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#26 2004-10-07 19:08:53

skoal
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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

neri wrote:

In my packages I encountered a problem with the basic configurations. The session stuff fails due to a 'can't load failsafe session' . After I copied the confs from /opt/xfce4/etc/xdg/xfce4-session/* to ~/.config/xfce4-session/* [...]

Yes, I guess that's what you can expect since it's still beta.  I had the same problems...

However, the easiest surefire fix is to do the following:

THIS WILL GIVE YOU A CLEAN/DEFAULT SESSION.  IF YOU DON'T DO THE FOLLOWING, YOU WILL GET RANDOM RESULTS after you run "startxfce4" the first time.  I believe it's mainly due to the existing ".cache" folder from your prior xfce4-4.0.x sessions.

1. Completely remove your ".config" directory, and the ".cache" directory as well.

rm -rf ~/.config
rm -rf ~/.cache

2. Run "startxfce4".  It will fail and take you back to the console.  That's ok.  It atleast created the ".config" directory and a few files within.

3. Do the following:

cp -a /opt/xfce4/etc/xdg/xfce4* ~/.config

4. Run "startxfce4" again.  And, everything will be fine.

* Since this is still beta, there's no telling what could be causing it.  It could be a combination of things.  However, I do know that you need to blow away the ".cache" folder as well.  Otherwise, you will get missing parts of XFCE-4, like the panel.

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#27 2004-10-08 09:36:46

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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

Is there a chance that these packages will be added to the extra repo?

It would be so much easier to do pacman -S xfce4 and enjoy the new beta, since there seem to be several problems with getting the new xfce4 to run smoothly.

I'm running the previous version of xfce4 from extra.

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#28 2004-10-08 09:48:35

neri
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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

Dreameen wrote:

Is there a chance that these packages will be added to the extra repo?

It would be so much easier to do pacman -S xfce4 and enjoy the new beta, since there seem to be several problems with getting the new xfce4 to run smoothly.

I'm running the previous version of xfce4 from extra.

Well finally this will be orelien's decision, but I don't like to see sftware
marked explicitly as beta going into extra. While testing might be an
opportunity, It will be a lot of work to do this.

Until 4.2 final this won't hit extra I think.

-neri

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#29 2004-10-09 07:29:56

dammit
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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

orelien wrote:

I've uploaded a 4.1.90-2 PKGBUILD set taking into account skoal and neri remarks :
http://aurelien.foret.free.fr/archlinux … 0-2.tar.gz
xfdesktop now conflicts with xfce4-menueditor, and it also replaces it (to handle   pacman -Syu properly).

g'day
I tried to use ur PKGBUILD but it kept on giving me error about unable to connect to my pc (eg. it says unable to connect to BATMAN) and then it crashes back to console.  Neri tried to help me with this problem but in the end we couldn't solve it. 

Then I tried sweiss's PKGBUILD this afternoon and that worked, and followed skoal's suggestion post installation and now everything worked.  One thing that I notice is that there is no calendar icon on the top left taskbar where it normally would be, but everything else works.  Im using atm and it's really slick.

thanks
dammit
(a.k.a. agva)

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#30 2004-10-10 11:50:18

Dreameen
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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

I'm a bit confused. There are so many PKGBUILD's in the xfce-4.190 dir.

Should i install all of them and how does it handle dependencies? Should i remove my old xfce4 first? If sumone could write a short how to install the new beta i'd appreciate it.

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#31 2004-10-10 13:28:26

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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

Dreameen wrote:

Should i install all of them and how does it handle dependencies? Should i remove my old xfce4 first? If sumone could write a short how to install the new beta i'd appreciate it.

