The AMD/ATI Bar & Grill

timong · 2010-02-23 10:39:08

Yeah, amd under linux is infamous...but no idea how, the fun factor on my notebook is that with the 5650 (evergreen) i havent experienced any kind of system freeze that are reported to happen with the previous generations. I guess the part of catalyst blob that was introduced for the 5xxx series lacks something that causes freeze on older cards. Hopefully AMD wont introduce it later on...

snack · 2010-02-23 10:43:10

timong wrote:

Yeah, amd under linux is infamous...but no idea how, the fun factor on my notebook is that with the 5650 (evergreen) i havent experienced any kind of system freeze that are reported to happen with the previous generations. I guess the part of catalyst blob that was introduced for the 5xxx series lacks something that causes freeze on older cards. Hopefully AMD wont introduce it later on...

I have no freezes on my laptop (Mobility HD 3470), at least, no frequent freezes. I can say that it's rock solid (but I don't use 3D, except for kwin).

agapito · 2010-02-23 10:44:55

timong wrote:

Yeah, amd under linux is infamous...but no idea how, the fun factor on my notebook is that with the 5650 (evergreen) i havent experienced any kind of system freeze that are reported to happen with the previous generations. I guess the part of catalyst blob that was introduced for the 5xxx series lacks something that causes freeze on older cards. Hopefully AMD wont introduce it later on...

+1

I have 5770 and i have to admit, with catalyst i never had a system freeze. I hope with 10.3 composite works again and 1.7 support.

Vi0L0 · 2010-02-23 11:30:03

I'd like to remid you that this forum is to critic ati, not glorify it ;P

Is it really such hard to freeze catalyst on your systems? I remember that this wasn't so hard on my 4850 - changing kde effects and applying different effects many times or switching to VT when something was going on sometimes(/often) causes freezes...
Generally system was stable, but now with oss driver i have no freezes/crashes, and it feels almost as stable as Windows

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snack · 2010-02-23 11:34:42

Vi0L0 wrote:

I'd like to remid you that this forum is to critic ati, not glorify it ;P
Is it really such hard to freeze catalyst on your systems? I remember that this wasn't so hard on my 4850 - changing kde effects and applying different effects many times or switching to VT when something was going on sometimes(/often) causes freezes...
Generally system was stable, but now with oss driver i have no freezes/crashes, and it feels almost as stable as Windows

I almost never noticed the things you are mentioning. Changing effects and switching to VT work flawlessly. I had some problems but they went away many months ago, I think with 9.6. Maybe the 4xxx series has some driver problems wrt 3xxx/5xxx.

Vi0L0 · 2010-02-23 11:42:04

snack wrote:

Vi0L0 wrote:
I'd like to remid you that this forum is to critic ati, not glorify it ;P
Is it really such hard to freeze catalyst on your systems? I remember that this wasn't so hard on my 4850 - changing kde effects and applying different effects many times or switching to VT when something was going on sometimes(/often) causes freezes...
Generally system was stable, but now with oss driver i have no freezes/crashes, and it feels almost as stable as Windows
I almost never noticed the things you are mentioning. Changing effects and switching to VT work flawlessly. I had some problems but they went away many months ago, I think with 9.6. Maybe the 4xxx series has some driver problems wrt 3xxx/5xxx.

Maybe... My last X's crash was after installing 10.2... no kwin at all
Naah - i have those problems with effects even on 10.1

timong · 2010-02-23 12:06:28

snack wrote:

Vi0L0 wrote:
I'd like to remid you that this forum is to critic ati, not glorify it ;P
Is it really such hard to freeze catalyst on your systems? I remember that this wasn't so hard on my 4850 - changing kde effects and applying different effects many times or switching to VT when something was going on sometimes(/often) causes freezes...
Generally system was stable, but now with oss driver i have no freezes/crashes, and it feels almost as stable as Windows
I almost never noticed the things you are mentioning. Changing effects and switching to VT work flawlessly. I had some problems but they went away many months ago, I think with 9.6. Maybe the 4xxx series has some driver problems wrt 3xxx/5xxx.

