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paldepind

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From: Århus, Denmark

Registered: 2010-02-17

Posts: 141

Gnome 3

So, what do you think about it?

ablepharus

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From: Berlin

Registered: 2010-05-23

Posts: 129

Re: Gnome 3

Sucks!   Thats Gnome3 is the reason why I will never go back to gnome

bananaoomarang

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Registered: 2009-10-29

Posts: 180

Re: Gnome 3

kde4 is better than gnome3 IMHO. I can't get used to gnome-shell, but I have a friend who loves gnome-shell. (he uses ubuntu though)

ngoonee

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From: Between Thailand and Singapore

Registered: 2009-03-17

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Re: Gnome 3

Isn't gnome-shell just an optional part of gnome3?

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flamelab

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From: Athens, Hellas (Greece)

Registered: 2007-12-26

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Re: Gnome 3

I will wait to see it. I guess it will be like the pre-KDE 4.1 state. That means, it'll be 2 years behind KDE4 when it will be released.

Labello

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From: Germany

Registered: 2010-01-21

Posts: 317

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Re: Gnome 3

I will wait to see it. I guess it will be like the pre-KDE 4.1 state. That means, it'll be 2 years behind KDE4 when it will be released.

I second that! I hope Gnome will receive some more love just after this huge change than KDE got until 4.3.*

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alexandrite

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Registered: 2009-03-27

Posts: 326

Re: Gnome 3

Blech... The only thing gnome shell has going for it is that there's not many environments that work the way it does.  Needless to say, that's not necessarily a good thing.

I really don't see the point.  All the shrinking workspaces and stuff is a long way to go to get to an applications menu imho.

punkrockguy318

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From: New Jersey

Registered: 2004-02-15

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Re: Gnome 3

i'm not a huge fan; used it for a little while and went back to gnome 2

i'm not even a huge fan of gnome, but i'm just realy used to it

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JGC

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Registered: 2003-12-03

Posts: 1,664

Re: Gnome 3

GNOME 3 is just GNOME 2.32. There's a new GTK library that drops all deprecated crap that has been collected in the last 10 years, but besides that, it's just a regular update of GTK that breaks binary compatibility with previous versions (Qt does that on every minor update also ).
As for gnome-shell/mutter: we will keep packaging metacity/gnome-panel, so if you don't like the shell, revert to the panel. I haven't seen much of the new shell yet, but I think I'll keep using the old gnome-panel. Because of this possible fallback, there's no way you can compare GNOME 3 with any KDE 4.x release.
There's only one issue: the GTK2 -> GTK3 switch creates a huge workload on packagers. We'll end up with a lot of -gtk3 packages with this conversion.

drcouzelis

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From: Connecticut, USA

Registered: 2009-11-09

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Re: Gnome 3

I don't think my opinion has changed much since 2009.

As was kind of mentioned above, I haven't heard any reason to be excited about GNOME 3. The idea of creating and destroying multiple desktops as I use my computer is a little compelling.

On the contrary, when I first heard about the design of KDE 4 I was very impressed. The idea of "everything is a plasmoid that can work with anything that is a plasmoid" intrigued me.

Last month I made the switch from GNOME to KDE 4 and have been liking it. In a surprising move, I even switched from SLiM to KDM and really like that too.

At this point, I think I'm the most interested to see what Ubuntu does in regards to the GNOME 3 release. Other than that, I don't think I'll be trying it out.

There's only one issue: the GTK2 -> GTK3 switch creates a huge workload on packagers.

I remember the switch from GTK+ to GTK2. (I was using Slackware at the time)

...my GOODNESS it was painful. O_o

wonder

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From: Bucharest, Romania

Registered: 2006-07-05

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Re: Gnome 3

At this point, I think I'm the most interested to see what Ubuntu does in regards to the GNOME 3 release. Other than that, I don't think I'll be trying it out.

they would not ship gtk3 default in the next version of ubuntu and they actually forking gnome my creating a new shell based on mutter

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Rasi

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From: Germany

Registered: 2007-08-14

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Re: Gnome 3

GNOME 3 is just GNOME 2.32. There's a new GTK library that drops all deprecated crap that has been collected in the last 10 years, but besides that, it's just a regular update of GTK that breaks binary compatibility with previous versions (Qt does that on every minor update also ).
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There's only one issue: the GTK2 -> GTK3 switch creates a huge workload on packagers. We'll end up with a lot of -gtk3 packages with this conversion.

Not true. gtk tools will work, kind of. they only need slight optimisations. As you said, they just threw out all the non-needed crap that shouldnt be used anymore anyway.

As for qt: thats definately not true: qt 4.7 is compatible with qt 4.0 or lets say at least compatible with 4.2. Some additional features wont work, but the base is the same.
The only real API breaks are between major versions, which is no surprise.

*edit* yea, 1024 posts

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bananaoomarang

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Registered: 2009-10-29

Posts: 180

Re: Gnome 3

Isn't gnome-shell just an optional part of gnome3?

well yes, I suppose, but the gnome folk are pushing it as 'the future' and I am not convinced in any way that gnome-shell (or mutter) are  'the future'. It all seems like pointless development. Anyway, I just have always pefered kde's innovation to gnome's 'innovation that doesn't really improve how the desktop works'. However, I am sure gnome-shell and mtter will be granted their fanboys.

cesura

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From: Tallinn, Estonia

Registered: 2010-01-23

Posts: 1,867

Re: Gnome 3

Ugh, I never thought I'd say this, but I think KDE is finally better than GNOME.

GNOME 3 is like like putting sparkles on a pile of cow manure.

Last edited by cesura (2010-07-20 18:20:56)

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drcouzelis

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From: Connecticut, USA

Registered: 2009-11-09

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Re: Gnome 3

I never thought I'd say this, but I think KDE is finally better than GNOME.

It works out well. We can swap back and forth while they bump major release version numbers.

GNOME 3 is like like putting sparkles on a pile of cow manure.

That's one of the greatest things I've ever heard.

JGC

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Registered: 2003-12-03

Posts: 1,664

Re: Gnome 3

GNOME 3 is just GNOME 2.32. There's a new GTK library that drops all deprecated crap that has been collected in the last 10 years, but besides that, it's just a regular update of GTK that breaks binary compatibility with previous versions (Qt does that on every minor update also ).
[...]
There's only one issue: the GTK2 -> GTK3 switch creates a huge workload on packagers. We'll end up with a lot of -gtk3 packages with this conversion.

Not true. gtk tools will work, kind of. they only need slight optimisations. As you said, they just threw out all the non-needed crap that shouldnt be used anymore anyway.

As for qt: thats definately not true: qt 4.7 is compatible with qt 4.0 or lets say at least compatible with 4.2. Some additional features wont work, but the base is the same.
The only real API breaks are between major versions, which is no surprise.

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I'm not talking about API, but about ABI. Somehow Qt always manages to break ABI as soon as you do a minor update or a compiler change. As API is backwards compatible, a simple recompile will fix that for you.

The issue with having both GTK2 and GTK3 is that a lot of modules will get ported, but some aren't. Packages like libnotify and libcanberra will have both gtk2 and gtk3 versions, which means additional packages. That's the extra workload packagers will get: duplicate packages for both versions of gtk.