KDE 3.4.1 in [extra]

IceRAM · 2005-06-04 20:55:33

Found KDE Bug report.
This bug should have been fixed in KDE 3.4.1 but.. it doesn't look like so (see last comments - I've also added my comment).

And, to answer pholie's question:
It's not a problem with the ArchLinux packages but with KDE. ArchLinux packageRs don't fix the programs, since they're not the authors - the packageRs only pack the programs.

Imagine that a packageRs not only packs one program, but several. It would be practically impossible to know those thousands of lines. Reversed way - the author only ships the source, because there are several distributions/architectures in the world and the author can't make binaries for all, the packageRs do this.

Therefore, it this problem will be out when KDE provides a solution (a new release, a patch, a "how to avoid" how-to etc.)

These are the 'beauties' of running bleeding edge software.

Pointer · 2005-06-04 21:44:16

ok than i go back to kde 3.4 and wait for an bugfix

IceRAM · 2005-06-04 22:03:49

Let me know if you find a kde 3.4.1 feature missing in KDE 3.4 . I am quite comfortabile with kicker crashing only on logout so I won't downgrade

Please note that downgrading might cause loosing configs.

tpowa · 2005-06-05 08:20:25

ICERAM:
many thanks for debugging this in detail and searching for the bugreport
that makes packagers life easier
they try to fix it for 3.4.2, if a svn commit happens which fixes this problem, i'll update kde immediatly.
greetings
tpowa

tpowa · 2005-06-05 09:06:55

rebuilding kdelibs against new qt, doesn't help.
if it would help i would release a new package
About Testers:
The other thing is on my systems it works on others too, it seems to be a strange thing. Bug hunting is not always simple and many different systems can show bugs that not everyone gets.
and for packagers this is a real horror to read that ppl have crashes that not everyone gets.
And don't forget all users modfiy their desktop, i can't test every single option in KDE, it's too big.
greetings
tpowa

sweiss · 2005-06-05 19:40:14

I just upgraded my system and got this message:

upgrading mdnsresponder... done.
==> To activate mdnsresponder add  'mdns' to rc.conf and please change your /etc/nsswitch.conf to:
==> hosts: files mdns dns

Now should I edit this file and delete all the other lines, leaving just "hosts: files mdns dns" in it? What does it do, should I add this daemon to rc.conf at all?

If one could please clarify, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

tpowa · 2005-06-05 20:10:56

ah sorry, perhaps it is missleading, you have to add the mdns, don't change the other lines.
last package did this while installing, but some ppl were scared that system critical files are changed.
sorry perhaps i find a better explanation.

sweiss · 2005-06-05 20:43:09

No worries, luckily this thread exists

Is it needed for KDE to function properly or is the daemon meant for something more specific?

tpowa · 2005-06-06 05:28:35

it is only needed for zeroconf:/ ioslave, it's for communicating between pc's without modifying network stuff. like windows pc's could communicate with each other without setting ip for example.

sweiss · 2005-06-06 07:35:56

Ah, got it.
Thanks a lot.

purrkur · 2005-06-06 08:18:51

tpowa: I am new to Arch which I have installed in vmware to check it out. So far Arch is good fun and the forums are helpful.

I just wanted to throw my .02c into the discussion. I installed Arch and then I installed KDE which gave me the 3.4.1 version so I have a clean install of both Arch and KDE. Kwin always crashes at startup. It is not a random thing at all for me. The funny thing is that because of this, I am not getting any apps at all into Kmenu and Kicker is not populated with any programs. Kicker is stable though and does not crash on me.

I am running Gentoo Linux on my main box and there 3.4.1 has been rock stable without any issues whatsoever. If there is anything I can do to help (comparisons of components, versions etc) then please let me know. I can also post my kwin backtrace if you think it helps, although I am sure you have seen quite a few already

purrkur · 2005-06-06 08:29:26

Hmm. Interesting.

I started up KDE, watched kwin crash and then I opened konsole. From there I ran "kwin" manually. Lo and behold, it worked and started up!

I then shut down X and restarted it. Kwin doesn't seem to crash anymore (I have tested the restart twice) but my KDE installation is pretty messed up. Kmenu is still unpopulated and if I click on icons I just get a "open with" window up like it doesn't know what to do (like if I click on my home icon).

KDE starts up really fast as well so it seems like it is jumping over something in its startup procedure. I know Arch is fast but I doubt it should be this fast

Any ideas? I was thinking about a reinstall but I would really like to figure out what is going on instead.

bpisciot · 2005-06-06 17:11:19

This thread has been going for a long time, and I'm loath to continue it, but...