Yeah, i'm actively changing VTs and it works without any problem, also suspend/resume doesnt effect the further functioning of the system. These things were working very ugly when I was owning an ati 9600xt. Back then I had to use the opensource driver to prevent Neverwinter from freezing. Since I have this new notebook only two ways i can freeze it: one is to go back to 9.10 - always freeze upon starting X if DRI enabled (drmOpen fails and that makes it freeze, i guess some part doesnt support my exact model even if it runs okay with other 5xxx). With 10.1+ the only way i can make it freeze is to shutdown GDM and restart it, and switch to the X instance. If i dont shut it down, but instead use killall -9 Xorg it restarts nicely. Also it's working quite nice to switch users, so multiple X instances is working too so far.

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LukynZ · 2010-02-23 12:30:26

Well catalyst driver is ok until u:

1] don't want to switch user
2] don't want to play game and then go back to compositing desktop
3] don't want to play game through wine
4] dont want to kill X server

then say hello to reset button

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timong · 2010-02-23 12:35:39

LukynZ wrote:

Well catalyst driver is ok until u:
1] don't want to switch user
2] don't want to play game and then go back to compositing desktop
3] don't want to play game through wine
4] dont want to kill X server
then say hello to reset button

Thats quite sad. I read you have an 3xxx series card.

Out of these I can do 1,2,4 without freeze on my hd5650 with catalyst 10.1+. I haven't tried point 3 yet.

ATi guys are splitting the driver code in a way that seems to do different things on different cards?

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LukynZ · 2010-02-23 12:43:52

dunno, but I am hardly thinking about 5450...this card is just amazing

Vi0L0 · 2010-02-23 12:47:08

LukynZ wrote:

Well catalyst driver is ok until u:
1] don't want to switch user
2] don't want to play game and then go back to compositing desktop
3] don't want to play game through wine
4] dont want to kill X server
then say hello to reset button

I also didn't have problems with those points, except maybe 1] which i don't even tried. Some wine games works very well for me, some not. And like i wrote earlier - running Witcher on medium details was kinda surprise.

timong · 2010-02-23 12:53:08

Vi0L0 wrote:

Some wine games works very well for me, some not. And like i wrote earlier - running Witcher on medium details was kinda surprise.

Fun! I dualboot win7 for Witcher (too), i'm just playing, chapter III
I prefer to run games in their native OS since i was left with no choice to buy or not a win7 with the notebook.
Luckily Linux native games run fine for me. NWN1, Eschalon Book I, Penumbra Series, Quake4, Warzone 2100 works really nice. I can't guess why is it working not with some of the ati cards we are talking about here..

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LukynZ · 2010-02-23 12:55:04

well problem 1 means switch user and first one is still running - so creating another new session - this alwasy freeze graphics and restart was only choice
problem 2 I had yesterday when I play openarena and then quit the game - black screen with cursor...so ctrl+alt+f1...kill X server and then total break of graphic and restart (viz point 4)
problem 3 depend on game, but if there is a problem, no chance to return back unless u haven't wine in window...

timong · 2010-02-23 12:57:16

LukynZ wrote:

well problem 1 means switch user and first one is still running - so creating another new session - this alwasy freeze graphics and restart was only choice
problem 2 I had yesterday when I play openarena and then quit the game - black screen with cursor...so ctrl+alt+f1...kill X server and then total break of graphic and restart (viz point 4)
problem 3 depend on game, but if there is a problem, no chance to return back unless u haven't wine in window...

I will try to check these. Havent checked these exactly like that. Havent played openarena either. Is it easily reproducible?

