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#6301 2014-02-23 21:30:23

ase1590
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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

hippieben wrote:

Hardware acceleration seems to be broken with kdenlive.  Whenever I try to play a clip X crashes.  I'm running 14.1-2.  Works fine with 13.12, but then I have to deal with X crashing every time I resize konsole sad

If this is anything like the MPlayer/VLC player bug on Xorg server 1.15, you'll want to tell Kdenlive to use OpenGL for video playback.

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#6302 2014-02-24 16:04:21

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

For those of you using Catalyst for its 3D boost, the last update of the open source drivers (go git), with the new kernel, is giving me much more FPS in Source (valve) games than Catalyst, by a big margin.

I have an HD7770 and I can play smoothly Dota2 1080 all maxed. With Catalyst I had to use medium-low

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#6303 2014-02-24 17:01:41

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

joanmanel wrote:

For those of you using Catalyst for its 3D boost, the last update of the open source drivers (go git), with the new kernel, is giving me much more FPS in Source (valve) games than Catalyst, by a big margin.

I have an HD7770 and I can play smoothly Dota2 1080 all maxed. With Catalyst I had to use medium-low

Valve does a good job making the games work with the open-source-driver, but outside of that, the Catalyst driver is by far faster. Or AMD just cannot provide good support for Valve with the Catalyst driver.

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#6304 2014-02-24 18:44:38

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

I went  back to the opensource one... the only thing that ran better for me with catalyst was minecraft and... meh I can deal with that.

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#6305 2014-02-24 19:26:18

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

On my AMD Radeon 6480G, all games are faster with AMD Catalyst...


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#6306 2014-02-24 20:56:20

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Well I'm using an HD 6770 and almost anything but minecraft seems to run better with the opensource drivers, also I can run modern games on Wine which won't work with catalyst.

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#6307 2014-02-24 21:36:55

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Is it just me, or has someone been derping with the AMD Catalyst page on the ArchWiki and removed Vi0L0's keys from the page?


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#6308 2014-02-25 09:27:05

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

What does that mean?

depmod: ERROR: Module 'hci_vhci' has devname (vhci) but lacks major and minor information. Ignoring.

That's pacman's output, btw. (from catalyst-hook). Installation itself works fine.

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#6309 2014-02-25 09:42:08

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

clfarron4 wrote:

Is it just me, or has someone been derping with the AMD Catalyst page on the ArchWiki and removed Vi0L0's keys from the page?

Yeah, looks like key id was moved here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Un … s#catalyst

ChemBro wrote:

What does that mean?

depmod: ERROR: Module 'hci_vhci' has devname (vhci) but lacks major and minor information. Ignoring.

That's pacman's output, btw. (from catalyst-hook). Installation itself works fine.

Looks like it's a kernels issue: https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/1/2/472
You can see it while using catalyst_build_module because it's running depmod.

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#6310 2014-02-25 22:25:49

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Is there any way to make pacman upgrade linux-headers before the kernel (and is that safe)? I always have to catalyst_build_module because the hook fails when it attempts to create the module before it has the headers. Minor annoyance, but I'm guessing I'm not the only one to experience this?

Thanks,
Luye.

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#6311 2014-02-25 22:27:59

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Luye wrote:

Is there any way to make pacman upgrade linux-headers before the kernel (and is that safe)?

No, the SyncFirst option in pacman.conf was removed and Allan has told me on numerous occasions that it will never be re-instated.


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#6312 2014-02-25 23:58:43

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Hm. Looks like Catalyst 14.1betav1.3 users can't play Portal 2. The game crashes as soon it is finished with loading the level.

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#6313 2014-02-26 00:47:25

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

ChemBro wrote:

Hm. Looks like Catalyst 14.1betav1.3 users can't play Portal 2. The game crashes as soon it is finished with loading the level.

via Wine or the new Portal 2 Beta?

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#6314 2014-02-26 07:39:09

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Luye wrote:

I always have to catalyst_build_module because the hook fails when it attempts to create the module before it has the headers. Minor annoyance, but I'm guessing I'm not the only one to experience this?

Thanks,
Luye.

You don't have to build it manually.
Simply enable catalyst-hook systemds service, it will automatically rebuild the fglrx modules while the system shuts down or reboots.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AM … alyst-hook

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#6315 2014-02-26 08:54:20

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

thmstcls wrote:
ChemBro wrote:

Hm. Looks like Catalyst 14.1betav1.3 users can't play Portal 2. The game crashes as soon it is finished with loading the level.

via Wine or the new Portal 2 Beta?

Linux-native Portal 2 Beta.

Edit: AMD also confirmed it, so they are well aware of it. Hopefully with a fast fix.

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#6316 2014-02-27 03:14:43

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

I hate to say it, but I've switched to xf86-video-ati-git and it's been working pretty well.  There's a few quirky things with it, but there were way more quirky things with the catalyst driver.  Performance is pretty good too.  I'll probably end up giving catalyst another go after a few more release cycles.

