The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

handy · 2010-01-12 10:29:29

ChemBro wrote:

handy wrote:
ukreator wrote:
Have someone encountered problems with catalyst and 2.6.32.3 kernel? Or it's only my problem?
I've updated kernel yesterday and today could not start Xorg. Rebuilding catalyst modules also didn't help me.
I don't think Catalyst is yet compatible with versions of xorg-server greater than 1.6.
I have the same problem, I did the same things and my xserver is a 1.6.x.

Have you tried rolling back to the previous release of the kernel?

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ukreator · 2010-01-12 10:31:20

handy wrote:

So the problem you are experiencing could be caused by the version of xorg-server you are running. If you were unaware of this problem, then it is not hard to fix:

Sorry, I forgot to point that it was with patched xorg 1.6.3

It just hangs with black screen when tries to start xorg.

ChemBro · 2010-01-12 12:08:32

handy wrote:

Have you tried rolling back to the previous release of the kernel?

I could have, but instead I'm using xf86-video-ati right now and hopefully, Catalyst 10.1 will be here soon with xserver 1.7 support (and kernel 2.6.32 support).

Mo · 2010-01-12 20:33:12

I had the same problem some days ago.
Uninstalling catalyst and installing it again a few times worked for me.
Good luck!

apollokk · 2010-01-12 20:42:08

Uninstall catalyst. The stable OSS packages are better than this awful thing now.

snack · 2010-01-12 20:46:02

apollokk wrote:

Uninstall catalyst. The stable OSS packages are better than this awful thing now.

I'm boring, I know. But I feel the necessity to point out that Catalyst is not an option for someone, it's a necessity: until open drivers will not implement a decent poer saving, laptop users are bound to Catalyst. Not every Catalyst user has suicidal tendencies as open driver fanboys might think...

apollokk · 2010-01-12 20:50:04

I'm not a OSS driver fanboy, but I don't hate the try, either.

Catalyst is to be killed.

My last words this day

snack · 2010-01-12 20:58:12

apollokk wrote:

I'm not a OSS driver fanboy, but I don't hate the try, either.
Catalyst is to be killed.
My last words this day

I didn't want to be rude with you, sorry. I'm simply tired of people that minimizes the question. The open driver is far more usable and maybe also more feature-rich than Catalyst, but it's still incomplete. BTW, I tried both radeon and radeonhd, and their powersaving is just unacceptable for a laptop user, IMHO.

apollokk · 2010-01-12 21:20:11

OK, everyone uses the drivers he wants!

(you weren't rude)

Misfit138 · 2010-01-12 21:50:52

snack wrote:

I'm boring, I know. But I feel the necessity to point out that Catalyst is not an option for someone, it's a necessity: until open drivers will not implement a decent poer saving, laptop users are bound to Catalyst. Not every Catalyst user has suicidal tendencies as open driver fanboys might think...

Well, perhaps there is truth to this, but you must also realize that Catalyst only supports a small percentage of laptop users' hardware, namely the newest cards.
Everyone else has no other choice but to use the open source drivers..fanboys notwithstanding.

apollokk · 2010-01-12 22:15:55

As in Windows, most laptop cards are not supported.

snack · 2010-01-12 23:34:58

OK guys, I know. I'd like only that the whole thing would not be reduced to "go open" or "go nvidia", since it's not very useful. We all know that Catalyst sucks...

hunterthomson · 2010-01-13 12:18:26

Well, as you know I have switched to the Open xf86-video-ati +All Stable Repo Core packages.
I am still vary pleased with the performance. I can play games, it's just like playing them on and Intel x3100. However, the 2D is alsom and I don't play games that much so it is the perfict fit for me becuas the Catalyst suport for the Mobility HD3650 is super bad.

About the PowerStuff..... Hum, you know I never really did keep an eye on my System Temps... I also use to live in ~70F-60F now my room temp is at ~75F-90F. So, my test results are could be WAY Way off.... However, I started smelling melting plastic smell and looked at my CPU tep 90C!! Holy carp! Mind you that is with a WinXP VB Keeping the CPU0-100% CPU1-50%. However, before when room temp was like dead-on 70F My CPU tep would never go above 40C and would stay at 30C most of the time.

