ArchBang 2.00 RC1

hume's doona · 2010-02-12 16:31:16

This is exciting!

I have very limited bandwidth, or I'd help with testing. And I gather you want to avoid python, which is all I know for now.

But can I make a request? I see this as having a potential markets with poverty stricken students like me, and many of us use the 3g/huawei usb modems as our sole connection... So would it be possible to include wvdial by default?

sHyLoCk · 2010-02-12 17:00:23

hume's doona

Done.

hume's doona · 2010-02-12 17:06:01

sHyLoCk wrote:

hume's doona
Done.

Thank you!

I'll help test on a macbook pro once I have some available download credit

Calimero · 2010-02-12 20:00:32

BTW you should add a terminal option to your openbox menu, that leaks.
And just put those lines in ~/.Xdefaults for xterm to be nice :

xterm*background: #242424
xterm*foreground: #ffffff
xterm*faceName: xft:Dejavu Sans Mono:pixelsize=13:antialias=true
xterm*color0: #000000
xterm*color1: #a40000
xterm*color2: #4a9a06
xterm*color3: #c4a000
xterm*color4: #204a87
xterm*color5: #5c3566
xterm*color6: #729fcf
xterm*color7: #eeeeec
xterm*color8: #000000
xterm*color9: #cc0000
xterm*color10: #73d216
xterm*color11: #edd409
xterm*color12: #3465a4
xterm*color13: #75507b
xterm*color14: #729fcf
xterm*color15: #ffffff

And perhaps like me, use openbox-menu (that I put in AUR, made by a friend) that is a dynamic openbox menu that autodetects installed apps.

To lilsirecho especially : my 64bit 0.5 version is out.
I plan to make my next version in french/english (you'll be able to choose).

Yes, my installer uses unsquashfs, but you can as well use mount -o loop and cp -a.
It's just that unsquashfs was supposed to be more efficient using CDs for installation.
You'll understand I'm 100% focused on pure performance !

akurei · 2010-02-12 20:40:06

willxtreme wrote:

akurei wrote:
willxtreme wrote:
Most likely. We have two drivers included: vesa by default & Nvidia (the one for nvidia is for video cards greater than GF FX)
Could you give me some suggestions what I could try to get X started properly?
If you could Ctrl Alt F1-F6, login as root
and remove vesa & nvidia drivers
sudo pacman -R nvidia xf86-video-vesa
then install your appropriate intel video driver:
sudo pacman -S your_intel_driver
and run Xorg -configure > # cp /current_directory/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
and then login as live hopefully you will see clearly now

Will try! Thanks!

Calimero · 2010-02-12 21:45:11

Why the hell didn't you include all the free video drivers and just let Xorg autodetect, willxtreme ? I did that from the very first version of my live !
(xorg-video-drivers group)
To support early KMS and 3D accel on nvidia cards, I had to make a special initrd, but anyway, you can at least support the non-conflicting video drivers...

Sheepeh · 2010-02-13 02:10:19

This is really nice, and I hated CrunchBang for some reason. While I don't want to blow away my KDE install just yet, it's inspired me to try installing OpenBox alongside and using it in parallel for a while.

Great job!

sHyLoCk · 2010-02-13 02:24:18

Calimero

We are not using lzma. We were focusing on keeping a check on the size, hence including a bunch of video drivers didn't make any sense. Version 2.0 onwards we are going to provide an installable LiveCD, that works ootb and the user can boot into a working system.
Btw,good luck with your ctk and thanks for your generous offer to help us out. Much appreciated.

lilsirecho · 2010-02-13 05:47:32

Calimero
Using your x86-64 OS......

Difficult to use keyboard for old habits prevail.....

Still have problems with usb audio in ArchBang:::::caused by udev ::so says the googling:

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sHyLoCk · 2010-02-13 05:57:04

lilsirecho

Does it work with ctk?

lilsirecho · 2010-02-13 07:16:59

Shylock:

With ctk i686 version I have usb the first boot time.

I have not tried it twice as yet. Going to hit the sack now.

When booted in x86-64 ctk there is no USB audio.

The problem occurs only in 64bit so far.

Tomorrow will try i686 again for audio response.

Was able to get internet via wicd and downloaded vlc via pacman in i686. Did not get it to play, I assume I was in root mode but have no way of checking. Vlc doesn't like root!

Sure is a chore to type in the french boot up!

At my age it's a chore anywhichway!!!!

Keep the ArchBang exploding!!!

gradgrind · 2010-02-13 08:27:30

sHyLoCk wrote:

gradgrind
Thanks for the info!
I took a look at larchin, it's python+pyqt? We are basically focusing on Arch Installer, pure bash n ncurses based.

No pyqt, at the moment it's just a command-line program or usable from python as a back-end. But if you don't want python, you won't want this. Though I can't really understand why anyone would want to write a real program in such an unhelpful language as bash - my earlier versions of the larch software were pure bash and I regretted it nearly all of the time. In my view bash has nothing to do with the much misused term 'KISS'. Actually the same goes for ncurses. My calendar says 2010, and if you have a live CD with a graphical interface then why be a masochist and try to write some grotty looking, difficult to program interface with ncurses (unless you are a geeky masochist looking for an intellectual challenge)? Yes, I've tried that, too, and I'm not going to do it again. OK, rant over. There may of course be valid reasons for wanting only bash/ncurses, but in my view they are outweighed by the arguments against.

