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#51 2010-04-28 16:33:53

falconindy
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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

Sure, and my current auto mounting solution is udev rule based, but I don't feel its flexible enough. Perhaps I need to revisit the man page and tweak my rules some more...

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#52 2010-04-28 21:20:18

d_logan
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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

I've been searching but can't find the answer.  I've put the [xorg] at the top of my pacman.conf, I've synced and cleaned the database, etc.  If I do pacman -S xorg, it wants to still install xorg 1.7.

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#53 2010-04-28 21:22:37

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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

d_logan wrote:

I've been searching but can't find the answer.  I've put the [xorg] at the top of my pacman.conf, I've synced and cleaned the database, etc.  If I do pacman -S xorg, it wants to still install xorg 1.7.

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#54 2010-04-29 01:32:43

borrell
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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

My upgrade went smoothly, although I did have to reinstall/compile xf86-video-intel-git for X to start with the new version.

Woooo, can finally remove hal!

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#55 2010-04-29 02:53:07

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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

i must add, over all the issues im having, sometimes ffox forgets to update its pages, and scrolling steps over old info :S

does anyone know how to disable sync to vblank?

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#56 2010-04-29 02:56:28

maxi_jac
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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

eldragon wrote:

- CTRL-SHIFT-N on gnome-terminal drops a new terminal with the old terminal's information in it

Same here with a radeon and with KDE's konsole.
Problem goes away if I disable compositing.

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#57 2010-04-29 11:23:33

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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

for anyone interested in following my issues (suffers from them): https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27420

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#58 2010-04-29 13:40:30

alexandrite
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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

geniuz wrote:
alexandrite wrote:

It's a pain to configure, it's slowing becoming unmaintained, and worst of all, udev could already do almost everything hal could, which makes it largely unnessecary to have on your system in the first place.

So that means writing udev rules is the only possibility of getting stuff like auto-mounting done without HAL? That is if HAL becomes deprecated anytime soon...

I guess it's all up to personal preference. The way I understand it, people can still use HAL with 1.8 if they want to.

Still, I never had much problem with udev rules, but for the case of automounting, there are alternatives like udisks.

As for input hotplugging and stuff, it's configured directly through xorg in 1.8.

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#59 2010-04-29 14:11:57

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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

alexandrite wrote:

The way I understand it, people can still use HAL with 1.8 if they want to.

Well yeah - as long as "use hal with 1.8" means using hal for things that have nothing to do with xorg. Hal will eventually disappear altogether, so it's a good idea to look at the alternatives now.

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#60 2010-04-29 15:37:48

geniuz
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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

tomk wrote:
alexandrite wrote:

The way I understand it, people can still use HAL with 1.8 if they want to.

Well yeah - as long as "use hal with 1.8" means using hal for things that have nothing to do with xorg. Hal will eventually disappear altogether, so it's a good idea to look at the alternatives now.

Yea of course, it would be a different story if HAL would still be maintained...nobody wants to use obsolete packages, at least I don't.
I've written udev-rules in the past by the way so it's just a matter of recapping the procedure and maybe write a few homemade bash scripts to mount devices by UUID/label. In the end I'll end up with the same only without HAL.

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#61 2010-04-29 16:17:14

Allan
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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

Anyone know how to remove the nvidia splash screen with xorg-1.8?  The old way no longer works.

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#62 2010-04-29 16:18:27

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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

Allan wrote:

Anyone know how to remove the nvidia splash screen with xorg-1.8?  The old way no longer works.

Splash screen ?!

I haven't got any, so if this helps you:

Section "Device"
    Identifier     "Device0"
    Driver         "nvidia"
    VendorName     "NVIDIA Corporation"
    Option "RandRRotation" "true"
    Option "NoLogo"        "true"
    Option "Coolbits"      "1"
    Option "TripleBuffer"  "True"
   # Option "DamageEvents"  "True"
   # Option  "UseEvents"    "True"
   # Option "BackingStore" "True"
    Option "DPMS" "True"
    Option "RegistryDwords" "PerfLevelSrc=0x3333"
EndSection

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#63 2010-04-29 16:32:53

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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

Upgraded to 1.8 no probs on my desktop, but it's a fairly simple machine with an Nvidia 8800GT.  GStreamer and Thunar still need HAL so I'm not rid of it just yet.


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#64 2010-04-29 16:46:49

Allan
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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

flamelab wrote:
Allan wrote:

Anyone know how to remove the nvidia splash screen with xorg-1.8?  The old way no longer works.

Splash screen ?!

I haven't got any, so if this helps you:

...
    Option "NoLogo"        "true"
...

I have that too.  It was working yesterday, but the logo started appearing today.  I guess both nvidia and nvidia-utils were updates since then...

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#65 2010-04-29 16:54:17

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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

try adding in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf that option


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#66 2010-04-29 18:29:30

Pierre
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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

I have no xorg.conf and didn't see a nvidia logo for a long time. Do you use some of the legacy drivers?

