KDE without GTK depencencies

Hyugga · 2010-09-28 22:01:50

Recently i changed from GNOME to KDE4 and i uninstalled all the GNOME APPS to have a QT only based desktop.
But there's still some apps that looks like gtk apps, like firefox, thunderbird and wicd. That is why i still have gtk2 installed.

It 's posible to have a QT only based desktop having those apps?

Thanks.

Last edited by Hyugga (2010-09-28 22:02:53)

karol · 2010-09-28 22:12:05

http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=40997

Also, Chakra is a gtk-free distro:
http://chakra-project.org/packages/inde … rn=firefox
http://chakra-project.org/packages/inde … hunderbird
http://chakra-project.org/packages/inde … ttern=wicd

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PyrO_70 · 2010-09-28 22:16:39

firefox/thunderbird use xulrunner which use gtk for rendering widgets. (There is a Firefox-qt tho, don't know if it's still up-to-date).
Wicd-client is a python client, base on gtk as well (Maybe there exists a Qt client. Or you can use wicd-curses)

Allan · 2010-09-28 22:24:30

karol wrote:

Also, Chakra is a gtk-free distro

Well... not quite:
http://chakra-project.org/packages/inde … ttern=gtk2

The try to use as little GTK as possible, but even KDE needs it. Then they have a bundle system to install popular GTK packages.

karol · 2010-09-28 22:30:53

http://chakra-project.org/about.html
http://www.chakra-project.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?id=2787

<sniff> Looks like I've been deceived :-(

wonder · 2010-09-28 22:33:26

the only way to have a gtk2 free kde(which i found it a nonsense) is to found replacements for your gtk applications.

firefox and thunderbird are GTK2 depended and there is no way

karol · 2010-09-28 22:35:46

wonder wrote:

the only way to have a gtk2 free kde(which i found it a nonsense) is to found replacements for your gtk applications.
firefox and thunderbird are GTK2 depended and there is no way

You're right, I should have given more thought to it, not jump to conclusions.

I think there's a way to make gtk apps look like qt apps or unify the look for both toolkits, but I'm not sure is that what OP asks for and how it's done.

shak · 2010-09-29 00:00:17

And some appliations have themes that you can use to look like kde e.x firefox

Skripka · 2010-09-29 01:10:43

PyrO_70 wrote:

firefox/thunderbird use xulrunner which use gtk for rendering widgets. (There is a Firefox-qt tho, don't know if it's still up-to-date).
Wicd-client is a python client, base on gtk as well (Maybe there exists a Qt client. Or you can use wicd-curses)

You're better off using a Qt browser. Last time I tried Firefox-Qt was a night of crashes and ugly windows....and it didn't even work that well, what did actually work that is.

herrvideman · 2010-09-29 01:29:06

Someone mentioned wicd-client. There is a Qt wicd-client in th AUR. I'm using it right now.

ngoonee · 2010-09-29 02:19:49

Skripka wrote:

PyrO_70 wrote:
firefox/thunderbird use xulrunner which use gtk for rendering widgets. (There is a Firefox-qt tho, don't know if it's still up-to-date).
Wicd-client is a python client, base on gtk as well (Maybe there exists a Qt client. Or you can use wicd-curses)
You're better off using a Qt browser. Last time I tried Firefox-Qt was a night of crashes and ugly windows....and it didn't even work that well, what did actually work that is.

Depending on what the OP uses his browser for, it can be impossible to replace Firefox (addons!).

Hyugga · 2010-09-29 02:38:40

Thanks for all those replies!

I tried the wicd-client-kde, but always i had the both of them running together (the qt and the gtk at the same time).
I found some themes to firefox and thunderbird and they look very nice. But when i save some picture or something, the GTK save dialog pops up.
Someone knows a way to use the qt save dialog in firefox/thunderbird or fix the wicd-client-kde?

Thanks again!

Skripka · 2010-09-29 02:41:59

ngoonee wrote:

Depending on what the OP uses his browser for, it can be impossible to replace Firefox (addons!).

PSssssss: You're talking to an Opera user

toad · 2010-09-29 08:03:21

For Firefox:

http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=14 … te+firefox

ilpianista · 2010-09-29 10:16:20

firefox => rekonq
thunderbird => kmail
wicd => kdeplasma-applets-networkmanagement

BTW, GTK2 is not evil.

shemz · 2010-09-29 10:30:57

Why hate GTK? GTK apps are pretty, small, and easy to program. The bad practice is not the use of pure GTK apps, but to install applications from a different desktop tree than the one you are using, GNOME apps while using KDE and vice-versa for example.

Hyugga · 2010-09-29 12:36:55

Jajaja I don't hate GTK apps!
It's just to have a better integrated desktop, that's all. And i think that is the reason for having those packages like qtcurve, qt-gtk-engine...

Thanks toad, set that option in firefox does the work. Can i do it for thunderbird too?
And another question, is there themes for openoffice??

Thanks a lot guys, with all these replies i feel like i finally choose the right distro.

Last edited by Hyugga (2010-09-29 14:02:56)

csslayer · 2010-09-29 15:21:02

for firefox, try firefox-kde-opensuse on aur.

Skripka · 2010-09-29 17:25:19

csslayer wrote:

for firefox, try firefox-kde-opensuse on aur.

Be warned...you're in for some long compile times.

Even after all the compiling/patching, FF still doesn't look like a native KDE app.

Last edited by Skripka (2010-09-29 17:26:03)

manutortosa · 2010-09-29 19:29:17

@allan: The try to use as little GTK as possible, but even KDE needs it. Then they have a bundle system to install popular GTK packages.

About Chakra ->
We only provide the GTK2 package in the repositories so if you need to use bundles or compile stuff from CCR-
Our KDE does not need GTk at all and it's not installed by default in the system nor comes with the ilive media, if you need to use any bundle, Cinstall will install GTK first, if you don't need any GTk app, it's never installed.

gaelic · 2010-09-29 20:12:58

But if you want to install flash you also have to install gtk2 as flashplugin depends on it. even if you use konqueror, rekonq, arora, etc.

Hyugga · 2010-09-30 00:40:13

Mmm interesting...so i'm stuck with GTK2 like forever...jajaja.
So even with qt only apps, still there isn't perfect integration.
So Firefox, thunderbird and OpenOffice are GTK dependant?

Thanks a lot!

Last edited by Hyugga (2010-09-30 00:41:47)

Allan · 2010-09-30 03:51:05

manutortosa wrote:

@allan: The try to use as little GTK as possible, but even KDE needs it. Then they have a bundle system to install popular GTK packages.
About Chakra ->
We only provide the GTK2 package in the repositories so if you need to use bundles or compile stuff from CCR-
Our KDE does not need GTk at all and it's not installed by default in the system nor comes with the ilive media, if you need to use any bundle, Cinstall will install GTK first, if you don't need any GTk app, it's never installed.

So you can not use flash on your live media... Interesting decision... but I admire people who hate GTK2 as much as I hate Qt!

Demon · 2010-09-30 13:16:36

Allan wrote:

I admire people who hate GTK2 as much as I hate Qt!

Like someone already said: it's not the point in hate.

As far as I'm concerned, only GTK dependent apps I need are OpenOffice, Gimp and flushplugin. I could live without the latter, but because of OO and Gimp I think I'm stuck with GTK forever...

Last edited by Demon (2010-09-30 13:17:16)

toad · 2010-09-30 14:00:58

Allan wrote:

So you can not use flash on your live media... Interesting Decision..

It is not a bug, it is a feature for which others pay through the nose (the word iPad comes to mind).

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