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#5576 2013-08-21 04:00:18

ivdok
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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Lockheed wrote:
ivdok wrote:

Going back to the topic, I would've totally purged all xorg- and graphcs-related packages and configs, cleared Pacman cache and reinstalled again, but many Archers here wouldn't agree with me. So, currently, try to once again purge Nvidia assets and reinstall AMD from repos. That's all I can advice, since I got my problems too right now, due to kernel 3.10 updates.

Hey man. Just wanted to say thanks for your suggestion. This was indeed what solved the problem.
As it turned out, libgl32-nvidia and cuda packages leave a lot of leftover libs even after being uninstalled. I got rid of them and voila - things work as they should.
Thanks again.

Not a big deal.

By the way, does anybody have working xvba-playback with latest catalyst beta and Linux 3.10? GPU chip family and actual name does not matter.


I use Arch Linux since 14/07/2013. Not that long, I agree, but I don't think what I will change it in near time - extensive wiki, obvious package manager and big, built-up community makes its job. I use Xfce4 as DE, Xfwm4 + Compton as WM, and for DM... "exec startxfce4" and "compton -b" inside .bash_profile big_smile
[ASUS P5QSE2, Pentium dual-core E5300, HD5770, 2GB RAM, 120G ext4 sda, 320G ntfs sdb]

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#5577 2013-08-21 14:42:08

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Phoronix forum members tell there's no memory leak with 13.8-beta2 anymore. Can anybody confirm this?

Last edited by maroid (2013-08-21 15:07:20)

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#5578 2013-08-21 16:48:13

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Advertising for my thread on bootsplash without KMS:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=168612

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#5579 2013-08-21 18:57:11

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

I did a full system update last night, and it seems to have broken the AMD drivers to the point where X is failing to start up. According to the log for x it says

atiddxDriScreenInit failed. Probably kernel module missing or incompatible
DRI initialization failed
kernel moduke (fglrx.ko) may be missing or incomplete
2D and 3D acceleration disabled
fglrx: cannot allocate LFB for rotation buffer and rotation will be disabled
unable to set mode, attempting without rotation
Failed to setup display infrastructure
AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0

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#5580 2013-08-21 19:18:43

ivdok
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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Cirdan wrote:

I did a full system update last night, and it seems to have broken the AMD drivers to the point where X is failing to start up. According to the log for x it says

atiddxDriScreenInit failed. Probably kernel module missing or incompatible
DRI initialization failed
kernel moduke (fglrx.ko) may be missing or incomplete
2D and 3D acceleration disabled
fglrx: cannot allocate LFB for rotation buffer and rotation will be disabled
unable to set mode, attempting without rotation
Failed to setup display infrastructure
AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0

As Arch Wiki says, remake your kernel module by running "catalyst_build_module all", and telling us, if there was an error-log.

Last edited by ivdok (2013-08-21 19:18:59)


I use Arch Linux since 14/07/2013. Not that long, I agree, but I don't think what I will change it in near time - extensive wiki, obvious package manager and big, built-up community makes its job. I use Xfce4 as DE, Xfwm4 + Compton as WM, and for DM... "exec startxfce4" and "compton -b" inside .bash_profile big_smile
[ASUS P5QSE2, Pentium dual-core E5300, HD5770, 2GB RAM, 120G ext4 sda, 320G ntfs sdb]

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#5581 2013-08-21 19:27:12

Cirdan
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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

ivdok wrote:

As Arch Wiki says, remake your kernel module by running "catalyst_build_module all", and telling us, if there was an error-log.

Ah, that worked. Thank you!

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#5582 2013-08-21 23:41:19

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Hello,

First of all I would like to thank Vi0L0 for his/her amazing work on the current AMD drivers. Second thing I would ask is why Arch doesn't have official repositories for backports. It just does not make any sense that, why do I have to trust an external repository ? For the package xorg-server 1.13 we have to get it from http://catalyst.wirephire.com

Also I would like to know is how can I review the source code or compile xorg-server 1.13 without having to download premade packages from this repository.

Thanks

Last edited by PedroF (2013-08-21 23:42:22)

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#5583 2013-08-22 08:37:18

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

PedroF wrote:

Second thing I would ask is why Arch doesn't have official repositories for backports. It just does not make any sense that, why do I have to trust an external repository ?

