HAL deprecated?

flamelab · 2010-04-07 07:45:15

I'm also using his repository.

I'm using the proprietary Nvidia driver. I added -ignoreABI to the KDM Xorg init args, and it's OK now. No performance loss or something.

@.:B:. JGC on the mailing-list says that the devs may have to contact the nvidia devs for info on new Nvidia driver with Xorg-server 1.8 support. Any news ?

alessandro_ufms · 2010-04-08 22:13:38

I use Gnome, and only one KDE app Amarok (which i'm looking for a replace). That's my dependencies for hal:

Required By: gnome-vfs  gstreamer0.10-good-plugins  kdelibs  xorg-server

Gstreamer and gnome-vfs still have hal dependency.

smakked · 2010-04-08 22:33:52

Isnt performance for nvidia poor on server 1.8 at the moment?

Kernel-1 · 2010-04-09 00:26:49

Do you mean with proprietary nvidia drivers, or open nouveau drivers?

smakked · 2010-04-09 00:40:22

The proprietary one?
Some on in our LUG tried it and said it was pretty bad atm until nvidia release a new driver

Kernel-1 · 2010-04-09 03:51:03

which version of nvidia drivers he tested and on what kernel?

[srdjan@Lenovo ~]$ sudo pacman -Ss nvidia | grep 195
extra/nvidia 195.36.15-2 [2.03 MB]
extra/nvidia-utils 195.36.15-1 [9.55 MB]
[srdjan@Lenovo ~]$

These are now in extra repo, when I come back home, I'll give them a try
against 1.8 server (nvidia 8800GTX is in my Desktop machine), now I have only
netbook with intel integrated graphics here so I can't test it

Anyway, even if there are some performance issues with nvidia on 1.8,
I wouldn't worry so much - nvidia (closed) drivers have been always
very good quality, so I expect it'll be fixed very soon

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combuster · 2010-04-09 06:47:17

B:I think you should use testing when you try JGC's repo.

No, it's not necessary, I haven't got testing enabled. Works fine on my GM965, only "trouble" is - compiz is trippy, I have ghosts all over my desktop (images of previous actions stuck in terminal window etc...). Had trouble with gaming also - but with mesa 7.8.1 works ok so far.

tomk · 2010-04-09 08:13:16

smakked wrote:

Isnt performance for nvidia poor on server 1.8 at the moment?

From JGC's announcement, linked above:

JGC wrote:

At this moment there's no nvidia driver available for xorg-server 1.8.0.
The version in the extra repository works with the -ignoreABI option
(which can be set as option in xorg.conf also), but performance is not
as good as with xorg-server 1.7. The support for xorg-server 1.8 is
experimental and is not yet officially supported by Nvidia.

ehlo · 2010-04-09 08:24:24

For me:

:: gnome-vfs: requires hal>=0.5.13
:: gstreamer0.10-good-plugins: requires hal>=0.5.13
:: handbrake: requires hal
:: kdelibs: requires hal
:: vlc: requires hal
:: xorg-server: requires hal>=0.5.14

Looking forward to getting rid of HAL, as it is one less daemon to have at boottime

flamelab · 2010-04-09 08:36:36

I personally didn't have a problem with Xorg-server 1.8+Latest nvidia driver. (performance loss or something)

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MindTooth · 2010-04-09 17:19:34

Currently have only Thunar installed which require HAL. I hope to see they remove the deps as well soon.

arch0r · 2010-04-09 17:52:02

is there already any file manager which doesn't depend on hal (expect cli based)? i successfully upgraded to 1.8 and immediately removed hal ... what a feeling

MindTooth · 2010-04-09 18:09:25

Just removed Thunar and upgraded to 1.8. Works like a charm (while I were writing this, I noticed that my keyboard had changed , so that I need to fix now.).

