Discussion: the ati/radeon open source drivers & radeon repository

agapito · 2009-11-17 17:49:06

This method works with Radeon 5770?

Perry3D · 2009-11-17 18:34:45

I don't think so: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature

From http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n … &px=NzU0OQ

In regards to open-source support for the Radeon HD 5800 series, we would expect initial mode-setting support to appear within the xf86-video-ati driver within weeks and hopefully we will also see kernel mode-setting support shortly thereafter or around time of the Linux 2.6.33 kernel, We would expect it to be at least a couple of months before there is any open-source 3D acceleration support for these new graphics cards.

Last edited by Perry3D (2009-11-18 09:42:35)

apollokk · 2009-11-18 08:22:14

FALSE! Delete me, please.

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apollokk · 2009-11-18 08:25:41

Perry, can you make a small video, an upload it to youtube, showing us, the performance of these drivers?

insanemal · 2009-11-18 09:07:39

apollokk wrote:

Perry, can you make a small video, an upload it to youtube, showing us, the performance of these drivers?

Sorry dood.. but what? Youtube vids of "performance"?

I'd prefer a bunch of raw numbers, and screen caps for quality checking.
Low quality blocky videos attemting to show people anything are not effective learning tools....
I know thats just opinion... but seriously people.. you can't fit as much useful information in one of these videos as you can in a half finished faq.

Perry3D · 2009-11-18 19:14:52

I agree to insenmal. What do you want to know? I can give you some benchmarks, but videos don't give any information about system behaviour.
But benchmarking is only usefull if you test on the same machine.

Compiz is working as it should (except blur): fast and snappy. No pixmap errors.
Sometime i get a black screen at boot. After 2 minutes the right screen appears. But the rest is very stable.

I think in heavy 3D benchmarks the catalyst driver is faster (at the moment).

libercv · 2009-11-19 11:01:53

Hi there

I've got a 4350 and everything works fine without kms. But when i turn on kms xorg is unable to start. Kdm tries to start several times and it finally exits leaving the xorg clock on the screen.
If i run "startx" from the console xorg starts (plain xorg with xterm), but glxgears and glxinfo segfault.
I get these errors:
glxgears[4178]: segfault at 0 ip b717fa72 sp bfa938e0 error 4 in libdrm_radeon.so.1.0.0b[b717e000+3000]
glxinfo[4179]: segfault at 0 ip b784ea72 sp bfe19190 error 4 in libdrm_radeon.so.1.0.0b[b784d000+3000]

I'm using kernel26-git, mesa-git, ati-dri-git, libgl-git, dri2proto-git, glproto-git, xf86-video-ati-git and libdrm-git

Any idea?
Thanks

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insanemal · 2009-11-20 00:05:44

Did you get radeon-firmware?

correnos · 2009-11-20 01:23:47

I have followed this guide and gained KMS and kwin compositing. However, my 3D situation is still not the best: Neverball is dog slow, and when I run glxinfo | grep -i opengl, it returns

OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project
OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.7-devel
OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20
OpenGL extensions:

with the obvious problem being that the renderer is on software rasterizer, not mesa dri. Does anyone else have this problem? Is there a solution I am missing? Thanks for any input.

BTW, I'm running a radeon HD 3870 with the git kernel.

Another possibly related piece of info, when I run Xorg -configure, a blank screen comes up, tty switching fails, and I am forced to reboot. No config file is created.

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ryeguy146 · 2009-11-20 07:22:15

I wanted to reply and thank you for posting this tutorial, Perry3D. And same to you flamelab, for your advice. I had a fun little ride through this and have actually learned quite a bit. Firstly, everything is working perfectly, though I did have to disable KMS. With KMS enabled, the bootup stalled and ended up not loading the proper drivers. I can post an Xorg log of a stalled/failed boot if anyone wishes it, but I'm not sure what it'd accomplish.

Thanks again. You guys are a big part of what makes Arch and Linux great.

libercv · 2009-11-20 07:52:37

insanemal wrote:

Did you get radeon-firmware?

Ooops... I thought it wasn't necessary with kernel26-git

Thanks a lot insanemal. I'm going to try installing that package too.
And a big "thank you" too to everyone maintaining packages and helping people in the forums.

Last edited by libercv (2009-11-20 07:59:06)

Perry3D · 2009-11-20 09:43:06

I think radeon-firmware is not necessary, the firmware drivers are in kernel26-firmware-git.

@correnos: Give us some output: /var/log/Xorg.0.log and dmesg.

Last edited by Perry3D (2009-11-20 09:44:57)

insanemal · 2009-11-20 13:26:14

Dunno, It just sounded like what mine did when I didn't have the firmware...

Also how/when are you starting KMS?

chibacityblues · 2009-11-20 15:48:41

I didn't install radeon-firmware, only kernel26-firmware-git. I tried KMS/GL with my HD4850 yesterday because I had issues with strange artefacts using xf86-video-ati. I got, well, mixed results.

Linux aphex 2.6.32-rc7-00193-g66b00a7-dirty #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Nov 19 16:16:36 CET 2009
x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

2.6.32-rc7 is running fine on my system; no problems there.

OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R600 (RV770 9442) 20090101 TCL
OpenGL version string: 1.5 Mesa 7.8-devel

The Good:
- Everything built just fine. Thanks for the instructions in the first post!
- KMS works fine; nice 1920x1200 VT
- Compositing with kwin works using xf86-video-ati-git. No luck using radeonhd.

The Bad
- Compiz doesn't work at all. It complains about GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap missing which is supported according to glxinfo. I've tried both radeon and radeonhd.
- radeonhd sometimes garbles my mouse cursor. (not a new problem)

The Ugly:
- kwin OpenGL-Compositing only works with KMS disabled.
- Composting stops working when I enable my 2nd screen via xrandr.
- Without compositing, the artefacts returned.