LukynZ · 2010-02-23 13:01:07

timong wrote:

LukynZ wrote:
well problem 1 means switch user and first one is still running - so creating another new session - this alwasy freeze graphics and restart was only choice
problem 2 I had yesterday when I play openarena and then quit the game - black screen with cursor...so ctrl+alt+f1...kill X server and then total break of graphic and restart (viz point 4)
problem 3 depend on game, but if there is a problem, no chance to return back unless u haven't wine in window...
I will try to check these. Havent checked these exactly like that. Havent played openarena either. Is it easily reproducible?

point 1 always, openarena I triend only one times with catalyst, I dont want to restart point 3 ... try CS, there it is standard....point 4 ... I am killing server only when there is any problem, so I don't know how it works normally

Vi0L0 · 2010-02-23 13:01:35

LukynZ wrote:

problem 2 I had yesterday when I play openarena and then quit the game - black screen with cursor...so ctrl+alt+f1...kill X server and then total break of graphic and restart (viz point 4)

Did you try to kill DM and start it again after X kill?

LukynZ wrote:

problem 3 depend on game, but if there is a problem, no chance to return back unless u haven't wine in window...

For me that's also usually true.

timong · 2010-02-23 13:14:06

Vi0L0 wrote:

LukynZ wrote:
problem 3 depend on game, but if there is a problem, no chance to return back unless u haven't wine in window...
For me that's also usually true.

That's usually the same with nvidia and intel for me. So I guess it's more related to how wine and X works. Isn't switch to VT working then? Well, that will be a catalyst related thing then... I usually use a remote ssh connection to kill X if nothing else helps...

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LukynZ · 2010-02-23 13:17:57

Vi0L0 wrote:

LukynZ wrote:
problem 2 I had yesterday when I play openarena and then quit the game - black screen with cursor...so ctrl+alt+f1...kill X server and then total break of graphic and restart (viz point 4)
Did you try to kill DM and start it again after X kill?

Ok maybe I write it a little bit wrong....I am stopping KDM. I have KDM start in inittab, so when I stop KDM daemon, it automatically starts again, but at this point I see totaly broken screen and graphics freeze

With OSS drivers there is no problem doing this

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*vitali* · 2010-02-23 19:39:44

The release notes are online.
http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/catal … _linux.pdf

kronsi · 2010-02-24 20:39:57

Hey Guys,

I don't know what I'm doing wrong....
I have installed catalyst 10.1
bevore i've downgraded xorg-server an theese keyboard, endev and mouse packages
I've got a a ATI Mobility Radeon 4650 HD

Now the XServer didn't want to start....
Here is my xorg.conf

Section "ServerLayout"
    Identifier     "aticonfig Layout"
    Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0" 0 0
EndSection

Section "Files"
EndSection

Section "Module"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
    Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
    Option        "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
    Option        "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
    Option        "DPMS" "true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
    Driver      "fglrx"
    BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
    Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0"
    Device     "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
    Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
    DefaultDepth     24
    SubSection "Display"
        Viewport   0 0
        Depth     24
    EndSubSection
EndSection

and here is my Xorg.log, i hope you can help me.... thanks a lot

X.Org X Server 1.6.3
Release Date: 2009-7-31
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.30-ARCH x86_64 
Current Operating System: Linux kronsi-notebook 2.6.32-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Feb 9 15:12:10 CET 2010 x86_64
Build Date: 25 August 2009  09:11:18PM
 
    Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
    to make sure that you have the latest version.
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
    (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
    (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Feb 24 22:23:21 2010
(II) Loader magic: 0x15c0
(II) Module ABI versions:
    X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
    X.Org Video Driver: 5.0
    X.Org XInput driver : 4.0
    X.Org Server Extension : 2.0
(II) Loader running on linux
(--) using VT number 7

