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#1 2008-05-18 19:18:56

jinn
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From: Gothenburg
Registered: 2005-12-10
Posts: 506

new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

I was thinking.. I was kind of tired of always when reinstalling arch on my laptop or new computer that I have to configure it, choose packages etc etc..

If in installation, one could choose premade configuration of what to packages to install, what configurations that should be done, what modifications and etc. Then doing the basic config yourself and let the rest be done automatically. This was All installation of packages and settings being done automatically and when done it should have a ie a fully working gnome desktop with a specific theme and specific software installed..

This would be great.. Then arch users could upload that config file and others could use it to have same installation as that user..

The main idea is to save that time.. so that i can go away and when i am back i have a working gnome desktop with firefox and its addons, my specific theme settings and desktop keyboard shortcuts.. setting alsa, removing some unneccessary modules etc..

Just to make it clear here is an example..

Installation Config examples:
1. Gnome desktop with some specific theme and gdm login manager, open office + bunch of other apps... (all configs made to have this working, like setting gdm into rc.conf etc etc..)

2. Kde Desktop with firefox... bla bla bla..

This is just an idea ontop of my head..  and i just need your opinions of what you think, if its good idea, possible or whatever.. I know it sound little difficult but I dont think its impossible and this would give arch more unique feature.


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#2 2008-05-18 19:46:24

pyther
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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

I do not think your idea is bad, however I do not think many archers would use such a tool.

I personally like knowing what is on my system, knowing what changes I make, etc....

I personally almost never reinstall arch and I think the same can be said for many other users.


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#3 2008-05-18 19:47:21

moljac024
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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

Why not just make some packages consisting of configuration files for the look and feel ? You can upload it to AUR.

As for pre-made groups, don't know how KISS that is wink


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#4 2008-05-18 19:48:38

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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

I would be satisfied with a way to currently export all of the pacman packages I have installed, and then, when I am installing a new system somewhere, to import that list, and then pacman will install all those packages automatically..
I guess I can so it.. probably a simple script if I wasnt so lazy.. wink

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#5 2008-05-18 20:14:13

LTSmash
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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

Why don't we make an Ubuntu Like/Arch Based distro for new users?

xD


Proud Ex-Arch user.
Still an ArchLinux lover though.

Currently on Kubuntu 9.10

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#6 2008-05-18 20:41:08

pyther
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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

^^
Go for it, but just make sure you completely rebrand it so it has nothing to do with this community!


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#7 2008-05-18 21:21:15

SpookyET
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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

Just dump the drive onto an external. Boot a CD into another computer. Dump the external onto that computer. You'll have another installation.

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#8 2008-05-18 21:25:13

Statix
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From: Hangzhou, China
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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

LTSmash wrote:

Why don't we make an Ubuntu Like/Arch Based distro for new users?

xD

I've always wanted to do that with Openbox.

The idea of a full featured easy to use openbox setup is new as far as I know.


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#9 2008-05-18 21:54:19

jcasper
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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

I think something like this would be very helpful for anyone wanting to use Arch on a cluster to automate the installation and setup of all the boxes. 

In the bit of work I've done managing clusters I have used both CentOS and their kickstart system and Solaris/Jumpstart (both for reasons other than preference), and both kickstart and jumpstart were invaluable tools.  Sure you could build a model image and copy images around and stuff, but kickstart ended up being much easier.  As an extra bonus, the kickstart scripts served as simple documentation for how the various nodes and servers were setup and configured.   We could give sudo to people we trusted to not snoop, but not to not screw things up, because if they screwed something up, it was just a matter of rebooting the system (with the right grub selection) to reimage it.

Wether or not Arch would be a good choice for a cluster is a different discussion, but if someone wanted to do so, this would be a good feature to have (although it wouldn't be unique to Arch).  If people want to use it to provide pre-configured systems to noobs, so be it.