Now the CPU sits at 70C and vary quickly jumps upto 80-90C. I have propped up the back of my laptop with a candy bar to get more air in an keep and eye on the temp. I also installed cpufreq and that keeps the tep at like 70C and tops out at 88C

Hard ware wise I have a 45nm P8400 2.26 Core 2. The Heat sink from my ATI-GPU and CPU connect at the Fan-Radiator... So, I was thinking that the Fan can't get rid of all the Heat from the "GPU" and so the heat is transferring into my "CPU". The ATI card is a PCI car that is OnTop of the Motherboard under my Keyboard. So it is hard to tell if it is heating up. Though the keyboard dose feel hotter then it should even though I am not doing any graphically intensive stuff.

Also, note I have 4GB of Over-clocked 4-4-4-12 GSkill RAM that gets crazy hot too.

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Just a note on the PowerSaving on Laptops... As you have read my Test is problay way way off and may have nothing to do with the new xf86-video-ati driver
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Also, I ordered a Cooler Master Notepal U2 Notebook Cooler with Two Fans and I should get it tomorrow. I plan on putting one fan right under the laptop fan and the other fan right on the RAM or the other vents, which ever works best.
I also have 3Year On-Site Warranty on my HP elitebook 8530w
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I would install the Catalyst again to test but that is just imposable. I would have to downgrade like 100 packages.

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hunterthomson · 2010-01-14 05:17:22

Well I got that notebook cooler. Now my CPU sits at 58C and Tops out at 79-81C. Not so scary.

insanemal · 2010-01-18 02:35:21

I'm on a laptop with a HD4530, running 2.6.32-1 and all radeon gear from git. My battery life is ok. The only heat issues I have are because of the centrino 2 chipset not being 100% Linux supported. (So it's boot up, wait till it gets above cool and reboot. Fans run normal then)

Just commenting on the extra heat generation of the oss drivers.. I don't see any extra heat.

Oh the laptop is a U500 Toshiba.

snack · 2010-01-18 11:11:21

insanemal wrote:

I'm on a laptop with a HD4530, running 2.6.32-1 and all radeon gear from git. My battery life is ok. The only heat issues I have are because of the centrino 2 chipset not being 100% Linux supported. (So it's boot up, wait till it gets above cool and reboot. Fans run normal then)
Just commenting on the extra heat generation of the oss drivers.. I don't see any extra heat.
Oh the laptop is a U500 Toshiba.

Thank you very much, insanemal. It's been a long way since I tried the radeon drivers, maybe things have improved recentrly. I'll give it a try as soon as I have some spare time. BTW, I have a Centrino 2 also, and I don't notice any heat issue (with kernel 2.6.31)

insanemal · 2010-01-19 00:00:50

snack wrote:

insanemal wrote:
I'm on a laptop with a HD4530, running 2.6.32-1 and all radeon gear from git. My battery life is ok. The only heat issues I have are because of the centrino 2 chipset not being 100% Linux supported. (So it's boot up, wait till it gets above cool and reboot. Fans run normal then)
Just commenting on the extra heat generation of the oss drivers.. I don't see any extra heat.
Oh the laptop is a U500 Toshiba.
Thank you very much, insanemal. It's been a long way since I tried the radeon drivers, maybe things have improved recentrly. I'll give it a try as soon as I have some spare time. BTW, I have a Centrino 2 also, and I don't notice any heat issue (with kernel 2.6.31)

I think it might be partially a Toshiba thing. As they have some "cool and quiet" or some crap. i.e. they don't turn the fan on at boot. It goes into like some crazy power state, the fan isn't on and linux can't turn it on.
Dunno.. it's way weird. But its all good after a reboot.

Tho I can't stress running the GIT gear enough. The recent Mesa commits give you Blit support. It makes it all much quicker than it was, (well it sorts out some odd bugs any way).
There is a really good thread about doing it over here http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=79509&p=1

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Kariddi · 2010-01-20 16:35:26

Someone knows something about Evergreen support in opensource RADEON/RADEONHD drivers?

flamelab · 2010-01-20 16:40:14

Kariddi wrote:

Someone knows something about Evergreen support in opensource RADEON/RADEONHD drivers?

