The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

Lone_Wolf · 2017-06-29 13:45:45

Looks like you have both libva-vdpau-driver & libvdpau installed ?

Try removing libva-vdpau-driver .

prazola · 2017-06-29 14:00:28

I did it, same output.

H-Bloxx · 2017-06-30 04:39:50

@Lone_wolf

lspci gave me this:

 00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD9x0/RX980 Host Bridge (rev 02)
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 5a14
00:02.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD890/RD9x0/RX980 PCI to PCI bridge (PCI Express GFX port 0)
	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
	Kernel modules: shpchp
00:09.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD890/RD9x0/RX980 PCI to PCI bridge (PCI Express GPP Port 4)
	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
	Kernel modules: shpchp
00:11.0 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 40)
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 4391
	Kernel driver in use: ahci
	Kernel modules: ahci
00:12.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 4397
	Kernel driver in use: ohci-pci
	Kernel modules: ohci_pci
00:12.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 4396
	Kernel driver in use: ehci-pci
	Kernel modules: ehci_pci
00:13.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 4397
	Kernel driver in use: ohci-pci
	Kernel modules: ohci_pci
00:13.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 4396
	Kernel driver in use: ehci-pci
	Kernel modules: ehci_pci
00:14.0 SMBus: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 SMBus Controller (rev 42)
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 4385
	Kernel driver in use: piix4_smbus
	Kernel modules: i2c_piix4, sp5100_tco
00:14.1 IDE interface: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 IDE Controller (rev 40)
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 439c
	Kernel driver in use: pata_atiixp
	Kernel modules: pata_atiixp, pata_acpi, ata_generic
00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40)
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 7892
	Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
	Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
00:14.3 ISA bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 LPC host controller (rev 40)
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 439d
00:14.4 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge (rev 40)
00:14.5 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI2 Controller
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 4399
	Kernel driver in use: ohci-pci
	Kernel modules: ohci_pci
00:15.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB700/SB800/SB900 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 0)
	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
	Kernel modules: shpchp
00:15.3 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB900 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 3)
	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
	Kernel modules: shpchp
00:16.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 4397
	Kernel driver in use: ohci-pci
	Kernel modules: ohci_pci
00:16.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 4396
	Kernel driver in use: ehci-pci
	Kernel modules: ehci_pci
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h Processor Function 0
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h Processor Function 1
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h Processor Function 2
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h Processor Function 3
	Kernel driver in use: k10temp
	Kernel modules: k10temp
00:18.4 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h Processor Function 4
	Kernel driver in use: fam15h_power
	Kernel modules: fam15h_power
00:18.5 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h Processor Function 5
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Tahiti XT [Radeon HD 7970/8970 OEM / R9 280X]
	Subsystem: XFX Pine Group Inc. Double D HD 7970
	Kernel driver in use: fglrx_pci
	Kernel modules: radeon, amdgpu, fglrx
01:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Tahiti HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 7870 XT / 7950/7970]
	Subsystem: XFX Pine Group Inc. Device aaa0
	Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
	Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
02:00.0 USB controller: Etron Technology, Inc. EJ188/EJ198 USB 3.0 Host Controller
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Device 7052
	Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd
	Kernel modules: xhci_pci
05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06)
	Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation Motherboard (one of many)
	Kernel driver in use: r8169
	Kernel modules: r8169

Lone_Wolf · 2017-06-30 09:56:07

@ @ H-Bloxx

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Tahiti XT [Radeon HD 7970/8970 OEM / R9 280X]
	Subsystem: XFX Pine Group Inc. Double D HD 7970
	Kernel driver in use: fglrx_pci
	Kernel modules: radeon, amdgpu, fglrx

Tahiti XT is a GCN 1 chipset, which is supported for amdgpu kernel module and xf86-video-amdgpu driver.

That means Open GL 4.5, Vulkan and perfomance equal to or better then fglrx is possible using open source drivers.
(except OpenCL performance, that still sucks with opensource drivers).

Check https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AMDGPU for details.

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@ prazola :

Do you have radeon kernel module blacklisted ?
If so, enable it again and have the card use radeon kernelmodule (you can stay on xf86-video-amdgpu ) for testing.

prazola · 2017-06-30 12:52:02

Lone_Wolf wrote:

Do you have radeon kernel module blacklisted ?
If so, enable it again and have the card use radeon kernelmodule (you can stay on xf86-video-amdgpu ) for testing.

It was blacklisted, I commented the blacklist line and rebooted my PC. The radeon module is running but still weird vainfo. Should I switch to radeonsi and blacklist amdgpu?