Last edited by jcasper (2008-05-18 21:56:37)

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#10 2008-05-18 22:06:33

ralvez
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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

For what it's worth, I have done such a tool for myself and have been using it for a few years now. It is a simple script that automatically installs the packages I need depending on the type of installation I want to do.
Here is the script for those that may be interested:

#!/bin/bash
# A script to automate installation of programs in a new set up of ArchLinux
# by: R. Alvez
#
# ======================================================================== #

user=$UID

 if [ $user != 0 ] 
  then
  echo "Sorry. Only the ROOT user can run this program !"
  exit
 else
  echo "###############( Updating Programs )###############"
  echo
  echo "Start: " 
  date
 fi

# Basic programs

function baseprogs(){

echo "==============( Basic Programs )================="
echo

  for PROGRAM in xorg xorg-apps kde firestarter
  do 
   echo +=========================+
   echo "PROGRAM: $PROGRAM"
   echo +=========================+
   echo
   pacman -Sy --noconfirm $PROGRAM 
   echo -e \\n\\n
  done
}

# Productivity tools

function productivity(){

echo "==============( Productivity Tools )================="
echo

  for PROGRAM in htop screen hwd openssh ntp host mc yakuake
  do 
   echo +=========================+
   echo "PROGRAM: $PROGRAM"
   echo +=========================+
   echo
   pacman -Sy --noconfirm $PROGRAM 
   echo -e \\n\\n
  done
}

# Web Development

function webdev(){

echo "==============( Web Development Programs )================="
echo

  for PROGRAM in bluefish cssed kdewebdev gvim eric4 apache mod_python php mysql mysql-python python-ldap mysql-gui-tools
  do 
   echo +=========================+
   echo "PROGRAM: $PROGRAM"
   echo +=========================+
   echo
   pacman -Sy --noconfirm $PROGRAM 
   echo -e \\n\\n
  done
}

# Multimedia

function multimedia(){

echo "==============( Multimedia Programs )================="
echo

  for PROGRAM in xine-lib xine-ui amarok-engine-xine alsa-lib alsa-oss alsa-utils alsaplayer gstreamer0.10-alsa alsa-plugins mplayer mplayer-plugin amarok-base amarok-engine-xine gstreamer0.10
  do 
   echo +=========================+
   echo "PROGRAM: $PROGRAM"
   echo +=========================+
   echo
   pacman -Sy --noconfirm $PROGRAM 
   echo -e \\n\\n
  done
}

# Office productivity programs

function office(){

echo "==============( Office Programs )================="
echo

  for PROGRAM in jre openoffice-base openoffice-spell-en openoffice-es
  do 
   echo +=========================+
   echo "PROGRAM: $PROGRAM"
   echo +=========================+
   echo
   pacman -Sy --noconfirm $PROGRAM 
   echo -e \\n\\n
  done
}


# Tools for running/using CDs and DVDs

function cd_dvd_tools(){

echo "==============( CD-DVD Tools )================="
echo

  for PROGRAM in libdvdcss dvd+rw-tools libdvdread k3b
  do 
   echo +=========================+
   echo "PROGRAM: $PROGRAM"
   echo +=========================+
   echo
   pacman -Sy --noconfirm $PROGRAM 
   echo -e \\n\\n
  done
}

# Some of my favorite programs

function favorites(){

echo "==============( Favorite Programs )================="
echo

  for PROGRAM in conky kompose xbindkeys pidgin guifications purple-plugin-pack workrave gkrellm gkrellmlaunch gkrellweather tuxcards
  do 
   echo +=========================+
   echo "PROGRAM: $PROGRAM"
   echo +=========================+
   echo
   pacman -Sy --noconfirm $PROGRAM 
   echo -e \\n\\n
  done
}


# Special Drivers

function drivers(){

echo "==============( Program Drivers )================="
echo

  for PROGRAM in linux-uvc-svn xf86-video-intel
  do 
   echo +=========================+
   echo "PROGRAM: $PROGRAM"
   echo +=========================+
   echo
   pacman -Sy --noconfirm $PROGRAM 
   echo -e \\n\\n
  done
}


# MS-True Type fonts

function ttfonts(){

  echo +=========================+
  echo "Program: MS-TT Fonts"
  echo +=========================+
  echo
  pacman -Sy --noconfirm ttf-ms-fonts echo -e \\n\\n
}

# un-comment the productivity packages you want to install

baseprogs
productivity
cd_dvd_tools
multimedia
# office
favorites
# webdev
drivers
ttfonts

echo "All done!"

I hope it will be of benefit to some of you.

R.

