booted the linux-gamers live CD and it is THE ONLY environment that I still think my Mobility X300 has the best performance.
This event was my main motivation to switch to arch but I still don't know what that version of ATI proprietary software that live CD installs during boot up.
You must use xf86-video-ati.
could you please tell me what exactly should I do to get my card working properly?

1. Remove any catalyst-thing you may have installed.
2. Install xf86-video-ati (or the git version in AUR).
3. Remove any xorg.conf you may have configured

OR

create one in /etc/X11 and add only these:

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "My Graphics Card"
    Driver      "radeon"
        Option      "DRI" "on" 
        #Option      "ForceLowPowerMode" "on"
        Option       "DynamicPM" "on"
        #Option       "ClockGating" "on"
        Option      "AccelMethod" "EXA"
        Option      "EXAVSync" "on" 
        Option      "DMAForXv" "on" 
        Option      "ScalerWidth" "2048" 
        Option      "EnablePageFlip" "on" 
        Option      "RenderAccel" "on" 
        Option      "AccelDFS" "on"
    BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
    Option         "DontZap"             "False"
EndSection

in it (nothing else).

kensai · 2009-07-16 17:53:15

So who wants to place bets again? 9.7 Catalyst driver will be as irrelevant as 9.6 with only a few bug fixes that doesn't amount to a month worth of work. No 2.6.30 support to be seen and I will need to use the 7 patches again on the thing.

lucasdemarchi · 2009-07-16 18:03:05

huahauhaua

Where's the hope, kensai?

kensai · 2009-07-16 19:23:02

lucasdemarchi wrote:

huahauhaua
Where's the hope, kensai?

I lost hope in AMD days after I bought my laptop.

McDuck · 2009-07-16 22:36:30

I can't even remember the time I had hope about this driver.
Even if they do introduce 2.6.30 support it will break again when 2.6.31 is ready.
Not to mention that the driver is crap even if it has support for your kernel.

Mazur · 2009-07-16 22:43:59

I bet that 9.7/9.8 is not going to give anything new.

Wintervenom · 2009-07-16 22:56:41

I am using Zen "Eating an i8255 for Dinner" 2.6.31-rc3, so I know it will be broken for me.
But the Radeon driver is working excellently for Radeon X3100.

Last edited by Wintervenom (2009-07-16 22:57:09)

flamelab · 2009-07-16 23:01:33

Everyone is going to appreciate xf86-video-ati as soon as KMS passes to .31 (and it works great already) and as soon as the new radeon cards get 3d support (that will happen I think till the end of this summer).

hpestilence · 2009-07-17 00:24:34

I don't think 9.7 will support anything new, but 9.8 might support 2.6.31.

http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18052

hunterthomson · 2009-07-17 02:41:41

mahan_h wrote:

About a year ago I booted the linux-gamers live CD and it is THE ONLY environment that I still think my Mobility X300 has the best performance.
This event was my main motivation to switch to arch but I still don't know what that version of ATI proprietary software that live CD installs during boot up.
You must use xf86-video-ati.
could you please tell me what exactly should I do to get my card working properly?

Well the Live CD most certainly has and old kernel and old catalyst that supports your card. I guess you could just install the old kernel and old catalyst in Arch.

I too tried the xf86-video-ati driver and had loads of taring in video. However, I use the xf86-video-radeonhd driver in OpenSolaris, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and Ubuntu and video play back is A-OK, I never tried it in Arch but should work fantastic.

So, try that dirver instead of the xf86-video-ati driver. I just used the command

Xorg -configure

To generate the xorg.conf and it worked every time for me.

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Also, some of you who can't get X to start.... For my card the Kernel will crash when I startx. For my card I have to turn acpi off for the Catalyst to work.

aticonfig --acpi-services=off

Worth a shot. I'd like to see so someone with the i686 Kernel try it.
Just install the radeonhd driver, then make the xorg.conf and put it in /etc/X11, Then run that command, Then X should start.

There are many other settings you can give the Catalyst with that aticonfig. So, hay maybe if this one dosen't help check out the other options.

Micro"ScrewThePeople"Soft have done all they can to pervert the ACPI standards and the US Supreme Cort found them guilty of this. So, I would not be surprised if this may be the problem with the i686 Kernel or other cards too.(M$ is also forcing net-book makers to cripple there net-books, like max RAM 1Gb, otherwise M$ will not sell them Windo$ licenses.)

M$ is The USA of the Computer World.... for all toughs who have been living on the moon for the past 35 years.
^I like this analogy it fits vary well
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For some reason the dev's over at AMD/ATI think that the Open drivers are fantastic and in close to perfect working order.... (This is what ATI employees and Xorg Dev's flamed me with over at the Phoronix forums.)
However, They are not .

So, AMD/ATI has never had reasonable Linux support and now they are using the Open Drivers as an excuse to not support any of there cards that are more then 2 years old. I am sure they think the same about Linux support. I would bet that once the Open driver has 3D ATI will drop Catalyst support for Linux altogether. Not so bad though as soon as the Open Drivers have any 3D I will switch.

I just need ~50FPS that's all I ask.
(The catalyst gives me 100-200FPS in Nexis at 1680-1050 normal settings)

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