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#201 2016-07-01 02:17:19

BlueWhiteFox
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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

If a program is not required to be secure (A game or simple tool for example) then does it need to be updated all the time? Can we consider it to be "finished"? As long as people keep packaging it for the latest libs that is.

Seems like if a program is not being updated every month is useless.

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#202 2016-07-01 04:19:33

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

BlueWhiteFox wrote:

If a program is not required to be secure (A game or simple tool for example) then does it need to be updated all the time? Can we consider it to be "finished"? As long as people keep packaging it for the latest libs that is.

What if the package maintainers have trouble packaging it for the latest libs?

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#203 2016-07-01 08:22:55

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

x33a wrote:
BlueWhiteFox wrote:

If a program is not required to be secure (A game or simple tool for example) then does it need to be updated all the time? Can we consider it to be "finished"? As long as people keep packaging it for the latest libs that is.

What if the package maintainers have trouble packaging it for the latest libs?

Write a small fix to get it working or put it in one of those fancy snaps/flatpacks. But most programs dont *really* need new features all the time and they are just as good as they were before. Anything that needs to be secure should be constantly reviewed and patched though.

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#204 2016-07-01 08:38:16

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

BlueWhiteFox wrote:
x33a wrote:

What if the package maintainers have trouble packaging it for the latest libs?

Write a small fix to get it working or put it in one of those fancy snaps/flatpacks. But most programs dont *really* need new features all the time and they are just as good as they were before. Anything that needs to be secure should be constantly reviewed and patched though.

Are we talking about downstream, strapping patches to a dead project? Why not simply adopt the project and continue it properly instead? And don't even get me started on those "snaps"...
"Maintained/Updated/Alive" does not necessarily mean "New Features" smile

Otherwise, to remain on-topic: there used to be Full Flat, a Firefox theme that was unfortunately abandoned with Firefox 3.something. I have stopped using Firefox long ago, but it's one of those things that made me sad back then.

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#205 2016-07-01 09:07:17

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

BlueWhiteFox wrote:

If a program is not required to be secure (A game or simple tool for example) then does it need to be updated all the time? Can we consider it to be "finished"? As long as people keep packaging it for the latest libs that is.

Seems like if a program is not being updated every month is useless.

Fill your case with examples. Which projects have been deemed dead, although they don't require updates and work fine the way they are?

Requirements:

  • It can be built against the modern versions of its GUI toolkit.

  • It does not required outdated versions of a framework, that was known to be a subject of constant change from the start.

  • It does not build against library versions with security issues, but not against new versions.

  • It does not require low level mechanisms like HAL.

  • It doesn't have too many open valid bug reports. Users often use buggy software in good faith, that the bugs will one day be fixed.

If a project meets those requirements and is still considered dead, then there usually is another project around, that not only is being developed actively, but also allows feature requests and bug reports.

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#206 2016-07-01 12:04:51

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

Yeah, I don't know why everyone in this problem complains about dead projects.  As long as we redefine dead as "completely alive" then there really is no problem with dead projects.

Of course now we need a new name for those projects which are actually not able to be packaged anymore - we can't call them dead because that'd be ambiguous as now dead means alive, up means down, and alive means tomato.

</sarcasm>


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#207 2016-07-20 07:53:49

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

I've been looking at, poking around, and haphazardly hacking on super-wingpanel on and off for a while. The original developer has lost interest in--in my opinion--the best status bar that ever was or will be (separate slide-away panels for launcher and status tray + autohide plank == pantheon desktop with 100% open screen real estate).

Even if it means actually learning vala, I think I have to try to bring it to life again.

Tribly wrote:

a new name for those projects which are actually not able to be packaged anymore

out-of-date

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#208 2016-07-23 20:50:29

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

I just installed ayatana overlay-scrollbars, on purpose.
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Bzr revision 391 was the last to provide a gtk3 module (discontinued in favor of gnome's native overlay scrollbars)

It's nice to have the hover target because elementary's theme makes all scrollbars microscopic and unusable, maybe by design. Unfortunately we haven't evolved out of the need for scrollbars yet. I still get stuck in the occasional extreme left/right/up/down and can't get back (in a reasonable amount of time or effort) by mouse wheel or keyboard.