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#11 2008-05-18 23:38:47

LTSmash
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From: Aguascalientes - Mexico
Registered: 2008-01-02
Posts: 348
Website

Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

ralvez wrote:

For what it's worth, I have done such a tool for myself and have been using it for a few years now. It is a simple script that automatically installs the packages I need depending on the type of installation I want to do.
Here is the script for those that may be interested:

#!/bin/bash
# A script to automate installation of programs in a new set up of ArchLinux
# by: R. Alvez
#
# ======================================================================== #

user=$UID

 if [ $user != 0 ] 
  then
  echo "Sorry. Only the ROOT user can run this program !"
  exit
 else
  echo "###############( Updating Programs )###############"
  echo
  echo "Start: " 
  date
 fi

# Basic programs

function baseprogs(){

echo "==============( Basic Programs )================="
echo

  for PROGRAM in xorg xorg-apps kde firestarter
  do 
   echo +=========================+
   echo "PROGRAM: $PROGRAM"
   echo +=========================+
   echo
   pacman -Sy --noconfirm $PROGRAM 
   echo -e \\n\\n
  done
}

# Productivity tools

function productivity(){

echo "==============( Productivity Tools )================="
echo

  for PROGRAM in htop screen hwd openssh ntp host mc yakuake
  do 
   echo +=========================+
   echo "PROGRAM: $PROGRAM"
   echo +=========================+
   echo
   pacman -Sy --noconfirm $PROGRAM 
   echo -e \\n\\n
  done
}

# Web Development

function webdev(){

echo "==============( Web Development Programs )================="
echo

  for PROGRAM in bluefish cssed kdewebdev gvim eric4 apache mod_python php mysql mysql-python python-ldap mysql-gui-tools
  do 
   echo +=========================+
   echo "PROGRAM: $PROGRAM"
   echo +=========================+
   echo
   pacman -Sy --noconfirm $PROGRAM 
   echo -e \\n\\n
  done
}

# Multimedia

function multimedia(){

echo "==============( Multimedia Programs )================="
echo

  for PROGRAM in xine-lib xine-ui amarok-engine-xine alsa-lib alsa-oss alsa-utils alsaplayer gstreamer0.10-alsa alsa-plugins mplayer mplayer-plugin amarok-base amarok-engine-xine gstreamer0.10
  do 
   echo +=========================+
   echo "PROGRAM: $PROGRAM"
   echo +=========================+
   echo
   pacman -Sy --noconfirm $PROGRAM 
   echo -e \\n\\n
  done
}

# Office productivity programs

function office(){

echo "==============( Office Programs )================="
echo

  for PROGRAM in jre openoffice-base openoffice-spell-en openoffice-es
  do 
   echo +=========================+
   echo "PROGRAM: $PROGRAM"
   echo +=========================+
   echo
   pacman -Sy --noconfirm $PROGRAM 
   echo -e \\n\\n
  done
}


# Tools for running/using CDs and DVDs

function cd_dvd_tools(){

echo "==============( CD-DVD Tools )================="
echo

  for PROGRAM in libdvdcss dvd+rw-tools libdvdread k3b
  do 
   echo +=========================+
   echo "PROGRAM: $PROGRAM"
   echo +=========================+
   echo
   pacman -Sy --noconfirm $PROGRAM 
   echo -e \\n\\n
  done
}

# Some of my favorite programs

function favorites(){

echo "==============( Favorite Programs )================="
echo

  for PROGRAM in conky kompose xbindkeys pidgin guifications purple-plugin-pack workrave gkrellm gkrellmlaunch gkrellweather tuxcards
  do 
   echo +=========================+
   echo "PROGRAM: $PROGRAM"
   echo +=========================+
   echo
   pacman -Sy --noconfirm $PROGRAM 
   echo -e \\n\\n
  done
}


# Special Drivers

function drivers(){

echo "==============( Program Drivers )================="
echo

  for PROGRAM in linux-uvc-svn xf86-video-intel
  do 
   echo +=========================+
   echo "PROGRAM: $PROGRAM"
   echo +=========================+
   echo
   pacman -Sy --noconfirm $PROGRAM 
   echo -e \\n\\n
  done
}


# MS-True Type fonts

function ttfonts(){

  echo +=========================+
  echo "Program: MS-TT Fonts"
  echo +=========================+
  echo
  pacman -Sy --noconfirm ttf-ms-fonts echo -e \\n\\n
}

# un-comment the productivity packages you want to install

baseprogs
productivity
cd_dvd_tools
multimedia
# office
favorites
# webdev
drivers
ttfonts

echo "All done!"

I hope it will be of benefit to some of you.

R.

Nice functions.

About making a pre-configured Arch system, that idea is nice but it goes apart from Arch philosofy, however it's still nice because it would still remain bleeding-edge and fast, let's just say that we would quit the KISS part of Arch and keep the other advantages (this would also help n00bs to adapt to an Arch envirnment so they could later use a normal Arch Install)...


Proud Ex-Arch user.
Still an ArchLinux lover though.

