Ion3 dead?

evol · 2010-03-31 12:46:05

Cheers for mentioning i3 - have just been trying it out for the last few hours - I really really like it.

freigeist · 2010-03-31 19:15:58

Indeed, i3 is a nice replacement for ion3. Just changed the colors to my self made ion color theme and I instantly feel very familiar. Fullscreen and tiling (tabbed and focus floating) is working as expected. Changing the border of frames to just 1px without a title is a nice feature. I'm actually missing only one thing, a way to display the current workspace to dzen2. i3-wsbar is not working for me (displays nothing) when using

 i3-wsbar -c "dzen -dock -fn "-xos4-terminus-medium-r-normal-*-*-80-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1" -x %x"

Anyone got this working?

gazj · 2010-03-31 20:17:28

Maybe you can do something with this

gary@Lister ~ $ i3-msg -t get_workspaces
[{"num":1,"name":"1","visible":true,"focused":true,"rect":{"x":0,"y":0,"width":1280,"height":1024},"output":"xinerama-0","urgent":false},{"num":2,"name":"2","visible":true,"focused":false,"rect":{"x":1280,"y":128,"width":1024,"height":768},"output":"xinerama-1","urgent":false},{"num":3,"name":"3","visible":false,"focused":false,"rect":{"x":0,"y":0,"width":1280,"height":1024},"output":"xinerama-0","urgent":false},{"num":4,"name":"4","visible":false,"focused":false,"rect":{"x":0,"y":0,"width":1280,"height":1024},"output":"xinerama-0","urgent":false}]

And yes i3 is quite somthing isn't it

Last edited by gazj (2010-03-31 20:18:24)

JohannesSM64 · 2010-03-31 21:31:26

i3 indeed seems nice, but my terminal (urxvt with tmux) constantly borks when moving and resizing rows/columns.
Also, the mouse icon is weird. It ignores my icon setting in Xdefaults, and it turns into a cross when a right click menu is open.
Also, the resize mode found in the user's guide only works for resizing to the left.
These were the issues I found within 15 minutes.
edit: I asked on the IRC channel and it seems the keyboard resizing isn't buggy, it just didn't work as I intially expected.

Last edited by JohannesSM64 (2010-03-31 23:20:39)

gazj · 2010-03-31 22:37:19

Resizing with keybindings is a new feature in this release, and your right it seems to be plagued with problems, I have just spent half hour of frustration. I very rarely resize windows. and if I do I can use the mouse for now.

litemotiv · 2010-04-01 08:17:42

Army wrote:

gazj wrote:
Everyone must think I spam this everywhere, but seriously have a look at the i3 window manager. It is extremly good.
+1 for this!
Yesterday i3 moved into community, so you can give it a try without any hassle. I use this WM as tabbed WM, which can be achieved by adding
new_container tabbed
to the ~/.i3/config

and another +1

i switched to i3 right after tuomov abandoned ion3, haven't regretted the change since and use it fulltime on my only/production machine. nice to see it's gaining momentum!

Maximalminimalist · 2010-04-03 15:08:04

I can't get used to i3...
I loved ion3 so much.

How can I get easily the same thing in i3 as in ion3:

Having time, date and battery life at the bottom. (There is a lot of space wasted now below... )
Being able to resize frames/containers with MOD + rightclick (I think I will have to wait for this one for a while...)

It would be nice to have a guide to help ion3 people to get in i3 what they had before.
I've got the impression that I should play some first-person shooter again so I'm able to resize the windows in a reasonable time...

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litemotiv · 2010-04-03 15:14:46

Maximalminimalist wrote:

How can I get easily the same thing in i3 as in ion3:
Having time, date and battery life at the bottom. (There is a lot of space wasted now below... )
Being able to resize frames/containers with MOD + rightclick (I think I will have to wait for this one for a while...)

status bar: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=94394

resize: just click a border and drag, or see this for keyboard bindings

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Maximalminimalist · 2010-04-03 15:36:46

The problem about it is that I can't get out of the resize mode...
(Or I just don't know.)
The only solution => kill X-server

When I do i3status -c 'configfile' I think I get the information that is supposed to be in the statusbar in the terminal.

(I think I shouldn't go on with this in this thread.)

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litemotiv · 2010-04-03 15:42:45

Maximalminimalist wrote:

The problem about it is that I can't get out of the resize mode...
(Or I just don't know.)
The only solution => kill X-server
When I do i3status -c 'configfile' I think I get the information that is supposed to be in the statusbar in the terminal.

for i3status (or conky-cli) you need a statusbar app like dzen2, i3 doesn't have a built-in statusbar like ion3 has. if you install dzen2, you can pipe the text you want like this:

i3status | dzen2

the resize problem i don't know, you could try the keybindings or ask on irc (irc://irc.twice-irc.de/i3)

Maximalminimalist · 2010-04-03 16:07:47

I could put the statusbar as I want. Thanks for your help.