It makes sense for Arch Linux. Why would you have an "official" repository, that breaks the packages of the real official repository. THAT doesn't make sense at all.

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#5584 2013-08-22 10:09:48

ivdok
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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

PedroF wrote:

Hello,

First of all I would like to thank Vi0L0 for his/her amazing work on the current AMD drivers. Second thing I would ask is why Arch doesn't have official repositories for backports. It just does not make any sense that, why do I have to trust an external repository ? For the package xorg-server 1.13 we have to get it from http://catalyst.wirephire.com

Also I would like to know is how can I review the source code or compile xorg-server 1.13 without having to download premade packages from this repository.

Thanks

1. Arch is about Keeping It Simple. It uses only bleeding-edge software, and encourages to move forward while keeping things sane and useful. Making backports means stepping back, and creating needless entities, which is not faithful to Occam's razor principle, which is behind The Arch Way. If you like to use stable, old things, why not to switch to Debian Stable?
2. If you learned such words like "review", "compile" and "source code", this is strange what you don't know how to operate with them. Start your endeavor with ABS, Make and GCC.


I use Arch Linux since 14/07/2013. Not that long, I agree, but I don't think what I will change it in near time - extensive wiki, obvious package manager and big, built-up community makes its job. I use Xfce4 as DE, Xfwm4 + Compton as WM, and for DM... "exec startxfce4" and "compton -b" inside .bash_profile big_smile
[ASUS P5QSE2, Pentium dual-core E5300, HD5770, 2GB RAM, 120G ext4 sda, 320G ntfs sdb]

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#5585 2013-08-22 11:06:55

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

PedroF wrote:

Hello,

First of all I would like to thank Vi0L0 for his/her amazing work on the current AMD drivers. Second thing I would ask is why Arch doesn't have official repositories for backports. It just does not make any sense that, why do I have to trust an external repository ? For the package xorg-server 1.13 we have to get it from http://catalyst.wirephire.com

Also I would like to know is how can I review the source code or compile xorg-server 1.13 without having to download premade packages from this repository.

Thanks

Did you even look for yourself?


If you can't sit by a cozy fire with your code in hand enjoying its simplicity and clarity, it needs more work. --Carlos Torres

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#5586 2013-08-22 15:04:22

PedroF
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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

ivdok wrote:

1. Arch is about Keeping It Simple. It uses only bleeding-edge software, and encourages to move forward while keeping things sane and useful. Making backports means stepping back, and creating needless entities, which is not faithful to Occam's razor principle, which is behind The Arch Way. If you like to use stable, old things, why not to switch to Debian Stable?
2. If you learned such words like "review", "compile" and "source code", this is strange what you don't know how to operate with them. Start your endeavor with ABS, Make and GCC.

I've never said that I did not know how to "operate" them. I just asked if someone has done that. What is insane is the time AMD takes to update their drivers.

I use to check the wiki for this kind of info. I did not find such thing in there.

Nice to know it is available but that should be on AUR too (where most people go check for packages).

Last edited by PedroF (2013-08-22 15:05:46)

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#5587 2013-08-22 15:11:57

ivdok
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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

PedroF wrote:
ivdok wrote:

1. Arch is about Keeping It Simple. It uses only bleeding-edge software, and encourages to move forward while keeping things sane and useful. Making backports means stepping back, and creating needless entities, which is not faithful to Occam's razor principle, which is behind The Arch Way. If you like to use stable, old things, why not to switch to Debian Stable?
2. If you learned such words like "review", "compile" and "source code", this is strange what you don't know how to operate with them. Start your endeavor with ABS, Make and GCC.

I've never said that I did not know how to "operate" them. I just asked if someone has done that. What is insane is the time AMD takes to update their drivers.

I use to check the wiki for this kind of info. I did not find such thing in there.

Nice to know it is available but that should be on AUR too (where most people go check for packages).

If there's no AUR for old Xorg, why not to make one and insert info about it in the wiki? I saw old versions of software on AUR, like vala0.18, and it didn't seem like it's illegal to store it here.