Here we go....
Uninstalling old xfce4 and the goodies is essential, since new apps will try to
link against old libs, which will fail. So either you

pacman -R xfce4 xfce4-goodies

or

pacman -Rc libxfce4util gtk-xfce-engine

which will uninstall this lib and all things depending on it. This way or the other
you get rid of the old one. Now remove the xfce4 subdir from _your_ abs
tree. Unless you redefined the ABSROOT var in /etc/abs/abs.conf the
ABSROOT is in /var/abs. This does mean you have to type a:

rm -rf /var/abs/extra/xfce4

Now copy the content of the tarball from Aurelien or sweiss to tha dir. Why
is that necessary? Cuz "makeworld" which we will use for that tries to
satisfy dependencies from ABSROOT. If you leave your old(acutually the
current 4.0.6) PKGBUILDs in there you will run in the same problem as if
you leave the old libs on your box and the build will fail.
Now we build the packages and install the. To do so we have to become
root!
su yourself and cd to ABSROOT
here you usually have two files: build.log and makepkg.log. Clean them up.
They will be useful if something goes wrong. Now we build.

makeworld -bci /path/for/compiled/pkgs extra/xfce4

Note: xfce is the name of dir beyond extra. If you leave the dir name as
from the tarball, you have to enter the correct path here!
Make youreself a cup of tea. I recommend Darjeeling,second flush. Built
will take about 20 min on a 1.8 P VI. If you wann speed that up a bit, down-
load the complete tarball from the xfce4 servers and untar it into /var/cache/pacman/src. You will have to be root to do so!
Leave you superuser state!!!
Don't startxfce4 now or things will skrew up - we will have to copy the
configs first. To so so copy everything from opt/etc/xdg to ~

cp -r /opt/xfce4/etc/xdg/* ~/.config/

now you can startxfce4
the goodies won't work, cuz of lib incompabilities. Either you make a
symlink as suggested in this thread further up a bit or you put all the
goodies-related PKGBUILDS into a dir, place that to ABSROOT and
makeworld them like you did with xfce4. AFAIK, they build all except the
showdesktop-plugin.

What are the necessary packages? But they are basically in the tarballs.

drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 15:37 gtk-xfce-engine
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 15:47 libxfce4mcs
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 15:38 libxfce4util
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 15:44 libxfcegui4
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 16:00 xfcalendar
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 15:48 xfce-mcs-manager
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 15:54 xfce-mcs-plugins
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 15:51 xfce-utils
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 16:05 xfce4-appfinder
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 16:01 xfce4-icon-theme
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 15:56 xfce4-iconbox
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  7 11:40 xfce4-mixer
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 15:50 xfce4-panel
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 20:23 xfce4-session
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 16:33 xfce4-systray
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 16:34 xfce4-toys
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 16:34 xfce4-trigger-launcher
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 15:53 xfdesktop
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 15:59 xffm
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 16:03 xfprint
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 16:37 xfwm4
drwxr-xr-x  2 tobias users 4096 Oct  5 16:39 xfwm4-themes

Whoever want's to wikify that, go ahead.
-neri

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#32 2004-10-10 14:36:18

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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

http://aurelien.foret.free.fr/archlinux … 0-3.tar.gz
It includes a new version of libxfce4util, fixing the $HOME/.config issue.

From libxfce4util code, I found that Xfce relies on XDG_DATA_DIRS and XDG_CONFIG_DIRS env parameters.
Adding the /opt/xfce4 arborescence to them fixed the issue.

No need anymore to populate .config by hand after a fresh install.

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#33 2004-10-10 16:54:27

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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

Thanks for the detailed guide and new PKGBUILDS. Right now i'm running 'makeworld -bci /opt/xfce4 extra/xfce4' so it'll take a while;)
I was just wondering if the new installation will use the ./xfce4 dir in my home directory? You've also mentioned sth about plugins compatibility. Will i be able to use plugins like: notes,xmms,minicmd..with the new beta??? I wiped my previous /opt/xfce4 dir and i fear that the plugins were there, if so, is it possible to compile the plugins against new xfce4??
*OMW to kitchen, tea time:)*

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#34 2004-10-10 17:18:46

neri
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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

Dreameen wrote:

I was just wondering if the new installation will use the ./xfce4 dir in my home directory? You've also mentioned sth about plugins compatibility. Will i be able to use plugins like: notes,xmms,minicmd..with the new beta??? I wiped my previous /opt/xfce4 dir and i fear that the plugins were there, if so, is it possible to compile the plugins against new xfce4??
*OMW to kitchen, tea time:)*

You won't be able to use the provided plugind from the repos(read
pacman -S xfce4-goodies), cuz they are linking against the old librararies
provided with the xfce4-4.0.6 libs. You either create a symlink of these
libraries

ln -s /opt/xfce4/lib/libxfcegui4.so.3.0.0 /opt/xfce4/lib/libxfcegui4.so.1

or you recompile all your
xfce4-plugins against the new beta, which I recommend.