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#6317 2014-02-27 16:39:04

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

hippieben wrote:

I hate to say it, but I've switched to xf86-video-ati-git and it's been working pretty well.  There's a few quirky things with it, but there were way more quirky things with the catalyst driver.  Performance is pretty good too.  I'll probably end up giving catalyst another go after a few more release cycles.

xf86-video-ati has much more room of improvement that catalyst. ATI AMD is actually working in both of them. It's a shame they are not offering a closed driver on par with windows.

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#6318 2014-02-27 16:54:32

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

joanmanel wrote:

It's a shame they are not offering a closed driver on par with windows.

They aren't allowed to, because they don't own the code. Like Nvidia and the Windows driver from Intel, many parts of the proprietary driver are outsourced and licensed in a way, that makes it impossible to open source it. That's basically it. Legal issues.

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#6319 2014-02-27 18:21:35

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Joan - I am using the git version, it's much better than the version in the official repos.

ChemBro - I think Joan is talking about the closed source driver, not the open source one.  I don't see why it shouldn't be on part with the Windows driver.  I haven't used a PC in a very long time, let alone with ATI drivers on a PC, so I really can't say.  However, I really don't see why the performance should be any different between Winbolws and Linux with ATI's own driver, but there's weird stability issues with the Linux driver that I'm fairly sure aren't an issue with the Windows driver.

Also, this being the "AMD/ATI Bar & Grill," is this thread for discussion of the closed source driver only or the open source driver as well?  Seems like the majority of discussion is centered around the closed source driver, but is it also appropirate to discuss the open source driver?

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#6320 2014-02-28 06:52:25

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Oh, sorry, I read it wrong. Well actually, the Windows driver (OpenGL part) of Catalyst IS on par with the Linux driver, because it is the same driver. I did test it and you get the exact same results on benchmarks, using OpenGL. That said, it is obviously not on par with the Direct3D driver part...

@open-source-driver discussion: It's okay, but there is a special open-source-driver thread, it is just not being used that much (because less problems :-) ).

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#6321 2014-02-28 18:03:54

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Btw. Catalyst 14.2 BETA V1.3 is out there since Tuesday... just sayin'.

Edit: Ah, okay, the repo isn't up date.

That one --> http://mirror.rts-informatique.fr/archl … lyst/$arch

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#6322 2014-02-28 21:07:57

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Anyone have a R9 270X which works with stable or beta driver ? With both if I launch a video game (guild wars 2) or a benchmark I have the X server wich freeze after some minutes. I tried on windows seven and no problem (so it's not the card which have a problem). Maybe the R9 270X is too recent (even if it's a re-package) to be fully compatible with this drivers ?

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#6323 2014-02-28 22:19:13

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

joanmanel wrote:

Now with Steam and Dota2 working, my performance seems to degrade a lot over time.

It started being nice, all max, all fast. After 15 minutes more or less, FPS dropped and I had to set all to mid, and again after one hour FPS dropped and I had to set all to low.

This looks more like a driver problem than application problem.

Anyone has similar experiences?

I have the same issue, although I can usually get 2-3 games in before performance degrades. Lowering settings doesn't help though. I'm on the HD 8650G (Richland notebook APU). I'm updating to 14.1 now and if it doesn't solve the problem I'll try the radeon git drivers. Anything to ditch windows!

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#6324 2014-03-03 15:30:06

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

ethan961 wrote:
joanmanel wrote:

Now with Steam and Dota2 working, my performance seems to degrade a lot over time.

It started being nice, all max, all fast. After 15 minutes more or less, FPS dropped and I had to set all to mid, and again after one hour FPS dropped and I had to set all to low.

This looks more like a driver problem than application problem.

Anyone has similar experiences?

I have the same issue, although I can usually get 2-3 games in before performance degrades. Lowering settings doesn't help though. I'm on the HD 8650G (Richland notebook APU). I'm updating to 14.1 now and if it doesn't solve the problem I'll try the radeon git drivers. Anything to ditch windows!

I've been using for the past weeks radeon git (open source drivers) and it goes perfect. I mostly play Dota2, and all max, I get more FPS with the oss than catalyst. I have an HD7770

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#6325 2014-03-03 21:18:46

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Re: The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Anyone else having strange performance issues with catalyst-hook 14.2-1? Team Fortress is unplayable (framerate drops to under 20fps and horrible input latency) while it was playable (kinda) with 14.1.
I disabled vsync and basically set everything to lowest settings but it doesn't even help a little. I'm running kwin in KDE and tried both xorg-server 1.14 and 1.15.

Downgraded catalyst-hook, catalyst-utils and lib32-catalyst-utils to 14.1-2 and performance is okay again (60+fps most of the time). Seems to be a regression.

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