[Solved] Ubuntu to become a rolling release?

frabjous · 2010-11-23 22:56:23

Or so apparently Mark Shuttleworth has said.

Someone have a hard time believing that this will come to pass, or that even if it does, that it'll mean that Ubuntu will stay very fresh. But maybe I'm being cynical.

cebru · 2010-11-23 23:08:13

They sure are busy over at Canonical. I hope they can pull it all off.

Having a rolling release was one of the reasons I switched to Arch. I definitely think it will benefit Ubuntu.

flamelab · 2010-11-23 23:17:02

Is it serious or .... April's fools in November ?

falconindy · 2010-11-23 23:44:56

Putting the 'mental' back in developmental... So much for the idea that Ubuntu will be an easy to use, no hassle distro. WIth the way Canonical/Debian patch the hell out of things, they're going to have their hands full. Hope their QA and bug wrangling teams are up for it.

On the other hand, this could work out well for everyone involved. Upstream will be getting a lot more bug reports...

Allan · 2010-11-23 23:48:15

And Arch will get less noobs just coming here for the new stuff!

Barrucadu · 2010-11-24 00:17:29

Unity, Wayland, rolling release… Has there been a coup at Ubuntu or something?

lifeafter2am · 2010-11-24 00:20:31

Allan wrote:

And Arch will get less noobs just coming here for the new stuff!

combuster · 2010-11-24 00:35:59

Unity, Wayland, rolling release… Has there been a coup at Ubuntu or something?

Wow, marketing at its best. Rolling release will be something we will work hard for in the next 5 YEARS !!! I think that at that time Wayland might be ready for mass desktop use And unity will pick up the pieces by then. I like to hear when someone have a vision on how things will work out for some of the linux projects after 5 years...

Oh, before that I expect that Mint LMDE atract some of the users Allan spoke of.

No more when will gnome x.xx hit the repos / when it's ready topics

igndenok · 2010-11-24 00:50:45

lifeafter2am wrote:

Allan wrote:
And Arch will get less noobs just coming here for the new stuff!

I agree . After Ubuntu maybe some other distro will follow it, so more noobs stay away with arch

CountDuckula · 2010-11-24 01:37:13

I find this amusing as I vaguely remember Jono Bacon (during LUG Radio days) dissing an email from a user who suggested the way to go was with a rolling release like Gentoo. Bacon just laughed and said that was a joke (or something like that), lets hope he has open respect for the idea now if it's true.

Cosmin · 2010-11-24 07:07:33

CountDuckula wrote:

I find this amusing as I vaguely remember Jono Bacon (during LUG Radio days) dissing an email from a user who suggested the way to go was with a rolling release like Gentoo. Bacon just laughed and said that was a joke (or something like that), lets hope he has open respect for the idea now if it's true.

Now that the joker is Mark no one laughs but everyone gets in line and start/continue working ...

evot · 2010-11-24 08:04:58

If this is really real thing, i must say finally.
Rolling release is way to go.

Of course it might be hard for distro like Ubuntu because they modify some stuff by their own and try to be easy and ready to use for everyone.
I'd like to see how is this going to work.

CountDuckula · 2010-11-24 08:56:13

evot wrote:

If this is really real thing, i must say finally.
Rolling release is way to go.
Of course it might be hard for distro like Ubuntu because they modify some stuff by their own and try to be easy and ready to use for everyone.
I'd like to see how is this going to work.

It'll work like this,

Monday - window buttons on left update
Tuesday - window buttons on right update
Wednesday - pukey purple background update
Thursday - subtle update to Wednesday but nobody notices

etc...

evot · 2010-11-24 09:07:20

CountDuckula wrote:

evot wrote:
If this is really real thing, i must say finally.
Rolling release is way to go.
Of course it might be hard for distro like Ubuntu because they modify some stuff by their own and try to be easy and ready to use for everyone.
I'd like to see how is this going to work.
It'll work like this,
Monday - window buttons on left update
Tuesday - window buttons on right update
Wednesday - pukey purple background update
Thursday - subtle update to Wednesday but nobody notices
etc...

Wouldn't it be nice to have kind of live desktop... never know what's going on..

lolilolicon · 2010-11-24 09:11:02

Or, it might just roll slooowly...

Hide · 2010-11-24 10:32:39

Isn't this exactly the opposite from what they should've done? I heared people complain how Ubuntu's a) not ironed out enough and b) brings nothing new during 6-month cycle. Rolling release is going to make things even worse in these fields.