EDIT: tried, same problem.

Last edited by prazola (2017-06-30 13:48:31)

Lone_Wolf · 2017-06-30 17:52:53

Ok, try linux-lts kernel . Also install vdpauinfo from community and post output.

prazola · 2017-06-30 19:37:51

Decoder capabilities:

name                        level macbs width height
----------------------------------------------------
MPEG1                           0 1048576 16384 16384
MPEG2_SIMPLE                    3 1048576 16384 16384
MPEG2_MAIN                      3 1048576 16384 16384
H264_BASELINE                  --- not supported ---
H264_MAIN                      --- not supported ---
H264_HIGH                      --- not supported ---
VC1_SIMPLE                     --- not supported ---
VC1_MAIN                       --- not supported ---
VC1_ADVANCED                   --- not supported ---
MPEG4_PART2_SP                 --- not supported ---
MPEG4_PART2_ASP                --- not supported ---
DIVX4_QMOBILE                  --- not supported ---
DIVX4_MOBILE                   --- not supported ---
DIVX4_HOME_THEATER             --- not supported ---
DIVX4_HD_1080P                 --- not supported ---
DIVX5_QMOBILE                  --- not supported ---
DIVX5_MOBILE                   --- not supported ---
DIVX5_HOME_THEATER             --- not supported ---
DIVX5_HD_1080P                 --- not supported ---
H264_CONSTRAINED_BASELINE      --- not supported ---
H264_EXTENDED                  --- not supported ---
H264_PROGRESSIVE_HIGH          --- not supported ---
H264_CONSTRAINED_HIGH          --- not supported ---
H264_HIGH_444_PREDICTIVE       --- not supported ---
HEVC_MAIN                      --- not supported ---
HEVC_MAIN_10                   --- not supported ---
HEVC_MAIN_STILL                --- not supported ---
HEVC_MAIN_12                   --- not supported ---
HEVC_MAIN_444                  --- not supported ---

Lone_Wolf · 2017-06-30 20:56:05

Something is definitely wrong, prazola.

post full dmesg , xorg log and journal from one boot. maybe those will give some clues what's happening.

Last edited by Lone_Wolf (2017-06-30 20:56:17)

prazola · 2017-06-30 21:18:11

Thank you for your support Lone_Wolf. Here you can find the logs:
prazola's logs

Installed packages from mesa-git:

mesa-git/clang-svn 306706-1 (mesagit) [installed]
mesa-git/lib32-libdrm-git 6107.fc492279-1 (mesagit) [installed]
mesa-git/lib32-llvm-libs-svn 306717-1 (mesagit) [installed]
mesa-git/lib32-llvm-svn 306717-1 (mesagit) [installed]
mesa-git/lib32-mesa-git 93626.277621bbb7-1 (mesagit) [installed]
mesa-git/lib32-vulkan-radeon-git 93626.277621bbb7-1 (mesagit) [installed]
mesa-git/libclc-git 345.201706291804-1 (mesagit) [installed]
mesa-git/libdrm-git 6107.fc492279-1 (mesagit) [installed]
mesa-git/llvm-libs-svn 306706-1 (mesagit) [installed]
mesa-git/llvm-ocaml-svn 306706-1 (mesagit) [installed]
mesa-git/llvm-svn 306706-1 (mesagit) [installed]
mesa-git/mesa-git 93623.9f6110ad32-1 (mesagit) [installed]
mesa-git/opencl-mesa-git 93623.9f6110ad32-1 (mesagit) [installed]
mesa-git/vulkan-radeon-git 93623.9f6110ad32-1 (mesagit) [installed]
mesa-git/xf86-video-amdgpu-git 310.1b6ff5f-1 (xorg-drivers) [installed]

Last edited by prazola (2017-06-30 21:24:04)

Lone_Wolf · 2017-06-30 22:50:17

drm_kms_helper.edid_firmware=edid/cruprofile.bin

What is the reason for that edid profile ?

Let's try some more things to narrow problem down :

Add kerberizer llvm-svn repo in your pacman.conf above mesa-git , then run pacman -Syu and test.

If using another llvm-svn doesn't help, try building my aur mesa-git package.

prazola · 2017-07-01 09:59:32

My monitor is 1680x1050@60Hz. That's a custom edid with a stable 1680x1050@85Hz. Very smooth.
Ok, I'm going to try with that repo.