(--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0) 1002:9480:144d:c050 ATI Technologies Inc M96 [Mobility Radeon HD 4650] rev 0, Mem @ 0xd0000000/268435456, 0xcfef0000/65536, I/O @ 0x00002000/256, BIOS @ 0x????????/131072
List of video drivers:
    fglrx
(II) LoadModule: "fglrx"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//fglrx_drv.so
(II) Module fglrx: vendor="FireGL - ATI Technologies Inc."
    compiled for 1.4.99.906, module version = 8.69.4
    Module class: X.Org Video Driver
(II) Loading sub module "fglrxdrm"
(II) LoadModule: "fglrxdrm"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/linux//libfglrxdrm.so
(II) Module fglrxdrm: vendor="FireGL - ATI Technologies Inc."
    compiled for 1.4.99.906, module version = 8.69.4
(II) System resource ranges:
    [0] -1    0    0xffffffff - 0xffffffff (0x1) MX[b]
    [1] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[b]
    [2] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[b]
    [3] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[b]
    [4] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[b]
    [5] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x00000000 (0x1) IX[b]
(II) Primary Device is: PCI 01@00:00:0
(WW) Falling back to old probe method for fglrx
(II) Loading PCS database from /etc/ati/amdpcsdb
(WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@1:0:1) found
(**) ChipID override: 0x9480
(**) Chipset Supported AMD Graphics Processor (0x9480) found

Backtrace:
0: Xorg(xorg_backtrace+0x26) [0x4e9186]
1: Xorg(xf86SigHandler+0x6f) [0x47612f]
2: /lib/libc.so.6(+0x320b0) [0x7fe1e93300b0]
3: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//fglrx_drv.so(atiddxProbeMain+0x98a) [0x7fe1e85137ca]
4: Xorg(xf86CallDriverProbe+0xd9) [0x4685b9]
5: Xorg(DoConfigure+0x1a3) [0x485ea3]
6: Xorg(InitOutput+0x159) [0x468a79]
7: Xorg(main+0x1fe) [0x42e5be]
8: /lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xfd) [0x7fe1e931cb6d]
9: Xorg() [0x42dbf9]

Fatal server error:
Caught signal 11.  Server aborting


Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support 
     at http://wiki.x.org
 for help. 
Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information.

Last edited by kronsi (2010-02-24 21:30:39)

LukynZ · 2010-02-24 21:09:47

What type of ATI card do you have?

LukynZ · 2010-02-24 21:17:57

Today I tried catalyst 10.2. again. I uninstalled xorg and all drivers I had, installed xorg with fix and catalyst, restart kdm, let xorg load fglrx module and now openarena works fine, switch user works fine. CS through wine still freeze, but I try go to tty, kill wine and hl.exe...after this my screen break...but with alt+f7 I can go back to KDE and everything is fine. Weird...but working However kwin composition isnt so smooth like OSS drivers and this wine-thing is really sad for me..

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kronsi · 2010-02-24 21:29:38

I'm sorry it's a ATI Mobility Radeon 4650

I think the problem is near here

(II) Primary Device is: PCI 01@00:00:0
(WW) Falling back to old probe method for fglrx
(II) Loading PCS database from /etc/ati/amdpcsdb
(WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@1:0:1) found

But I dont know what i have to do

Last edited by kronsi (2010-02-24 21:33:36)

snack · 2010-02-24 21:50:02

Did you try Vi0l0's repository? Try to uninstall everything (xorg and catalyst) and follow the instructions posted by Vi0l0 up in this thread.

@Vi0l0: this thread is overflowing. If you are planning to maintain your catalyst repo for some time, then why don't you write a brief wiki page with installation instructions? It should be very useful for those like kronsi who are experiencing some problems.

flamelab · 2010-02-24 22:01:14

kronsi wrote:

I'm sorry it's a ATI Mobility Radeon 4650
I think the problem is near here
(II) Primary Device is: PCI 01@00:00:0
(WW) Falling back to old probe method for fglrx
(II) Loading PCS database from /etc/ati/amdpcsdb
(WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@1:0:1) found
But I dont know what i have to do

Delete /etc/ati folder and retry.

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