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#51 2009-07-30 10:21:13

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

MarcosRoriz wrote:

I don't get it why arch is #6 at future distro @__@

I've read part of his thesis and I think that he made a wrong assumption there:

Thesis wrote:

Arch Arch is a smaller distribution which does rolling releases using its Pacman package manager to distribute binary packages. Four different repositories are crawled. The core and extra repositories are grouped under the current branch. The testing repository is considered the
future versions and lastly the community repository is the experimental branch.

I think it would be more accurate this way:

current:      core + extra
future:       core + extra + testing
experimental: core + extra + testing + community


What I find surprising is that even in current there is a 30% obsolete. Less obsolete than in other distros but still smile. I see that ther is a discussion for automation of flagging out of date packages. IMHO that would be an improvement. Another improvement could be a system which detects how long packages are flagged outdated. Because of the reactions here I think that we all love the fact that we are number 1, but still I see room for further improvement...

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#52 2009-07-30 10:42:12

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

So that means that if we went completely bleeding edge and dumped all of testing into core/extra, then we would drop off the bottom of the future rating?

I agree that "future = core + extra + testing"
I would even add community to both current and future... the devs can call it "unofficial" all they want, but it's enabled by default and is slowly getting integrated into the core/extra framework. The "unofficial" tag feels more like legalese at this point.

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#53 2009-07-30 11:08:54

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

BTW, after discussing this with Scott it is now current = core + extra + community

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#54 2009-07-30 12:31:56

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

And I also talked to him and this weekend (hopefully) future = testing + core + extra + community.

So future should never have a higher obsolete % than current does once this happens.

Edit: he said hopefully this weekend, I should clarify.

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#55 2009-07-30 19:43:43

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

How long until Phrak threatens to crush him with a car if he doesn't just manually set it to 0-1%?

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#56 2009-07-30 22:33:14

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

Xyne wrote:

How long until Phrak threatens to crush him with a car if he doesn't just manually set it to 0-1%?

I think the 1 week lag time speaks for itself more than the % obsolete.  Especially when the 2nd most up-to-date is 39 weeks, and 2nd most often updated is 9 weeks. (for current that is)

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#57 2009-08-02 03:14:13

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

scio wrote:

And I also talked to him and this weekend (hopefully) future = testing + core + extra + community.

So future should never have a higher obsolete % than current does once this happens.

Edit: he said hopefully this weekend, I should clarify.

Done!

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#58 2009-08-02 04:44:45

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tannewt wrote:

Done!

Well, that bumped us up a bit. Thanks.

Now all we need to do is gitmo some Gentoo devs. tongue

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#59 2009-08-22 15:27:03

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

I think it would be fair for oswatershed.org to list only stable packages and not alpha versions (like firefox 3.6a1, postgresql 8.5alpha1 and kdebase 4.3.65svn1013471).
They think if you must be running svn version of KDE4. Really? Sounds crazy roll

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#60 2009-09-04 17:55:55

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

I'll move to fedora big_smile

Seems like fedora is now most uptodate:

1       fedora      11      50.0%      1.55      7w
2     arch         55.0%     1.55     2w
3     freebsd     8     66.66%     3.13     29w
4     slackware     13.0     76.47%     3.12     12w
5     gentoo         85.0%     5.85     19w
6     funtoo         85.0%     5.80     18w
7     ubuntu     jaunty     90.0%     5.00     16w
8     sabayon     4     94.73%     5.63     25w
9     debian     lenny     95.0%     15.30     47w
10     opensuse     11.1     95.0%     6.55     32w

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#61 2009-09-04 18:00:00

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

Cosmin wrote:

I'll move to fedora big_smile

You'll be back, trust me.

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#62 2009-09-04 19:14:06

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

Acecero wrote:
Cosmin wrote:

I'll move to fedora big_smile

You'll be back, trust me.

maby big_smile

I was half kidding, half serious.
I mean fedora has any package I am interested in up to date.
on arch f-spot  is still 0.5.0.3-3 ...

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#63 2009-09-04 20:57:24

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

Cosmin wrote:
Acecero wrote:
Cosmin wrote:

I'll move to fedora big_smile

You'll be back, trust me.

maby big_smile

I was half kidding, half serious.
I mean fedora has any package I am interested in up to date.
on arch f-spot  is still 0.5.0.3-3 ...

See you in two weeks then, you're always welcome back. tongue

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#64 2009-09-04 21:14:23

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I'm not going yet ... I just have fedora on another partition wink

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#65 2009-09-05 07:16:36

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

How can Fedora be ahead of Arch? Are they using release candidates or some other trickery?

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#66 2009-09-05 07:24:12

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

Xyne wrote:

How can Fedora be ahead of Arch? Are they using release candidates or some other trickery?

No, they just updates the packages like arch even they have at 6 months releases. Ubuntu just updates for security.

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#67 2009-09-05 07:29:17

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

you can see exactly what packages are counted on the individual distro pages:

Arch: http://oswatershed.org/distro/arch#Current
Fedora: http://oswatershed.org/distro/fedora#Current

Obviously there are some issues with version numbers...

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#68 2009-09-05 07:37:09

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

Allan wrote:

you can see exactly what packages are counted on the individual distro pages:

Arch: http://oswatershed.org/distro/arch#Current
Fedora: http://oswatershed.org/distro/fedora#Current

Obviously there are some issues with version numbers...

yes there are issues ... if they were corrected maybe arch would take the lead again big_smile

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#69 2009-09-05 07:49:26

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

Cosmin wrote:
Allan wrote:

you can see exactly what packages are counted on the individual distro pages:

Arch: http://oswatershed.org/distro/arch#Current
Fedora: http://oswatershed.org/distro/fedora#Current

Obviously there are some issues with version numbers...

yes there are issues ... if they were corrected maybe arch would take the lead again big_smile

Honesty, there is nothing to stop you from updating f-spot on your own with pkgbuilds. I don't see reason to move to another distro, just because of a single package that's not up-to-date immediately. Either wait for the update or build it yourself.

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#70 2009-09-05 07:52:32

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

Maybe what would make more sense for this site would be to have a rating similar to the average load of *nix systems.
A value for the last week, a value for the last month and a value for the last 6 months.
Remember when this first sprouted, Arch was 40% obsolete. We are a bleeding edge distro but still another OS seem to be less obsolete? Of course that's entirely possible if they release new packages and the crawler picks them up before it picks up Arch. Obviously these stats won't take long to change but a value for different periods in the last 6 months would give a fairer result.


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#71 2009-09-05 07:58:54

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

sand_man wrote:

Remember when this first sprouted, Arch was 40% obsolete.

iirc it started 45% obsolete and then it went to 40% just 10 hours after that. You are right, it won't take long for the stats to change.

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#72 2009-09-05 08:05:48

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Re: Arch is the most updated distro :D

Acecero wrote:

Honesty, there is nothing to stop you from updating f-spot on your own with pkgbuilds. I don't see reason to move to another distro, just because of a single package that's not up-to-date immediately. Either wait for the update or build it yourself.

I have updated f-spot big_smile but still having some problems with opensync (missing the stable version 0.22 or documentation on 0.38) and on fedora is nice to have fingerprint reader enabled by default cool

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