EDIT:
Repo added ok, but I pacman cannot download packages.

error: failed retrieving file 'llvm-libs-svn-5.0.0svn_r306941-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz' from repos.uni-plovdiv.net : The requested URL returned error: 404
warning: failed to retrieve some files

Ok, repo problem. Now it's downloading.

UPDATE:
No luck for both your mesa-git and llvm repo. Same output for vainfo and vdpau.

Last edited by prazola (2017-07-01 11:22:11)

Lone_Wolf · 2017-07-01 12:14:23

I'm beginning to think the problem is on a lower level, like firmware, but let's not jump to conclusions yet.

Try reverting to stock mesa and llvm .
If that has same error, try mesa 17.0.1-1 or AUR mesa-noglvnd .

prazola · 2017-07-01 14:38:57

I uninstalled everything, cleaned the pkg cache and revert back all my cfg files to radeon. Reinstalled mesa-git with xf86-video-ati-git and now i have mi vaapi back:

libva info: VA-API version 0.40.0
libva info: va_getDriverName() returns 0
libva info: User requested driver 'radeonsi'
libva info: Trying to open /usr/lib/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so
libva info: Found init function __vaDriverInit_0_40
libva info: va_openDriver() returns 0
vainfo: VA-API version: 0.40 (libva )
vainfo: Driver version: mesa gallium vaapi
vainfo: Supported profile and entrypoints
      VAProfileMPEG2Simple            : VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileMPEG2Main              : VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileVC1Simple              : VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileVC1Main                : VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileVC1Advanced            : VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileH264ConstrainedBaseline: VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileH264ConstrainedBaseline: VAEntrypointEncSlice
      VAProfileH264Main               : VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileH264Main               : VAEntrypointEncSlice
      VAProfileH264High               : VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileH264High               : VAEntrypointEncSlice
      VAProfileNone                   : VAEntrypointVideoProc

It seems amdgpu breaks vaapi, at least with GCN1.0 cards. With my R9 390x should be fine, but I can't test right now.
Ty again Lone_Wolf.
What's the problem with amdgpu? Is it drm related or vaapi itself blacklisting some hw?

Lone_Wolf · 2017-07-02 20:14:45

Atleast we now have some idea.

libva info: User requested driver 'radeonsi'

Please remove the env var that sets that, libva and vdpau can detect that themselves nowadays.

We changed so many things, that some re-testing is in order .

For your card mesa will always use radeonsi , but there are 2 things we can test : kernel module and X driver.
That gives 4 options :
radeon kernel mod + xf86-video-ati
radeon kernel mod + xf86-video-amdgpu (not sure if this will work)
amdgpu kernel mod + xf86-video-ati
amdgpu kernel mod + xf86-video-amdgpu

The first works, please test the other 3 .
That should give us a better idea where the problem lies.

Last edited by Lone_Wolf (2017-07-02 20:15:41)

prazola · 2017-07-02 21:38:45

The last 3 cases keeps loading radeon mod even if blacklisted, and vaapi use r600. But entries are there.
And I noticed that using amdgpu makes some vram unavailable. 3051MB vs 3072

Last edited by prazola (2017-07-02 21:50:23)

Lone_Wolf · 2017-07-02 21:51:48

That suggests the problem has to do with the amdgpu kernel module .

Could you try with amd-staging kernel (LH mesa-git repo has it) ?
That kernel tree has the very latest amd code.

prazola · 2017-07-02 22:21:25

I see now that even with radeon module and ati driver the default vaapi driver is r600.
Isn't amd-staging about DAL?

skeevy420 · 2017-07-02 22:53:41

prazola wrote:

Isn't amd-staging about DAL?

DAL is only part of it. IIRC, that kernel contains (almost) all of AMD's upstream kernel work.

I switch between the repo amd-staging, Arch Stable, Arch Zen, Arch LTS, and amd-staging-git. Stable and LTS are there just because, and I use Zen or Staging depening on how my games perform.

I just saw that AMD staging has a 4.14 wip branch. Off to compile amd-staging 4.14 wip

Lone_Wolf,

Are there any performance gains (mainly for games) when using the llvm-svn repo in conjunction with mesa-git? Or is it like mesa-git and just a crap shoot that it works or a regression occurs?

Lone_Wolf · 2017-07-03 12:29:08

A = llvm-svn from mesa-git repo, maintained by Lord Heavy.
B = Kerberizer llvm-svn repo, built form the aur llvm-svn packages also maintained by kerberizer

The main difference between those 2 repos is that A focuses on what needed for building mesa, while B tries to provide a fully functional llvm/clang compiler suite.
Another difference is that B has practically all tests llvm / clang have enabled, and the repo is only updated if the check function doesn't abort.
I am not aware of performance differences though.