Look here: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature

handy · 2010-01-20 20:17:28

Kariddi wrote:

Someone knows something about Evergreen support in opensource RADEON/RADEONHD drivers?

This is terrific news for the future of open-source Evergreen support:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n … &px=NzgzMg

snack · 2010-01-23 19:45:43

insanemal wrote:

snack wrote:
insanemal wrote:
I'm on a laptop with a HD4530, running 2.6.32-1 and all radeon gear from git. My battery life is ok. The only heat issues I have are because of the centrino 2 chipset not being 100% Linux supported. (So it's boot up, wait till it gets above cool and reboot. Fans run normal then)
Just commenting on the extra heat generation of the oss drivers.. I don't see any extra heat.
Oh the laptop is a U500 Toshiba.
Thank you very much, insanemal. It's been a long way since I tried the radeon drivers, maybe things have improved recentrly. I'll give it a try as soon as I have some spare time. BTW, I have a Centrino 2 also, and I don't notice any heat issue (with kernel 2.6.31)
I think it might be partially a Toshiba thing. As they have some "cool and quiet" or some crap. i.e. they don't turn the fan on at boot. It goes into like some crazy power state, the fan isn't on and linux can't turn it on.
Dunno.. it's way weird. But its all good after a reboot.
Tho I can't stress running the GIT gear enough. The recent Mesa commits give you Blit support. It makes it all much quicker than it was, (well it sorts out some odd bugs any way).
There is a really good thread about doing it over here http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=79509&p=1

I tried the radeon driver on the 64 bit Arch installation of my laptop (the one for fun, I also have a 32 bit installation for work). It is the official version in Arch repos, and it works perfectly: 2D and 3D are awesome in standard desktop usage. Also power management seems much better than I remember from my last try: the laptop is a bit hotter than with Catalyst, but not so much. I think I'll try it for a while, but my impression is that finally the Catalyst madness is almost over.

hunterthomson · 2010-01-24 03:42:56

Ya I would agree. It's Almost over. If you don't play games to much it is over.

Arg....
I'm thinking about buying a new Alianware M15x with a Core i7-720QM and Arg... nVidea....
Boy if it had a ATI card I'd buy it no question... I'm a little skidish about going back to a proprietary driver. The M17x has ATI but it is like $500 more for my config. + the M15x is ginormous enough for me and higher pixel density on the 15.6.

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snack · 2010-01-24 09:32:08

hunterthomson wrote:

I'm thinking about buying a new Alianware M15x with a Core i7-720QM and Arg... nVidea....
Boy if it had a ATI card I'd buy it no question... I'm a little skidish about going back to a proprietary driver.

I don't understand your point. Why are you so worried about Nvidia and its proprietary driver? I have a desktop with an Nvidia 8800 GTS, I use proprietary driver and it works amazingly well, it is released very frequently and always allows to use the latest kernel + xorg-server. I would only be worried about Nvidia reducing its efforts in developing the Linux driver in the future, but there's no element indicating this: Nvidia have always put a great effortin Linux, and hopefully it will do the same in the future.

hunterthomson · 2010-01-24 10:27:43

Right on, I'v read some stuff here and there.. Like problems switching between virtual terminals. But the last I read that was fixed. Ya though, they do support FreeBSD(& can make it work with all BSD's), Solaris, and Linux outright.

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snack · 2010-01-24 18:24:32

I tested the radeon driver but sadly, despite good temperatures, I found that battery life is greatly reduced with respect to Catalyst (about a half, from a first quick experiment). The only difference is that on my laptop Catalyst is on i686 and radeon is on x86_64: I don't know if there are differences in battery life between the two systems even with the same driver.
Anyway, I think that I'll stick with Catalyst with i686 and use x86_64 to periodically test raden powersave features, hoping that soon the open driver will match power saving features of Catalyst to undergo a complete transition.

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