I use Arch Linux since 14/07/2013. Not that long, I agree, but I don't think what I will change it in near time - extensive wiki, obvious package manager and big, built-up community makes its job. I use Xfce4 as DE, Xfwm4 + Compton as WM, and for DM... "exec startxfce4" and "compton -b" inside .bash_profile big_smile
[ASUS P5QSE2, Pentium dual-core E5300, HD5770, 2GB RAM, 120G ext4 sda, 320G ntfs sdb]

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#5588 2013-08-22 15:16:28

PedroF
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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

ivdok wrote:

If there's no AUR for old Xorg, why not to make one and insert info about it in the wiki? I saw old versions of software on AUR, like vala0.18, and it didn't seem like it's illegal to store it here.

In fact there is xorg-server 1.12 in AUR. So it is allowed to do that I guess..

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#5589 2013-08-22 15:20:49

ivdok
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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

PedroF wrote:
ivdok wrote:

If there's no AUR for old Xorg, why not to make one and insert info about it in the wiki? I saw old versions of software on AUR, like vala0.18, and it didn't seem like it's illegal to store it here.

In fact there is xorg-server 1.12 in AUR. So it is allowed to do that I guess..

Well, didn't look into that, but it would be nive to have xorg1.13 in AUR. One more thing, though - you must make meta-package for Catalyst, since making 1.13 pack and stopping updating original also means you need to backport old xf86* packs and other xorg* packages. Seems painful, but that maybe the reason the repo is being hosted.


I use Arch Linux since 14/07/2013. Not that long, I agree, but I don't think what I will change it in near time - extensive wiki, obvious package manager and big, built-up community makes its job. I use Xfce4 as DE, Xfwm4 + Compton as WM, and for DM... "exec startxfce4" and "compton -b" inside .bash_profile big_smile
[ASUS P5QSE2, Pentium dual-core E5300, HD5770, 2GB RAM, 120G ext4 sda, 320G ntfs sdb]

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#5590 2013-08-22 15:48:52

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

So I ordered a hd5450 off ebay for an older dell.  Is the catalsyst driver or the open source driver reccomended for this card?

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#5591 2013-08-22 15:54:00

ivdok
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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

mamamia88 wrote:

So I ordered a hd5450 off ebay for an older dell.  Is the catalsyst driver or the open source driver reccomended for this card?

You like playing games like DotA 2 and CSS? Often play via Wine in you favorite 3D-game? Use catalyst and have pain because of slow update cycle.
You are more into Facebook, casual games and video with funny kittens on Youtube? Use FOSS, and get low 3D performance.


I use Arch Linux since 14/07/2013. Not that long, I agree, but I don't think what I will change it in near time - extensive wiki, obvious package manager and big, built-up community makes its job. I use Xfce4 as DE, Xfwm4 + Compton as WM, and for DM... "exec startxfce4" and "compton -b" inside .bash_profile big_smile
[ASUS P5QSE2, Pentium dual-core E5300, HD5770, 2GB RAM, 120G ext4 sda, 320G ntfs sdb]

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#5592 2013-08-22 16:02:06

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Hi,
After KDE 4.11 update, i have lost the desktop effects. No crash.

Using HD2400, installed catalyst-legacy from unofficial repo, followed the instructions at catalyst wiki.

Any information do you need except these ?
catalyst-hook 13.1-14
Linux arch 3.10.7-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Aug 15 11:55:34 CEST 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux
KDE 4.11.00
lspci
file:///etc/X11/xorg.conf
glxinfo
qdbus org.kde.kwin /KWin supportInformation
readelf -sw /usr/lib/libGL.so | grep glXGetFBConfigs

Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce:
1.Go to the System Settings -> Desktop Effects and click on "Defaults" button and apply.
2.A message appears "19 desktop effects could not be loaded."

Expected Results:
It should load desktop effects without no problem. Works fine on KDE 4.10.5

I'll also fill a bug at kde bugzilla. Okay filled, bug323898

Last edited by omeringen (2013-08-22 16:15:34)

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#5593 2013-08-22 16:04:20

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

omeringen wrote:

Hi,
After KDE 4.11 update, i have lost the desktop effects. No crash.
"19 desktop effects could not be loaded."

Using HD2400, installed catalyst from unofficial repo, followed the instructions at catalyst wiki.

Any information do you need except these ?
catalyst-hook 13.1-14
Linux arch 3.10.7-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Aug 15 11:55:34 CEST 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux
KDE 4.11.00
lspci
file:///etc/X11/xorg.conf
glxinfo
qdbus org.kde.kwin /KWin supportInformation
readelf -sw /usr/lib/libGL.so | grep glXGetFBConfigs

I'll also fill a bug at kde bugzilla.