This is a bummer.. The GL composited desktop feels awesome; much better than I remember compiz with the nvidia-blob. No video tearing, no video problems, no artefacts.. I could do without KMS but xrandr is essential to me. So I'm stuck with radeonhd for a while. Works ok, except for the mouse cursor quirk.

KMS + xrandr + compositing + OSS driver would be kinda perfect. Hope it gets there some day soon..

Did you guys had similar experiences or can I do something about some of the issues I encountered?

Oh, one more thing

IRQ's not enabled, falling back to busy waits: 2 0

Any idea about this message from glxinfo?

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Perry3D · 2009-11-20 17:03:08

chibacityblues wrote:

Oh, one more thing
IRQ's not enabled, falling back to busy waits: 2 0
Any idea about this message from glxinfo?

That's just a warning, an unimplemented feature.
Show your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of dmesg.

yimm · 2009-11-20 19:13:42

If you have a R600/700 card, and you use KDE, follow this thread, maybe there will have a patch or something else. (Problems that I told in this thread)
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=531348

libercv · 2009-11-20 21:04:00

Perry3D wrote:

I think radeon-firmware is not necessary, the firmware drivers are in kernel26-firmware-git.

I've just tried with both kernel26-firmware-git and radeon-firmware and i get the same error.
insanemal: I use kms late start. It starts in module loading step.

Last edited by libercv (2009-11-20 22:52:35)

sherlock · 2009-11-21 15:26:39

Just tried it with kernel26-git and it works fine - kms and 3d and compiz (through fusion-icon). ATI HD4850.
BTW, this radeon drivers require kernel 2.6.32 so in any case you should use variant 1a or install 2.6.32 some other way. The variant 1b won't work with stock kernel as I think.

But performance is not so good.
Emerald slow, so switched to gtk-window-decorator. Cairo-dock is so slow that it's impossible to use it anyway. Firefox rendering noticably slow.
Are there any ways to speed it up in xorg.conf ?

aaahaaap · 2009-11-21 17:17:01

2weeks ago it still worked, now using kernel26-git and can't compile xf86-video-ati, see errormessage: http://pastebin.com/m69c47d6c

Suggested on #radeon irc that I need x11proto headers?
Couldn't find those though, and wondering why no one else needs them...

Perry3D · 2009-11-21 18:04:19

Looks like there is something wrong with a header file. Try reinstalling libxext.

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M177ER · 2009-11-21 20:16:55

I need some help identifying if this an R7xx or R8xx chip. The AMD /Ati website says that is the 785G chipset but I had trouble finding any information. Windows 7 identifies as the RS880M.

ATI Radeon HD 4200 Graphics with 128MB Display Cache Memory AMD RS880M with 128MB GDDR2 (sideport memory) with up to 1534MB total graphics memory

It is from a HP DV6-2044ca laptop.

If it is a R8xx will I be waiting until sometime in 2010? If that is so I might return that laptop for someting else.

flamelab wrote:

…
(and in the future)
3) 2D support for R8xx (still no specifications) : Maybe March 2010
4) 3D support for R600/R700 ) (it's going to happen in .32) : By January 2010
5) Hardware calls through KMS and AtomBIOS : By March or maybe January 2010
6) Powersaving through KMS and on the fly switching on/off (there are patches waiting for going on drm-2.6) : By March/April/May we are gonna have sufficient powersaving through KMS for <R5xx
7) Gallium3D 3d/networking integration (no idea how it's going to happen)
8) Leaving support for radeon and radeonhd, and have 3D without them. I don't know how it's going to happen, but it's underway. : Maybe by the end of 2010, or by the first months of 2011
9) KMS and 3D support για R8xx: By the end of 2010, or earlier if the code is not gonna be so much different.

Note: Except for 1 and 2, all the other dates are personal estimations.

yimm · 2009-11-21 20:38:53

aaahaaap wrote:

2weeks ago it still worked, now using kernel26-git and can't compile xf86-video-ati, see errormessage: http://pastebin.com/m69c47d6c
Suggested on #radeon irc that I need x11proto headers?
Couldn't find those though, and wondering why no one else needs them...

Perry3D wrote:

Looks like there is something wrong with a header file. Try reinstalling libxext.

You must update your xorg server. I have the same problem with 1.6 xorg version, code compile only with 1.7 xorg version oO. I don't know why. I have the same problem with 2-3 install of Archlinux.

ChemBro · 2009-11-21 22:55:11

M177ER wrote:

ATI Radeon HD 4200 Graphics

That's a R7xx "category"-chip. Mine is HD 4650 (R730, I guess). 3D works for me (with kernel26-git). And I don't think, you have to wait till the end of 2010 for R8xx chips. They are (according to ATI-Devs) pretty similiar to R6xx and R7xx.

dan.boff · 2009-11-21 23:11:53

is it just me, or is kde compositing broken since about 2-3 days:
my windows only get redrawn after I move them, and everything with transparent effects look odd...
(kernel26-git variant for drm stuff, and mesa,libgl, etc. from git)

M177ER · 2009-11-22 00:06:44

ChemBro wrote:

That's a R7xx "category"-chip. Mine is HD 4650 (R730, I guess). 3D works for me (with kernel26-git). And I don't think, you have to wait till the end of 2010 for R8xx chips. They are (according to ATI-Devs) pretty similiar to R6xx and R7xx.

Thanks ChemBro. I'm still going to wait until kernel 2.6.32 is released though.

Edit: I was actually able to finally find some info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison … HD_4xxx.29
It looks to be a 785G chipset; HD4xxx - which flamelab has said gets support in kernel 2.6.32. The RS880 is the codename not the R8xx.

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