As of the ~/.xfce4 stuff, this is not the place for the configs any more. The
freedesktop.org specs say that configs shall be hosted in
~./config/desktop/application
This is due to the fact, that usually hundreds of config files and dirs
populate your ~
Xfce4 now goes with this specs as openbox allready does. It is possible to
migrate part of the old stuff to ./config/xfce4 but you will have to be
capable of reading and writing xml.

-neri
enjoy your tea :-)

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#35 2004-10-10 18:31:34

Dreameen
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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

Installation completed. Everything is fine except there are some icons missing in configuration manager and some captions is in english, some in polish e.g."Display, Sound, Klawiatura, Mysz, Interfejs Użytkownika, Workspaces". Also, correct me if i'm wrong but there seems to be only one iconset for panel 'hicolor'.

btw. i didn't remove my ~./xfce4 folder and it imported panel settings from my previous installation, which is good.

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#36 2004-10-10 22:01:25

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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

I'm a openbox person, but I decieded to try the 4.2 beta, and I have grown quite fond of it smile

I emailed a screenshot (http://www.xfce.org/images/screenshots/oscar.png) to Oliver, with a browser pointed at archlinux.org, and he did put it on the screenshots section, so a few new xfce users will hopefully be aware of archlinux (or, atleast the address to the homepage ^^)


To err is human... to really foul up requires the root password.

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#37 2004-10-10 22:20:51

Dreameen
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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

Can someone someone try running Openoffice as a normal user under the new xfce4 beta...Here's what i get after ./soffice:

 ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 2345, errno = 0
pure virtual method called


Fatal exception: Signal 6
Stack:
/opt/openoffice/program/libsal.so.3[0x40bd43a8]
/opt/openoffice/program/libsal.so.3[0x40bd4532]
/opt/openoffice/program/libsal.so.3[0x40bd45f8]
[0xffffe420]
/lib/tls/libc.so.6(abort+0x129)[0x412a8c49]
/opt/openoffice/program/libstdc++.so.5[0x41262424]
/opt/openoffice/program/libstdc++.so.5[0x41262471]
/opt/openoffice/program/libstdc++.so.5[0x41262927]
/opt/openoffice/program/libcfgmgr2.so[0x431760e8]
/opt/openoffice/program/libcfgmgr2.so[0x431761ba]
/opt/openoffice/program/libcfgmgr2.so[0x4303914d]
/opt/openoffice/program/libcfgmgr2.so[0x430359cb]
/opt/openoffice/program/libcfgmgr2.so[0x43031f88]
/opt/openoffice/program/libcfgmgr2.so[0x43044793]
/opt/openoffice/program/libcfgmgr2.so[0x4311c7aa]
/opt/openoffice/program/libcfgmgr2.so[0x43138935]
/opt/openoffice/program/libcfgmgr2.so[0x431378ac]

When i run it as root everything is Ok, strange o.O

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#38 2004-10-11 13:04:02

dammit
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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

Hi

I noticed that firefox arent restored with the xfce4.2 sessions the next time you open xfce4, is this a bug or something else?

Also it seems that xfce4.2 takes around about 3 secs to load up instead of 1sec < fickle> tongue

cheers.
dammit

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#39 2004-10-11 13:35:03

neri
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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

dammit wrote:

Hi

I noticed that firefox arent restored with the xfce4.2 sessions the next time you open xfce4, is this a bug or something else?

Also it seems that xfce4.2 takes around about 3 secs to load up instead of 1sec < fickle> tongue

cheers.
dammit

The last time I was working with sessons was with gnome 1.x :-)
I remeber that this session handling wasn't aware of mozilla either. I have
no clue if and how other session handlers such as in Gnome and KDE
nowadays cope with mozilla'n friends. So far I think it's not really a bug but
just not so easy to implement if not even impossible.