Currently on Kubuntu 9.10

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#12 2008-05-19 03:35:02

phrakture
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From: behind you
Registered: 2003-10-29
Posts: 7,879
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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

daf666 wrote:

I would be satisfied with a way to currently export all of the pacman packages I have installed, and then, when I am installing a new system somewhere, to import that list, and then pacman will install all those packages automatically..
I guess I can so it.. probably a simple script if I wasnt so lazy.. wink

See repacman on the pacman-dev ML - it might also be in the pacman-contrib AUR package

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#13 2008-05-19 04:00:08

Allan
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From: Brisbane, AU
Registered: 2007-06-09
Posts: 11,365
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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

phrakture wrote:

pacman-contrib AUR package

pacman-contrib is in community and although repacman is not in it yet.  Apparently it needs some updating but I haven't got around to it yet... It is on my TODO list (http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Use … an-contrib).  There is a link to what appears to be an updated version on that list but use at your own risk...

And I don't think that is the tool you are asking for... What about just taking the list from "pacman -Qq"?

Last edited by Allan (2008-05-19 04:04:04)

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#14 2008-05-19 05:16:02

B-Con
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From: USA
Registered: 2007-12-17
Posts: 554
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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

I had an *identical* thought myself a while ago.

In short, I'm not sure many people would use it. Personally, I keep a set of (pseudo-)scripts that re-installs and configures my system, so reinstalling isn't that much of an art.

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#15 2008-05-19 06:26:50

iphitus
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From: Melbourne, Australia
Registered: 2004-10-09
Posts: 4,927

Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

I'd use it, and it'd be trivial to make.

So run something like...

pacman -Qi > backup/packagelist
cp /etc/rc.conf /etc/network.d/ ........ backup/configs/
cp /home/$user/ backup/skel

to make it smarter, it could check through the package database and find all the packages with backup= lines, and then back those up...

and then have a script to do the reverse on the installer disc. Very cool!

Last edited by iphitus (2008-05-19 06:27:09)

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#16 2008-05-19 06:50:51

fukawi2
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From: .vic.au
Registered: 2007-09-28
Posts: 6,217
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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

daf666 wrote:

I would be satisfied with a way to currently export all of the pacman packages I have installed, and then, when I am installing a new system somewhere, to import that list, and then pacman will install all those packages automatically..

I can see the benefit in that (eg, new computer, second computer etc).. On the old computer:

pacman -Qq > ~/packages.list

Burn that file to CD, then mount the CD on the new computer:

#!/bin/bash
DEF_PKGLIST='/mnt/cdrom/packages.list'
PACMAN='/usr/bin/pacman'

echo ""
echo "Arch Linux System Package Copy or some other name for this script :P"
echo "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"

#
# Get filename for package list from user (or default)
#
read -p "List of packages to install [${DEF_PKGLIST}]: " PKGLIST
if [ -z $PKGLIST ] ; then
   PKGLIST=${DEF_PKGLIST}
fi
if [ ! -f $PKGLIST ] ; then
   echo "Package list (${PKGLIST} NOT FOUND"
   exit 1
fi

#
# Install each package in the package list
#
for PKG in $(cat ${PKGLIST}) ; do 
   echo -n "Installing $PKG "
   $PACMAN -Sy --noconfirm $PKG &> /dev/null
   if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then
      echo "OK"
   else
      echo "FAIL"
   fi
done

exit 0

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#17 2008-05-19 12:41:41

Atticus
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Registered: 2007-06-14
Posts: 52

Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

I've been working with larch (make Live Arch CD) and you can actually install Arch as you want it normally, set it up and configure all the programs you want, then create a liveCD using larch, and then you can install that system anytime you want from a LiveCD.  It's pretty cool.

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#18 2008-05-19 14:37:37

Pick2
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From: Illinois
Registered: 2006-05-16
Posts: 55

Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

Archbuntu  FTW !
tongue   lol

All your Arches belong to us !

Last edited by Pick2 (2008-05-19 14:38:51)


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#19 2008-05-19 16:43:54

daf666
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Registered: 2007-04-08
Posts: 470
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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

fukawi2 wrote:

Burn that file to CD, then mount the CD on the new computer:

Thanks this looks nice.
Sorry for my ignorance, but will this script deal ok with packages that need dependencies?, and also,not install already-installed packages?
I will try this out on my next Arch cloning operation...

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#20 2008-05-19 20:58:10

LTSmash
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From: Aguascalientes - Mexico
Registered: 2008-01-02
Posts: 348
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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

Pick2 wrote:

Archbuntu  FTW !
tongue   lol

All your Arches belong to us !