Mr Green · 2010-02-13 11:23:40

Its still early days for Archbang, would there be any mileage in using Crunchbang installer?

MAroco · 2010-02-13 11:57:23

Me no professional but since CrunchBang is based on ubuntu I would guess that won't work to well on arch. Can't imagine apt-get and pacman living together in one system

Mr Green · 2010-02-13 12:09:11

It would have to changed to work with arch....not impossible

MAroco · 2010-02-13 12:16:23

Ok probably not *impossible* but Archiso and larch already have working installers based on arch (OK larch-installer seems to be in a rewrite-process if I understand the homegage right). Guess it would be easier to adopt them to the ArchBankg-needs than a prog form a "foreign" distribution.
But me no coder so I better not lean out the window to far

sHyLoCk · 2010-02-13 12:17:07

gradgrind

No, I'm sadly not a geeky masochist. [unlike most Archers here -__- ] It's just a collective decision taken by people in this thread and Will. We are familiar with the simple Arch setup process and we want to keep it that way for the installer. We are not trying to create an Ubuntu version of Arch.
Anyway, I'm happy to say that installer is almost ready, tested and it works. We still have a lot to do and we have very less time these days! Our sincere thanks to Calimero, seems like he did exactly what I was trying to do in the first place. I'll still need to modify it a lot. We will be presenting the installer in AB2.0, but we want to clean up and make a better release of the Live CD [1.05] taking all the good suggestions and feedbacks into consideration [and hopefully fixing lilsirecho's usb issue lol!] so that we have a definitive target about what apps to include and what changes to make before progressing further with a full-blown installable Live CD distro.

Calimero · 2010-02-13 12:32:56

sHyLoCk wrote:

Calimero
We are not using lzma.

Neither do I.

sHyLoCk wrote:

We were focusing on keeping a check on the size, hence including a bunch of video drivers didn't make any sense.

Do you mean you'll keep the vesa video driver only to save 4.8MiB on the size of your ISO ?? (I've tried, that's 4.8M.)
That seems much more important to me to support hardware 2D/3D acceleration on all gfx card than making your iso 5M smaller...

Anyway, that's the reason why you've got your livecd and I've got mine.

sHyLoCk wrote:

Version 2.0 onwards we are going to provide an installable LiveCD, that works ootb and the user can boot into a working system.

And don't worry, adding the video drivers won't complicate anything : xorg autodetects all !

sHyLoCk wrote:

Btw,good luck with your ctk and thanks for your generous offer to help us out. Much appreciated.

I'm for sharing ideas : we won't do the work twice !
About my installer, I have to warn you about one only bug : sometimes, grub-install freezes and I haven't got a clue why.
If you solve this, please tell me !

sHyLoCk · 2010-02-13 12:39:40

Point noted!

willxtreme · 2010-02-13 13:36:00

Calimero wrote:

About my installer, I have to warn you about one only bug : sometimes, grub-install freezes and I haven't got a clue why.
If you solve this, please tell me !

About the grub part, I had to manually copy menu.lst in mnt/install/boot/grub

Mr Green · 2010-02-13 13:58:27

I want to test stuff!!!!

timttmy · 2010-02-13 15:47:46

Nice work guys!
I've been running it on my eee 701. I had to remove the nvidia driver and install the intel one to get an X session (like you said in the thread). The only thing I installed on top of your base pkgs was a proper battery monitor. I've corrupted my file system too many times by not plugging in a charger and letting my machine die. I installed vattery the one and only AUR pkg I maintain, it's small (43kb installed) and can be configured to run whatever commands you like at X% and Y% (I run a warning at 15% and shutdown -h -t secs 2 at 5%). Conky battery is nice, but it won't protect my data.

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lilsirecho · 2010-02-14 16:20:58

The performance of ArchBang with regard to USB audio remains a problem for me in both ArchBang and Ctk.

The two systems operate very similarly even to the use of a flash drive script to set up Raid, install a pacman package, and start wicd with staticIP info.

Ctk provides differing backgrounds with reboots.

Haven't deciphered how to save changes yet since my french is not buku.

Was able to post from Ctk with some difficulty in selecting the right keys on the keybd!

I find that some boots are extremely long with the fastest being about 25-30 seconds (Ctk measured from when it leaves the prompt display).

ArchBang takes about 70 secs which is to be expected since it is a larger .iso.

Both systems respond in their applications quickly.

As to the USB audio, the alsa system uses a "guess" system for determining the setup and in my experience, the "guess" is most likely wrong!

Please don't hold up 105 with that situation in mind. I can live without the feature I "guess"..........

Keeping "Banging away" man......................

smradlev · 2010-02-14 18:28:46

Can you replace packer with bauerbill? packer doesn't support (yet?) the provides field in the PKGBUILD's, and so it is useless if I want to install e.g. haskell related packages from AUR. Xyne's bauerbill has no problem with that and is extremely flexible ...

grobister · 2010-02-15 14:23:16

Nice work all!

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