/etc/services file deleted?

legolas558 · 2010-07-26 12:12:07

I have recently upgraded my Arch box and today I found out that /etc/services was...deleted!
The deletion happened on 19 July, this is the relative section of my /var/log/pacman.log:

[2010-07-19 14:35] Running '/usr/bin/pacman --noconfirm -Syu'
[2010-07-19 14:35] synchronizing package lists
[2010-07-19 14:36] starting full system upgrade
[2010-07-19 14:38] warning: directory permissions differ on usr/share/adesklets/
filesystem: 775 package: 755
[2010-07-19 14:38] upgraded adesklets (0.6.1-9 -> 0.6.1-10)
[2010-07-19 14:38] warning: directory permissions differ on usr/share/adesklets/
filesystem: 775 package: 755
[2010-07-19 14:38] warning: directory permissions differ on usr/share/adesklets/yab/icons/
filesystem: 775 package: 755
[2010-07-19 14:38] upgraded adesklet-yab (0.0.2-5 -> 0.0.2-6)
[2010-07-19 14:38] upgraded bin2iso (1.9b-1 -> 1.9b-2)
[2010-07-19 14:38] upgraded fmodex (4.30.02-2 -> 4.30.05-1)
[2010-07-19 14:38] upgraded gtk-chtheme (0.3.1-4 -> 0.3.1-5)
[2010-07-19 14:38] upgraded libpurple (2.7.1-1 -> 2.7.1-2)
[2010-07-19 14:38] upgraded libupnp (1.6.6-2 -> 1.6.6-3)
[2010-07-19 14:38] upgraded module-init-tools (3.11.1-2 -> 3.12-1)
[2010-07-19 14:38] upgraded orc (0.4.4-1 -> 0.4.6-1)
[2010-07-19 14:39] upgraded pidgin (2.7.1-1 -> 2.7.1-2)
[2010-07-19 14:39] upgraded sip (4.10.3-1 -> 4.10.5-1)
[2010-07-19 14:39] upgraded vte (0.24.2-1 -> 0.24.3-1)

None of these packages has /etc/services in its file list, but some of them must have messed it up to the point of removing it!

Has somebody experienced the same issue?

falconindy · 2010-07-26 12:21:18

None of the packages you list are related. It's likely no coincidence that /etc/services and /etc/protocols were split off to iana-etc and is a dependency of the new testing/filesystem package.

legolas558 · 2010-07-26 12:33:16

falconindy wrote:

None of the packages you list are related. It's likely no coincidence that /etc/services and /etc/protocols were split off to iana-etc and is a dependency of the new testing/filesystem package.

Yes, they are not related. I am also using [testing] so that must be the cause. Shall I install iana-etc?

wonder · 2010-07-26 13:15:23

legolas558 wrote:

falconindy wrote:
None of the packages you list are related. It's likely no coincidence that /etc/services and /etc/protocols were split off to iana-etc and is a dependency of the new testing/filesystem package.
Yes, they are not related. I am also using [testing] so that must be the cause. Shall I install iana-etc?

should?? you must!.

but i'm not sure how did you managed to not have it. is a dependency of filesystem

legolas558 · 2010-07-26 14:31:53

wonder wrote:

legolas558 wrote:
falconindy wrote:
None of the packages you list are related. It's likely no coincidence that /etc/services and /etc/protocols were split off to iana-etc and is a dependency of the new testing/filesystem package.
Yes, they are not related. I am also using [testing] so that must be the cause. Shall I install iana-etc?
should?? you must!.
but i'm not sure how did you managed to not have it. is a dependency of filesystem

Simple: I used pacman -Sud because I don't want avahi as dependency of vlc...and that caused the trouble

legolas558 · 2010-07-26 14:32:32

How can I check that all packages' dependencies are currently installed?

wonder · 2010-07-26 14:48:44

legolas558 wrote:

How can I check that all packages' dependencies are currently installed?

testdb

about avahi dependency, why you didn't submitted a feature request on the tracker to move it in optdepends? i see that is required by a plugin for service discovery

Last edited by wonder (2010-07-26 14:53:32)

legolas558 · 2010-07-28 10:19:43

ok testdb says that there are no missing dependencies.