Radeons HD 2 3 4 xxx are not supported by the current catalyst.

Source: AUR

Last edited by PedroF (2013-08-22 16:05:55)

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#5594 2013-08-22 16:09:05

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

ivdok wrote:
mamamia88 wrote:

So I ordered a hd5450 off ebay for an older dell.  Is the catalsyst driver or the open source driver reccomended for this card?

You like playing games like DotA 2 and CSS? Often play via Wine in you favorite 3D-game? Use catalyst and have pain because of slow update cycle.
You are more into Facebook, casual games and video with funny kittens on Youtube? Use FOSS, and get low 3D performance.

I plan on using it as an xbmc box and occassionally play games up to the n64 era via emulators.  Maybe get a gamecube adaptor for using a gamecube controller.  I don't really plan on playing current games on it because i have a ps3 and am getting a ps4 in a few months.  The cpu is a dual core pentium d running at 3.4ghz.  It was one of those dell mini towers that they use on college campuses and businesses that get refurbed and you can buy on ebay for $100.

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#5595 2013-08-22 16:16:23

omeringen
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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

@PedroF,
It's catalyst-legacy. I edited my post and added more info and the bug report link.

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#5596 2013-08-22 17:02:32

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

The Catalyst 13.8 Beta 2 download link from this page returns only a 0 Byte file...
I use XBMC on my HTPC and since I only get very poor performance with the free driver I wanted to give the closed one a try. But I'm suffering from heavy memory leaks under XBMC with the Beta 1...
Is there maybe a different download location for the driver? I only found pages offering it for Windows...

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#5597 2013-08-22 17:42:08

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

mamamia88 wrote:
ivdok wrote:
mamamia88 wrote:

So I ordered a hd5450 off ebay for an older dell.  Is the catalsyst driver or the open source driver reccomended for this card?

You like playing games like DotA 2 and CSS? Often play via Wine in you favorite 3D-game? Use catalyst and have pain because of slow update cycle.
You are more into Facebook, casual games and video with funny kittens on Youtube? Use FOSS, and get low 3D performance.

I plan on using it as an xbmc box and occassionally play games up to the n64 era via emulators.  Maybe get a gamecube adaptor for using a gamecube controller.  I don't really plan on playing current games on it because i have a ps3 and am getting a ps4 in a few months.  The cpu is a dual core pentium d running at 3.4ghz.  It was one of those dell mini towers that they use on college campuses and businesses that get refurbed and you can buy on ebay for $100.

You probably need stable catalyst + mandatory xvba-video package, if you want to watch HD video inside XBMC. And something like... VA-API for XBMC? Don't remember the name of package, but you gonna like it.

And1G wrote:

The Catalyst 13.8 Beta 2 download link from this page returns only a 0 Byte file...
I use XBMC on my HTPC and since I only get very poor performance with the free driver I wanted to give the closed one a try. But I'm suffering from heavy memory leaks under XBMC with the Beta 1...
Is there maybe a different download location for the driver? I only found pages offering it for Windows...

Specially for you - one-time offer! But please - try to DL it for next 24 hours - I tend to clean up my Dropbox once in a while.


I use Arch Linux since 14/07/2013. Not that long, I agree, but I don't think what I will change it in near time - extensive wiki, obvious package manager and big, built-up community makes its job. I use Xfce4 as DE, Xfwm4 + Compton as WM, and for DM... "exec startxfce4" and "compton -b" inside .bash_profile big_smile
[ASUS P5QSE2, Pentium dual-core E5300, HD5770, 2GB RAM, 120G ext4 sda, 320G ntfs sdb]

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#5598 2013-08-22 18:04:04

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Thank you very much! Downloaded the file, memory leak seems to be fixed, at least at first sight!

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#5599 2013-08-22 18:28:53

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

@And1G

Last edited by clfarron4 (2013-08-22 18:29:17)


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#5600 2013-08-22 18:36:04

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

And1G wrote:

Thank you very much! Downloaded the file, memory leak seems to be fixed, at least at first sight!

Thank you reporting this. I can't remember when i installed anything manually the last time ... sad(

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