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#209 2016-07-24 18:32:03

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

Cyanogenmod sad


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#210 2016-07-24 19:39:50

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?


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#211 2016-07-24 20:02:11

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?


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#212 2016-07-25 12:37:27

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

Cyanogen Inc. closing shop/pivoting to apps doesn't necessarily mean the end of CyanogenMod.

Last edited by Gusar (2016-07-25 12:38:10)

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#213 2016-07-25 12:43:13

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

But, but, but... That's just for Cyanogen OS, the OS that nobody uses, right? CyanogenMod is still developed by an open source community, right? Right?

Gosh darn it, I'm going to buy my very first Android phone in the coming months and I really wanted to install CyanogenMod on it right away. Why are phones so hard... sad

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#214 2016-07-25 13:53:11

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

Okay, perhaps Cyanogenmod is just wounded.  I hope not mortally; but I did install ViperROM on my One M8 yesterday.


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#215 2016-07-25 15:47:59

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

ewaller wrote:

Okay, perhaps Cyanogenmod is just wounded.  I hope not mortally; but I did install ViperROM on my One M8 yesterday.

I have stopped using anything with "Cyanogen" in the name, after I learned that they tried to break Google's dominance by bending over for Microsoft.

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#216 2016-07-25 16:07:49

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

Awebb wrote:

I have stopped using anything with "Cyanogen" in the name, after I learned that they tried to break Google's dominance by bending over for Microsoft.

Embrace: Check.
Extend:  Not clear.
Extinguish: I think so.


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#217 2016-08-10 15:42:16

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

Geary

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#218 2016-08-10 17:09:56

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

Geary? It seems still active as far as I know: https://git.gnome.org/browse/geary/

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#219 2016-08-21 14:39:02

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

Thunar.  Still hoping it will revive, but the last release (1.6.10) was in May of 2015, and it has been unreliable since October, when a change in GLib exposed some race conditions in the file monitoring code.

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#220 2016-08-21 15:26:40

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

It's more a general XFCE thing - complete radio silence between major releases.


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#221 2016-08-21 15:54:48

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

well there are a lot of thunar commits in git. but 99% of the commits are translation updates. no bugfixes or anything


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#222 2016-08-22 13:12:36

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

http://simon.shimmerproject.org/2016/08 … -port-etc/

I thought I’d do a quick overview of some of my recent activities so everyone knows Xfce is still alive.


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#223 2016-08-22 13:37:25

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

GordonGR wrote:

http://simon.shimmerproject.org/2016/08 … -port-etc/

I thought I’d do a quick overview of some of my recent activities so everyone knows Xfce is still alive.

I have been in love with XFCE, it is great to see the development still going

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#224 2016-08-23 14:21:54

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

ewaller wrote:

Okay, perhaps Cyanogenmod is just wounded.  I hope not mortally; but I did install ViperROM on my One M8 yesterday.

To paraphrase:  The reports of their death have been greatly exaggerated.

Cyanogenmod is still receiving nightly updates -- and the security patch date is August 5.
On recent trip to the East coast (US) ViperROM proved to be more than a little buggy in the association with LTE.  I'm back on Cyanogenmod.


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#225 2016-08-25 15:35:13

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Re: Favorite dead open source project?

imran27 wrote:

I have been in love with XFCE, it is great to see the development still going

I am also glad there are still people working on it, but it worries me that most of the efforts seem to be going into porting small components to GTK3, while the "really uncomfortable behemoths" (to borrow a lovely phrase from Simon's blog post) seem to be stagnating.  With the three biggest components of the desktop (the panel, the window manager, and the file manager) still at 0% on the 4.14 roadmap, it seems that there is a lack of manpower.  But I hope that soon my worries will be proven unfounded. smile

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