I have submitted http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/20300 and http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/20301

sand_man · 2010-07-28 11:01:22

legolas558 wrote:

wonder wrote:
legolas558 wrote:
Yes, they are not related. I am also using [testing] so that must be the cause. Shall I install iana-etc?
should?? you must!.
but i'm not sure how did you managed to not have it. is a dependency of filesystem
Simple: I used pacman -Sud because I don't want avahi as dependency of vlc...and that caused the trouble

In that case you should have upgraded the single packages while skipping dependency checks, not the whole system.

legolas558 · 2010-07-28 15:13:25

sand_man wrote:

legolas558 wrote:
wonder wrote:
should?? you must!.
but i'm not sure how did you managed to not have it. is a dependency of filesystem
Simple: I used pacman -Sud because I don't want avahi as dependency of vlc...and that caused the trouble
In that case you should have upgraded the single packages while skipping dependency checks, not the whole system.

Now, I know, but before this trouble I thought that [i]-d[/b] option would have ignored only missing dependencies, not all dependencies

.:B:. · 2010-07-28 16:17:52

From man pacman:

-d, --nodeps
Skips all dependency checks. Normally, pacman will always check a package's dependency fields to ensure that all dependencies are installed and there are
no package conflicts in the system.

Emphasis mine.

If -d only skipped missing dependencies, it would be pretty useless . It's very useful to upgrade single packages, but you should use it with care. Using it during a system-wide update is pretty bad practice.

legolas558 · 2010-07-28 16:38:24

.:B:. wrote:

From man pacman:
-d, --nodeps
Skips all dependency checks. Normally, pacman will always check a package's dependency fields to ensure that all dependencies are installed and there are
no package conflicts in the system.
Emphasis mine.
If -d only skipped missing dependencies, it would be pretty useless . It's very useful to upgrade single packages, but you should use it with care. Using it during a system-wide update is pretty bad practice.

Yes I agree...

However there should be a way to easily block a package from being installed; I have used customizepkg or IgnorePkg in pacman.conf..but there isn't yet something like Gentoo's way

.:B:. · 2010-07-28 22:34:08

Gentoo is not Arch. Arch has binary packages, and hard dependencies. If it's not a hard dependency and the package is built correctly, then the dependency will be an optdepends. If the stock VLC runs fine without avahi installed, you should file a feature request to move it into optdepends.

legolas558 · 2010-07-29 09:32:13

.:B:. wrote:

Gentoo is not Arch. Arch has binary packages, and hard dependencies. If it's not a hard dependency and the package is built correctly, then the dependency will be an optdepends. If the stock VLC runs fine without avahi installed, you should file a feature request to move it into optdepends.

You could save me the "Gentoo is not Arch" newbie phrase...I know what is what, I am talking about emerge's way to ignore dependencies NOT about how packages are built.

Even if a package has a hard dependency, pacman should not force you to install the dependency anyway. It should be my choice to have a broken dependency. Furthermore I have already submitted a feature request for avahi in optdepends (read previous posts).

Please, let's not start flames with cheap replies like this...

.:B:. · 2010-07-29 09:39:01

Let's not take it there, shall we?

If you feel your complaint is sound and your argument is solid, just open a ticket about pacman on the bugtracker. Let the devs handle it. My opinion is your point is unreasonable, if you don't appreciate my opinion, that's fine, but keep your replies decent.

Allan · 2010-07-29 10:43:03

legolas558 wrote:

Even if a package has a hard dependency, pacman should not force you to install the dependency anyway.

It does not force you to install the dependency. But the easiest way no to screw your system is to install it and then remove it with -Rd.

Edit: it is not as if you are force to run the avahi daemon..

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