1. Here's a report on Kwin instability from the Gentoo forums:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-34 … -kwin.html

2. KDE 3.4.1 appears to run stably (for me) with qt-3.3.4-7. Others have talked about returning to earlier versions of KDE. Is there a preferred workaround, or do we go with whatever works. I presume that, for the time being, I should embargo qt in my pacman.conf so I can update other parts of the system.

Bob P.

tpowa · 2005-06-06 17:19:21

a simple question perhaps, but how do you start kde?
from kdm or from console?
Edit:
which shell do you use?
Can you try to remove kde and then reinstall?
And does it help to reinstall kde?
I run kde successfull on 4 machines without any kwin crash.
using bash as shell and kdm as login manager.
Hope this clears some stuff.
greetings
tpowa

purrkur · 2005-06-06 18:05:01

tpowa wrote:

a simple question perhaps, but how do you start kde?
from kdm or from console?

From console. I don't start X by default.

tpowa wrote:

which shell do you use?

Regular bash.

tpowa wrote:

Can you try to remove kde and then reinstall?

I will definitely try that. Is there any way of removing all KDE and related packages through pacman or do I have to figure out what was installed and remove them automatically? Sorry for the newb questions but I am still getting accustomed to pacman.

tpowa wrote:

And does it help to reinstall kde?

I unfortunately left my laptop in the office (where I got my Arch installation). I won't be going to the office for 1 or 2 days but once I get there I will definitely try and report back to you.

jw · 2005-06-06 22:34:43

hi tpowa,

i had kwin crashing on startup as well. i noticed that the problem disappeared when i emptied my ~/.kde/Autostart. when i put something back in (a shell script to start superkaramba) the crash returned. hope this helps someone else..

EDIT: scratch that remark. crashing seems random. i now have kwin crashing with an empty Autostart dir as well.

tpowa · 2005-06-07 06:00:04

ok next one, seems that kdelibs rebuild doesn't help, would you guys please try to rebuild kdebase?
thanks
greetings
tpowa

tpowa · 2005-06-08 20:11:31

if noone is interested in rebuilding kdebase i can't help on this issue
it is really simple take the kdebase dir from abs copy to your home and run makepkg in the dir and wait 45 minutes and then install the package and tell me if it works after that, thanks.
greetings
tpowa

kmaster · 2005-06-09 02:01:37

I recompiled kdebase. It seems to have solved my crashes.

purrkur · 2005-06-09 14:38:21

I have removed the KDE installation and reinstalled it.

What happened was that kwin worked just fine, however, my "K" menu button is still empty of applications and kicker is still without any application buttons (only the "K" button and "show desktop button" are there).

I stopped KDE, removed my ~/.kde directory and restarted KDE. Then the kwin crashes started again! I manually started kwin and things worked just fine, even after a KDE restart.

This thing with the missing apps is still a mistery though...

tpowa · 2005-06-09 16:22:41

pukur would you please try to rebuild kdebase? and report if it helps,
i can upload a test package tomorrow evening, but i would be happy if you guys with kwin crashes please try to rebuild kdebase and report if this solves the problem.
thanks

tpowa · 2005-06-09 18:40:00

how should it mess up your system that seems already messed up ?
after successfull build and install with pacman -U kdebase... you can still go back to kdebase-3.4.1-1.pkg.tar.gz if it is not better
or you wait till tomorrow evening when i upload a test package.
greetings tpowa

purrkur · 2005-06-09 19:40:12

tpowa wrote:

pukur would you please try to rebuild kdebase? and report if it helps,
i can upload a test package tomorrow evening, but i would be happy if you guys with kwin crashes please try to rebuild kdebase and report if this solves the problem.
thanks

Yes I will. I will let you know how it goes tomorrow.

bpisciot · 2005-06-10 01:32:48

Tpowa et al.

I updated my system to ensure that I had the latest version of qt (I'd backtracked to 3.3.4-7). To see if things were now misbehaving, I started KDE and immediately had Kwin crash on me. Updated ABS and rebuilt kdebase. Held breath and started KDE. No Kwin crashes at this point. Then, I just had to reboot the machine. Started KDE and Kwin crashed on me. Halted machine completely, and then started it up, Started KDE and Kwin crashed again. Sorry, but I can't lend assurance that rebuilding kdebase is the solution.

Bob P

tpowa · 2005-06-10 05:41:08

ok 1 says it helps one says it doesn't help
next try, why not trying rebuilding qt?
So now ppl with kwin crashes please try rebuilding qt.
Thanks.
perhaps something is really wrong with that.
oh yes and would you please post the md5sum of your packages?
i need md5sum from kdelibs-1 kdebase-1 and qt-8, to ensure that we all use the same packages.
greetings
tpowa

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