Guess not many liked the idea :S


Proud Ex-Arch user.
Still an ArchLinux lover though.

Currently on Kubuntu 9.10

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#21 2008-05-19 23:13:58

fukawi2
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From: .vic.au
Registered: 2007-09-28
Posts: 6,217
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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

daf666 wrote:
fukawi2 wrote:

Burn that file to CD, then mount the CD on the new computer:

Thanks this looks nice.
Sorry for my ignorance, but will this script deal ok with packages that need dependencies?, and also,not install already-installed packages?
I will try this out on my next Arch cloning operation...

Thanks smile
pacman should deal with the dependencies itself - it installs each package 1 by 1, so if there are dependencies, pacman should resolve and install them. It will reinstall existing packages, but the package should already be in the cache so it will just install over the top of itself without downloading anything (or will download the latest and upgrade the existing package)

AFAICS anyway... It was written in the forum reply box and is untested smile

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#22 2008-06-04 19:33:52

vogt
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From: Toronto, Canada
Registered: 2006-11-25
Posts: 389

Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

Like iphitus' method:

I keep a list of packages I use, and I can just pass it to pacman, drop in the relevant config, and it's just like home smile

echo `pacman -Qqe` > packages
< packages | pacman -Sy

No looping, and with -e (explicitly installed), the list is about half as long.

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#23 2008-09-20 10:31:21

fukawi2
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From: .vic.au
Registered: 2007-09-28
Posts: 6,217
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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

Sorry to bring a dead thread back to life...

I just migrated my old server (Pentium III 733, 512mb RAM, 2gb HDD) to a new system (AMD 64 Dual-core, 2gb RAM, 500gb RAID-1) and used this script to help - it did need tweaking, but it worked wonders! big_smile

#!/bin/bash
DEF_PKGLIST='/root/packages.list'
PACMAN='/usr/bin/pacman'
GREP='/bin/grep'
CUT='/bin/cut'
TMPFILE="$$$$.tmp"
RM='/bin/rm'

clear
echo ""
echo "Arch Linux System Package Copy or some other name for this script :P"
echo "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"

#
# Get filename for package list from user (or default)
#
read -p "List of packages to install [${DEF_PKGLIST}]: " PKGLIST
if [ -z $PKGLIST ] ; then
        PKGLIST=${DEF_PKGLIST}
fi
if [ -f $PKGLIST ] ; then
        # Remove the version numbers from the package list
        $CUT -d" " -f1 $PKGLIST > $TMPFILE
        PKGLIST=$TMPFILE
else
        echo "Package list (${PKGLIST} NOT FOUND"
        exit 1
fi

#
# Update pacman's cache
echo "Status available on tty5"
echo -n "Updating pacman mirror cache... "
$PACMAN -Sy &> /dev/tty5
if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then
        echo "OK"
else
        echo "Failed!"
        exit 1
fi

#
# Install each package in the package list
#
FAIL_LIST=''
for PKG in $(cat ${PKGLIST}) ; do 
        # Check if this package is already installed
        INSTALLED=`$PACMAN -Qe | $GREP $PKG`
        
        if [ -z "$INSTALLED" ] ; then
                echo -n "Installing $PKG "
                $PACMAN -S --noconfirm $PKG &> /dev/tty5
                if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then
                        echo "OK"
                else
                        echo "FAIL"
                        FAIL_LIST="${FAIL_LIST} ${PKG}"
                fi
        else
                echo "Skipping $PKG; Already installed"
        fi
done

if [ ! -z "$FAIL_LIST" ] ; then
        echo ""
        echo "============================================================================"
        echo ""
        echo "The following packaged failed to install."
        echo "Perhaps they were installed from the AUR?"
        echo $FAIL_LIST
fi

$RM -f $TMPFILE

exit 0

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#24 2008-09-20 14:16:54

Xyne
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Posts: 6,963
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Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

This is part of the reason that I wrote "metapax" (linked in sig). You can create custom metapackages that contains the apps that you want as depends (and will change that to optdepends if we ever get a good way of installing optdepends during sync... I've posted a feature request for command line options to do that).

One of the options is to do a system "snapshot" of the currently installed packages, including rebuilding any packages no found in the repo so that you can migrate them to another system. You'll have to back up your own configuration files yourself though, but at least you can quickly re-install your packages.


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#25 2008-09-20 17:25:33

floke
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Registered: 2007-09-04
Posts: 266

Re: new Arch Idea, would like to hear opinions..

partimage is also useful for such things.

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