P.S. The 2nd difference is the reason i asked prazola to test with B.

Last edited by Lone_Wolf (2017-07-03 12:29:46)

skeevy420 · 2017-07-03 14:08:23

Thank you for that explanation. Other than the maintainers, I wasn't sure of any differences between the two.

It's times like this I wish I dual or triple booted Arch so I could compare differences like this with games or benchmark software...because right now I'm very happy with my Arch Testing with Mesa-Git setup.

And I haven't installed that drm-next-4.14-wip kernel yet....my dumbass left out the -wip when tweaking the staging pkgbuild....and the kernel sources are downloading so freaking slow; fluctuates between 80 and 120 kbps....I max out around 5mbps so I know it isn't my connection.

EDIT:

Just a bit of an update, installed the drm-next-4.14-wip kernel and it's a 4.12 based kernel with various AMD patches. I haven't noticed any issues, but I also haven't really tested much other than watching some SG1 on Hulu (which has the worst cuts of SG1). Should also add that I'm using the radeon driver because amdgpu is giving me issues with my xorg.conf.

Last edited by skeevy420 (2017-07-04 12:33:54)

jascha · 2017-07-12 09:11:16

Another day another AMD "issue". I own a Vega Frontier Edition and want to use Arch with it. I took a look at the AUR but all the AMDGPU-PRO packages are out of date. The vega explicitly needs 17.20 drivers, not 17.10. In fact, 17.20 supports all cards like 17.10 plus Vega FE. I didn't start the journey of manual installation yet, just want to get some advice how to properly start this. Thank you in advance

Lone_Wolf · 2017-07-12 11:17:41

AMDGPU-PRO has one big disadvantage : it's aimed almost exclusively at specific ubuntu versions.
This makes it very hard to get it to work correctly on arch linux.

Your best alternative is the amd-staging kernel .
It contains everything that hasn't been upstreamed yet, including the DAL/DC code,

Last edited by Lone_Wolf (2017-07-12 11:17:57)

jascha · 2017-07-12 13:47:57

Never thought about that, THANKS. One little confusion thought: what would be the correct mkinitcpio -p command? Standard in the install guide is "mkinitcpio -p linux". Should I run "mkinitcpio -p linux-amd-staging-git" then ? Do I need special version of e.g. mesa, xorg, xf86-video- or can I just install what's in the official repos?

I'm not 100% sure what's needed if I want to run OpenCL applications with this kernel. Is there anything I should also install for opencl support?

Last edited by jascha (2017-07-12 13:52:04)

Lone_Wolf · 2017-07-13 11:05:53

jascha wrote:

what would be the correct mkinitcpio -p command? Standard in the install guide is "mkinitcpio -p linux". Should I run "mkinitcpio -p linux-amd-staging-git" then ?

yes, looking at amd-staging-git PKGBUILD it does install a mkinitcpio preset with that name .

Do I need special version of e.g. mesa, xorg, xf86-video- or can I just install what's in the official repos?

official repo versions should work fine.

I'm not 100% sure what's needed if I want to run OpenCL applications with this kernel. Is there anything I should also install for opencl support?

mesa opencl support can't handle your card.
There's ROCm which is now fully opensource, but it seems to require changes to llvm/clang that haven't been upstreamed yet.
No idea if people have succeeded in getting it to run on archlinux, but there is a docker image on github[1] you could try.

The aur opencl-amd package is your best bet, it just needs to be updated to 17.20 .
Since opencl-amd moves binaries prepared by amd to where archlinux needs/expects them, it should be easy to upgrade.

[1] https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm-docker

Last edited by Lone_Wolf (2017-07-13 11:07:03)

Physicist1616 · 2017-07-21 08:15:06

I've gathered some info from disparate sources like the wiki and just wanted to fact check:
A. The best (gaming) setup for a Radeon RX480 is to use AMDGPU Pro
B. Using AMDGPU Pro requires stepping back a few kernel versions
C. Despite lots of AMD-related work in very recent kernel versions, for the next few months at least, AMDGPU Pro seems to be the way to stay closest to peak performance.

Unrelated fact for similar fact checking:
D. One cannot use Hashcat on an RX480 in Linux at this time, and there seems to be no work in progress to support it.

I'd greatly appreciate any "True, True, True" or "False, I Dunno, True" etc. style answers, but I also enjoy links to source material as appropriate to explain a complicated story or a "false".

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