I hope I can solve this resize problem soon. In ion3 the ability to resize with MOD + rightclick was something I was using all the time.

ion3 was more all-in-one. In i3 you have to put the stuff from outside in. (this can have advantages and disadvantages)

After a while I admit that i3 isn't that bad. There are things that are better than ion3.

I think I posted slightly too fast and I didn't searched enough myself. (sorry for that)
I've seen the links you've posted before already but couldn't really do something with them. I think I'm not the only one that is changing from ion3 to i3 but I guess most of them are more advanced users than me.

litemotiv · 2010-04-03 16:20:33

just hop on the irc channel if you have questions, the people are friendly there

and you're right that ion3 definitely is a nice and complete windowmanager, it has it's quirks but generally works very well. i3 is much younger so it will need some time to fully mature, it will always stay a bit more minimal than ion3 though i expect.

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gazj · 2010-04-03 17:04:12

press enter to leave resize mode

its defined in the resize part of the config, i also add escape to mine.

mode "resize" {
        # These bindings trigger as soon as you enter the resize mode

        # They resize the border in the direction you pressed, e.g.
        # when pressing left, the window is resized so that it has
        # more space on its left

        bindsym h resize left -10
        bindsym Shift+h resize left +10

        bindsym j resize bottom +10
        bindsym Shift+j resize bottom -10

        bindsym k resize top -10
        bindsym Shift+k resize top +10

        bindsym l resize right +10
        bindsym Shift+l resize right -10

        bindsym Return mode default
    bindsym Escape mode default
}

note the "mode default" lines

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pootzko · 2010-04-03 18:21:10

what's the latest ion3 release that could potentialy be forked into something new?

freigeist · 2010-04-03 18:43:41

pootzko wrote:

what's the latest ion3 release that could potentialy be forked into something new?

The latest official release was 20090110, you can still get it here: http://dbg.download.sourcemage.org/mirr … 110.tar.gz

The latest developer snapshot from darcs was posted here: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php? … 69#p733769

Let me know if you want to get into it, maybe I can help. I3 is not bad, but I still strongly prefer ion. I'm not sure about the licensing, but afaik the author changed the license to LGPL just before he stopped maintaining it....

Maximalminimalist · 2010-04-03 20:47:26

@gazj Thanks

I usually look this kind of stuff up but it's the first time for me I 'have' to leave something so I have less ambitions to learn about i3...
But I think when I will get used to the mechanism of how the container work when moving them around I will like it really.
I already really start to like i3 and I don't know if I would change back after I got used to...
Ion3 war just more intuitive for me. I tried a lot of tiled window managers a bit when I was trying around all desktop environments and window managers and I settled down on ion3.

litemotiv · 2010-04-04 01:07:55

freigeist wrote:

 i3-wsbar -c "dzen -dock -fn "-xos4-terminus-medium-r-normal-*-*-80-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1" -x %x"

Anyone got this working?

didnt see this until now, i bet the %x is the problem (should be a number)

skottish · 2010-04-04 04:43:32

How did a "Ion3 dead?" thread turn into a i3 help-desk thread?

jasonwryan · 2010-04-04 04:46:47

skottish wrote:

How did a "Ion3 dead?" thread turn into a i3 help-desk thread?

Um, moderation - or lack thereof...

skottish · 2010-04-04 04:54:24

jasonwryan wrote:

skottish wrote:
How did a "Ion3 dead?" thread turn into a i3 help-desk thread?
Um, moderation - or lack thereof...
<ducks />

Ducks? I like ducks. They're all over the place here in Oregon. I'm fairly clueless on what they're called, but they're really fun to watch. I mean, besides the fact that they're beautiful, it blows me away that a 9 kg bird sits on water as gracefully as a leaf. That's just too much to really consider.

gazj · 2010-04-04 07:30:42

How did Ion3 turn i3 help desk turn into a duck thread?

Maximalminimalist · 2010-04-04 08:14:16

Come on...

If ion3 is dead people need a similar substitute so there should be somewhere something like: "Ion 3 dead => how can I make i3 be like ion3?"

litemotiv · 2010-04-04 08:19:14

i don't trust ducks

JonathanArcher · 2010-04-04 08:27:27

I don't think that's a duck, the picture clearly says it's a dork.

sergej · 2010-04-05 16:25:53

Does anybody have ion3-scripts _full and fresh_ darcs repository copy? Please share it.

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