-neri

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#40 2004-10-17 12:49:05

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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

None of my XFCE icons are appearing except for on the panlel.. xfcalender systray icon does not appear, and no icons except for xscreensaver and xffm are in the settings... I made a new user with clean config and same things happene.d... I used to have icons.. Any ideas? I rebuild all the mcs stuff..


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#41 2004-10-31 21:44:23

neri
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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

Hola, me gustas,

Beta2 hit the town and here we have upgraded PKGBUILDs:
http://www.justdreams.de/archlinux/down … 91.tar.bz2

Some changes, such as the ability to saver mixer sessions without segfaults
and other fixes, Check their changelog!
I repeat this advice: Download the fat tarball:
http://hannelore.f1.fhtw-berlin.de/mirr … rc.tar.bz2
Spread the single packages into /var/cache/pacman/src and things might get
done faster plus you reduce the chance of corrupted dl

---------------------------- EDIT ----------------------------------
A note about makeworld in addition to what orelien wrote here:
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?p=46600#46600

If you use the -b switch as suggested, makworld will look for dependencies
in your abs. When you have a fresh tree downloaded, please keep in mind,
these PKGBUILDs are for 4.0.6 and thus NOT compatible. The easiest way
to get the beta compiled is to replace the $ABSROOT/extra/xfce4 directory
with the unpacked tarball. So you make sure you build only lates libs and
apps.
---------------------------- END OF EDIT--------------------------
have fun
-neri

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#42 2004-11-02 21:57:51

jsutnoni
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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

wow I really do not understand how to install this at all.


-=JsutNoni=-

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#43 2004-11-03 13:08:11

oscar
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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

jsutnoni wrote:

wow I really do not understand how to install this at all.

niether do I, so I think I'll download that installer... smile


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#44 2004-11-17 14:42:24

dammit
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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

the new xfce4.2 rc1 release is out. tongue

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#45 2004-11-17 15:49:43

neri
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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

dammit wrote:

the new xfce4.2 rc1 release is out. tongue

... thought I posted that already ... anyway

Here you go for PKGBUILDs:
http://www.justdreams.de/archlinux/down … .1.tar.bz2

-neri

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#46 2004-11-19 15:40:35

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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

Just downloaded the PKGBUILDs and the packages from the following URL and used your makeworld instructions from before.

http://hannelore.f1.fhtw-berlin.de/mirr … rc.tar.bz2

Experienced no errors whatsoever, moved my ~/.xfce4 out of the way and right now it all seems to work rather nicely. 4.2 is looking great.

Thanks a lot!


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#47 2004-11-19 16:30:07

neri
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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

Bjørn wrote:

Experienced no errors whatsoever, moved my ~/.xfce4 out of the way and right now it all seems to work rather nicely. 4.2 is looking great.

Thanks a lot!

Thanks for the feedback, btw, xfce4.2 is supposed to be able to migrate
.xfce4 to .config/* places. I didn't expirience some trouble it worked rather
nicely

Anyway I still think it's better to build the config from scratch as you
probably did.

-neri

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#48 2004-11-20 01:31:56

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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

While I could have tried if it would migrate my settings, I wasn't interested in keeping any of my XFce configurations anyway and was interested in the new defaults as much as all the other new features.

As of now, I think 4.2 is great. One little gripe I have with it though, is that resizing a window is going significantly less smooth compared to 4.0. It's similar to GNOME now whereas XFce used to do window resizing on monitor-refresh speed. Even though rarely the window contents could keep up, I preferred when it gave extra priority to updating the frame.


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#49 2004-11-24 03:01:24

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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

I'm hosting the rc packages at http://lukaswayne.freelinuxhost.com    No composite compiled in, you'll have to recompile xfwm for that.  Have fun guys!! Enjoy!


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#50 2004-11-24 11:09:53

neri
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Re: [request] xfce 4.2-beta1

Hi,

some xfce-4.2 specific artwork is available from here:
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?p=54315#54315

-neri

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