Teho · 2010-11-24 11:10:18

Hide wrote:

Isn't this exactly the opposite from what they should've done? I heared people complain how Ubuntu's a) not ironed out enough and b) brings nothing new during 6-month cycle. Rolling release is going to make things even worse in these fields.

Rolling relase doesn't have to be as bleeding edge as Arch Linux and little updates are probably easier to handle than the huge ones every six months which often causes breakage. I'm also quite sure that the people who complain about the speed of the developement of the Ubuntu are marginal minority.

I personally see this as the best thing Ubuntu can do. Six month cycle is too fast for the average user and the major relase updates can easily break stuff, using up to date applications probably make developement with upstream easier and this would likely start big movement where linux distros move to rolling relase model (at least the Ubuntu spins and the distors based on it). The LTS relases should obviosly remain which gives good choice for those who don't want their system to change overtime or something.

Fruity · 2010-11-24 14:19:09

Teho wrote:

I'm also quite sure that the people who complain about the speed of the developement of the Ubuntu are marginal minority.

Indeed! Compared to debian with their 'done when it's done' release cycle ubuntu release faster than the time it takes for a hookers panties to drop.

Thing is though, does this bring anything to ubuntu users? Will the end product be any better for rolling releases? I cant see how it would be myself, just more bugs to sqwish as someone mentioned earlier?

And an edit to add, dont really care either!

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eldragon · 2010-11-24 15:15:17

Fruity wrote:

Teho wrote:
I'm also quite sure that the people who complain about the speed of the developement of the Ubuntu are marginal minority.
Indeed! Compared to debian with their 'done when it's done' release cycle ubuntu release faster than the time it takes for a hookers panties to drop.
Thing is though, does this bring anything to ubuntu users? Will the end product be any better for rolling releases? I cant see how it would be myself, just more bugs to sqwish as someone mentioned earlier?
And an edit to add, dont really care either!

updating my gf's ubuntu every 6monthes is a bloodrush moment.

if this comes to be, i will be more in control. and be able to roll updats back if they break stuff.

EDIT: i just skimmed tfa, i couldnt find a link to his blog, and if its not there, i dont trust the source.

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Cyrusm · 2010-11-24 15:55:15

Good for Ubuntu. As arch users I think we can all appreciate the advantages offered by a rolling-release system. Your system is always up-to-date, and if something new causes a breakage, it's much easier to hunt down and fix the problem. I'm glad that Canonical is choosing to shift paradigms a little bit and think outside of the box with their distro. It should be a good move for them imo.

na12 · 2010-11-24 16:36:14

Next thing should be: ubuntu moves from debian to arch.

manmachine · 2010-11-24 16:52:21

Maybe I'm weird but I've never tried Ubuntu despite all the hype in past years..if they really do this right though even i, will be tempted to try it, in a VM at least.

I thought however that the main reason for such sort release circles, with commercial/company backed dists was to maximize sales of actual cds. But i suppose they've thought about that. In any case it's good for users. It's hard to imagine anyone actually liking having to get new isos and upgrade every 6 months

Misfit138 · 2010-11-24 18:57:54

Cyrusm wrote:

Good for Ubuntu. As arch users I think we can all appreciate the advantages offered by a rolling-release system. Your system is always up-to-date, and if something new causes a breakage, it's much easier to hunt down and fix the problem. I'm glad that Canonical is choosing to shift paradigms a little bit and think outside of the box with their distro. It should be a good move for them imo.

I largely agree. If it can be done, it should be done, IMO.

The only viable approach to an operating system is an operating system that rolls.
Discrete 6 month Ubuntu releases are utterly nonsensical and a huge obstacle to its widespread adoption.

Even Windows XP, with all its inherent vulnerabilities, has rolled along nicely on some of my machines-- one of them for almost 10 years now.

Now, if they could just change their name, I think they'd be onto something.

fr33ke · 2010-11-24 19:41:04

"Ubuntu is not changing to a rolling release. We are confident that our customers, partners, and the FLOSS ecosystem are well served by our current release cadence. What the article was probably referring to was the possibility of making it easier for developers to use cutting edge versions of certain software packages on Ubuntu.This is a wide-ranging project that we will continue to pursue through our normal planning processes." --Rick Spencer, Director of Ubuntu Engineering, 2010-11-24

toad · 2010-11-24 21:21:03

na12 wrote:

Next thing should be: ubuntu moves from debian to arch.

I think that would make Allan's day

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