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#67 2010-04-29 22:12:31

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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

Will nvidia-173xx support the new 1.8 xorg?


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#68 2010-04-29 22:48:12

Gusar
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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

firewalker wrote:

Will nvidia-173xx support the new 1.8 xorg?

You should ask nvidia folks. They post regularly here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14
My guess is, yes it will, but it might take a while. They've just released a driver for 1.8 for the newest cards, the legacy branches usually lag behind.

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#69 2010-04-30 11:01:53

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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

I think this no nvidia driver does more harm then good. Everytime I start up the X server 20-40 seconds in the mouse stops registering mouse clicks. I either have to restart x or unplug/plug the mouse backend. In addition, suspend seems to be majorly acting up now. :-/


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#70 2010-04-30 13:05:14

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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

This is my entire xorg.conf file. I've been using this for a long time. I have no splash screen, everything works as expected, and performance is the same as with previous drivers:

Section "ServerLayout"
   Identifier     "Layout0"
   Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
   Option         "Xinerama" "0"
EndSection

Section "Files"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
   Identifier     "Monitor0"
   VendorName     "Acer"
   ModelName      "Acer X213H"
   HorizSync       31.0 - 83.0
   VertRefresh     56.0 - 76.0
   Option         "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Device"
   Identifier     "Device0"
   Driver         "nvidia"
   VendorName     "NVIDIA Corporation"
   BoardName      "GeForce 9600 GT"
   Option         "NoLogo"   "True"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
   Identifier     "Screen0"
   Device         "Device0"
   Monitor        "Monitor0"
   DefaultDepth    24
   Option         "TwinView" "1"
   Option         "metamodes" "DFP-0: nvidia-auto-select +0+0, DFP-1: nvidia-auto-select +1920+0"
   SubSection     "Display"
       Depth       24
   EndSubSection
EndSection

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#71 2010-05-01 17:12:08

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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

I did a clean arch install with a new laptop one week ago. I directly start to use xorg 1.8 with last generation intel graphic card (integrated in arrandale cpu).

Well it was a biiiig mistake...
I did not realize at first, because I wasn't using it, but xrandr wasn't working at all, but only triggering X restart (without changing any settings, and as far as I am aware without printing anything to logs).
No big deal, except before today. I try using my HDMI port with a 1920x1080 HDTV. Haha. Again, big mistake.
So no xrandr, I had to restart the computer to detect the TV. After a reboot, laptop screen and TV stuck with clone mode and 1024x768 resolution. Very bad resolution and aspect ratio. But anyway, impossible to change these settings.
I decided to stop messing with the HDMI. Too late...
The laptop screen was stuck with 1024x768 resolution (native resolution is 1366x768) and IMPOSSIBLE to change that. I tried so many things during 4 hours, even recompiling some xorg packages and video driver with git version.

I finally downgrade xorg and video driver to xorg 1.7, and voila ! A little "xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1366x768" and I found back my native resolution. I also found out that I previously had a big problem with KMS, causing "resolution flash" before and after Slim startup (or gdm, tried both). Getting back to xorg 1.7 solved that too.

I don't know if a lot of people have these new intel gpu, but for the time being, they REALLY suck. And with xorg 1.8 it is worst.
I tried some distro (old and new ubuntu, fedora, ...), with every possible combinations of xorg/mesa/dri/intel driver, and I always encounter big bad graphics problems, glitchs, lockups, screen corruptions...

I am gonna report that upstream but first : I do not know where to start, and second, I already dedicated my afternoon to solve this fraking problem, I am tired...


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#72 2010-05-01 17:13:46

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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

eldragon wrote:

for anyone interested in following my issues (suffers from them): https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27420

Did you tried using "indirect rendering" ? That option (mostly) solve the corruption problem for me.


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#73 2010-05-01 17:30:55

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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

I gave it a try.  The install went smoothly, and I really like the new directory based structure of the xorg config.

I use AMD64, Intel G45 and KDE4.  I am also planning on using the system to control the scoring system / score boards at a Gymnastics meet in two weeks.

In that this system must behave for that meet, Xorg 1.8 is just a bridge too far.

I experienced 3 lockups of Xorg in which everything except the mouse and cursor froze. I was able to ssh into the box and was able to shutdown X11 and reboot.  The lack of hal created problems with automount (of course), all things acpi under kde, and complete lack of recognition of anything on the USB buses that were not storage.

No doubt there are work arounds for all of these, and perhaps I should not depend on KDE for what really should be ACPI functions, but dang they integrate nicely with the KDE environment.  Maybe I am just getting lazy...

Never-the-less, the need to stabilize this system has driven me back to 1.7 -- at least for now.


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#74 2010-05-01 19:53:33

tomk
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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that you have to remove hal to use xorg 1.8.

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#75 2010-05-01 20:13:02

combuster
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Re: Upgraded to Xorg1.8

Hal could be still active for other programs that requires it, it doesn't interfere with the fact that xserver 1.8 uses udev. Hal is still required for virtualbox and usb support in it afaik ie so u can start hal before starting vbox if you want to...

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