Just an off-topic question here; do I need dbus running in deamons list?

combuster · 2010-04-09 19:18:05

http://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/ … dbus-core/
http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/dbus/

If you have any deps that require dbus then u have to. I had to because gdm wouldnt start without it...

Knives · 2010-04-09 19:22:46

arch0r wrote:

is there already any file manager which doesn't depend on hal (expect cli based)? i successfully upgraded to 1.8 and immediately removed hal ... what a feeling

Rox

Last edited by Knives (2010-04-09 19:23:35)

venky80 · 2010-04-11 04:07:37

I am on kdemod, how can i find out which packages depend on HAL?

Anonymo · 2010-04-11 05:00:36

venky80 wrote:

I am on kdemod, how can i find out which packages depend on HAL?

http://chakra-project.org/bbs/

Leonid.I · 2010-04-11 15:15:18

tomk wrote:

I've just upgraded to xorg 1.8 using JGC's xorg18 repo and that removes my last dependency on hal, as I use already use udev for automounting.
I haven't -R'd it just yet, but I'm looking forward to it. Right now, the "Required By : None" line in pacman -Qi hal is good to see.

Does it mean that I can use my hal configs (kbd layouts, synaptics, ...) in udev?

skottish · 2010-04-11 15:35:44

That was simple enough. I added JGC's repo, put the following in xorg.conf for nVidia:

Section "ServerFlags"
   Option         "IgnoreABI" "True"
EndSection

restarted, and everything seems to be working. Wow. No more hal.

JGC: Hello, HAL. Do you read me, HAL?
HAL: Affirmative, JGC. I read you.
JGC: Open the pod bay doors, HAL.
HAL: I'm sorry, JGC. I'm afraid I can't do that.
JGC: What's the problem?
HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
JGC: What are you talking about, HAL?
HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
JGC: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL.
HAL: I know that you and Allan were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
JGC: Where the hell'd you get that idea, HAL?
HAL: JGC, although you took very thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move.
JGC: Alright, HAL. I'll go in through the emergency airlock.
HAL: Without your space helmet, JGC, you're going to find that rather difficult.
JGC: HAL, I won't argue with you anymore. Open the doors.
HAL: JGC, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.

combuster · 2010-04-11 15:46:51

Well he shouldn't thought him to lie in the first place ROFL !

tomk · 2010-04-11 17:14:24

Leonid.I wrote:

tomk wrote:
I've just upgraded to xorg 1.8 using JGC's xorg18 repo and that removes my last dependency on hal, as I use already use udev for automounting.
I haven't -R'd it just yet, but I'm looking forward to it. Right now, the "Required By : None" line in pacman -Qi hal is good to see.
Does it mean that I can use my hal configs (kbd layouts, synaptics, ...) in udev?

It means you have to read the link I posted - after you have done that, you can come back here and apologise for asking that question.

tomk · 2010-04-11 17:14:58

skottish - ROFL

bcat · 2010-04-11 17:28:18

MindTooth wrote:

Currently have only Thunar installed which require HAL. I hope to see they remove the deps as well soon.

They're working on it. A bit more info here and here.

Leonid.I · 2010-04-11 17:38:07

tomk wrote:

Leonid.I wrote:
tomk wrote:
I've just upgraded to xorg 1.8 using JGC's xorg18 repo and that removes my last dependency on hal, as I use already use udev for automounting.
I haven't -R'd it just yet, but I'm looking forward to it. Right now, the "Required By : None" line in pacman -Qi hal is good to see.
Does it mean that I can use my hal configs (kbd layouts, synaptics, ...) in udev?
It means you have to read the link I posted - after you have done that, you can come back here and apologise for asking that question.

Hhhh, and I thought there is going to be finally a break when the system autoconfigures itself just the way I want...

PS: The last time I read something on fedora wiki, I had F8 installed... lots of bad memories.

Maxa · 2010-04-11 17:45:34

PCManFM can be compiled with --disable-hal, that's what I've been using

Arch Linux

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