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stonecrest wrote:Yes, I had considered that. I'll stick with the insanity charge.
Good for you. I'll just go ahead and keep doing what's best for me which includes from now on ignoring you.
Great! Totally irrelevant to the topic, but great. If you kids wanna continue, please take it off the forums. Thanks!
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Thanks Cerebral.
I'm curious to hear from long term Opera users on what they think about this build. If you have both on your system, and the cache has had time to propagate, what are your impressions in terms of speed?
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phrakture wrote:The places bar is annoying.
I'll be honest...At first, i'd agree completely with this, but if you use Firefox 3 for like a week, you start to learn how it works, it starts being able to pull frequency data out of your history and it starts to be awesome.
Yeah, I'm getting to really like the places bar.
And FF3 was already faster, and I noticed a difference between beta2 and beta3. Loving it so far.
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jdhore wrote:phrakture wrote:The places bar is annoying.
I'll be honest...At first, i'd agree completely with this, but if you use Firefox 3 for like a week, you start to learn how it works, it starts being able to pull frequency data out of your history and it starts to be awesome.
Yeah, I'm getting to really like the places bar.
And FF3 was already faster, and I noticed a difference between beta2 and beta3. Loving it so far.
hehe...well if you liked that, you'll like this:
For a while (like 4 days) i was using the 02/07/2008 firefox nightly build which is basically the same build that was used for Beta 3...I moved up to the 02/10/2008 build a few days ago and i noticed a VERY significant performance increase there too
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stonecrest wrote:Yes, I had considered that. I'll stick with the insanity charge.
Good for you. I'll just go ahead and keep doing what's best for me which includes from now on ignoring you.
then maybe you'll listen to someone else. Firefox3 owns ff2!!!! you must be insane... touche
here is some fact from my stand point. I was bored and decided to give firefox 3 a try one night. The next day I removed firefox 2 and haven't looked back.
I don't even have anything to say to the opera fans. I opened that program and closed it almost immediately.
Last edited by jacko (2008-02-14 03:58:09)
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so does cairo 1.5 basically makes a replacement for cairo-lcd packages?
just wondering
Archlinux on Compaq Presario v5000 laptop
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Don't look now- but firefox3 might just be in your friendly neighborhood [unstable] repo. Your mirrors might have to sync first though.
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FF3 B3 is working great
Lower memory usage, fast rendering, no video stuttering, and the default theme isn't half bad
I'm getting used to the new bookmark system and I'm liking it a lot
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so does cairo 1.5 basically makes a replacement for cairo-lcd packages?
For me the rendering seems to be better with Cairo 1.5.x then 1.4.x with LCD patches.
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Ok, no more "insanity" in this thread. Skottish has a good thread going, let's not ruin it with personal squabbling.
Back on track: If it's in [Unstable] I'm there!
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I've been using FF3 at work (Debian) since beta2 and I must say it has improved a lot! I really believe the devs if they say they solved 150+ memory leaks in ths beta...
Question: At home I'm using Arch with cairo-lcd. To get FF(3) use cairo-lcd, I'd have to get the package from AUR I suppose, and not the package in Unstable?
Question2 (but kinda off-topic): would it harm anyone if Arch devs would decide to only distribute the firefox-package that relies on the system-cairo? I know that it would be straying from the Arch-way to only distribute (semi-)vanilla packages, but would this decision not benefit all?
Zl.
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toofishes, what did you do to strip the debug symbols? My builds are five times the size of yours!
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toofishes, what did you do to strip the debug symbols? My builds are five times the size of yours!
Probably because of this :
http://projects.archlinux.org/git/?p=pa … 997cedfc69
As a pacman developer, he is using a development version of makepkg with the above fix.
The fix will be included in 3.1.2 which should be released soon.
pacman roulette : pacman -S $(pacman -Slq | LANG=C sort -R | head -n $((RANDOM % 10)))
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What do you have to do to install FF3b alongside FF2?
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It seems to work very fast indeed.
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Just pacman -S firefox3.
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Just pacman -S firefox3.
Only if you have the 'unstable' repository enabled, or some third party repo that has a build.
Last edited by skottish (2008-02-14 18:58:28)
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does anyone maybe know why firefox3 depends on all these things? especially curl libidl2 and dbus-glib?
here is the namcap output of both firefox2 and firefox3:
namcap -i /var/cache/pacman/pkg/firefox-2.0.0.12-2-i686.pkg.tar.gz
firefox W: Dependency included but already satisfied (pango)
firefox W: Dependency included but already satisfied (gcc-libs)
firefox W: Dependency included and not needed (mozilla-common)
firefox W: Dependency included and not needed (desktop-file-utils)
firefox I: Depends as namcap sees them: depends=(nss libxt gtk2 libidl2)
namcap -i /archlinux/dark/firefox3-3.0b3-2-i686.pkg.tar.gz
firefox3 W: Dependency included but already satisfied (pango)
firefox3 W: Dependency included but already satisfied (gcc-libs)
firefox3 W: Dependency included and not needed (libidl2)
firefox3 W: Dependency included and not needed (mozilla-common)
firefox3 W: Dependency included and not needed (desktop-file-utils)
firefox3 W: Dependency included but already satisfied (cairo)
firefox3 W: Dependency included and not needed (curl)
firefox3 W: Dependency included and not needed (dbus-glib)
firefox3 I: Depends as namcap sees them: depends=(nss libxt gtk2)
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then maybe you'll listen to someone else. Firefox3 owns ff2!!!! you must be insane... touche
here is some fact from my stand point. I was bored and decided to give firefox 3 a try one night. The next day I removed firefox 2 and haven't looked back.
I don't even have anything to say to the opera fans. I opened that program and closed it almost immediately.
Great. And how old are you? "Fact" and "from my stand point" don't go in one sentence, because standpoint means just an opinion.
And if you would READ you'd see I'm not an opera fan at all.
What the hell is going on on these forums lately? Why do people have to make personal attacks just
because somebody states their (different) opinion? I don't care what you use; if it works for you, good, use it.
Just let others use whatever they want without insulting people. Different needs, preferences and circumstances, etc...
Last edited by semdornus (2008-02-15 01:40:58)
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There have been a few uncalled for comments in this thread, but let's not make it any worse.
Frankly, I am a bit disappointed that it has come to this, especially after the friendly warning above, so perhaps it must be put more bluntly:
NO MORE PERSONAL ATTACKS IN THIS THREAD, PLEASE, OR IT SHALL BE CLOSED.
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I'm curious to hear from long term Opera users on what they think about this build. If you have both on your system, and the cache has had time to propagate, what are your impressions in terms of speed?
I'm using opera snapshot 20080118 right now, and firefox is very close to it in terms of speed. I think firefox might actually be a bit faster, but it is very hard to tell.
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Adding to the Firefox 3 hype:
A very, very long standing bug has been resolved: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66519
Now those fancy internet - keyboard - keys can be used without hacks
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so does cairo 1.5 basically makes a replacement for cairo-lcd packages?
The latest available cairo version (1.5.8 from AUR) still has an LCD patch applied, courtesy of Ubuntu. I guess that the LCD filter stuff will be patented by someone and won't ever be merged upstream. I might be wrong though. Any LCD patch experts around?
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When you find the urlbar-autocompletion style visually bloated, get the addon Oldbar - it will bring back the single-line display. The new search mode (History, Bookmarks etc) will stay intact.
Much more readable, imho...
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Earlier Phrakture mentioned the 'places bar'. What is this? I have 3b3 installed and like it a lot. I haven't seen anything about a places bar though.
Thanks
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